Harmor
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+605|6964|San Diego, CA, USA
I've been looking at this latest bailout bill that congress is trying to pass and its sinks.  Only a few things in it are really stimulus while the others are just a mash-up of pet projects.

And making government bigger is not a stimulus to me because when the government spends 1 dollar they really only get like $0.50 out of it because of all the waste and cushy jobs along the way.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6862|Chicago, IL
50% turn around is being very generous

honestly, this situation has to fix itself, people did retarded things with their money, and now they're paying the price.  Detroit auto makers made incredibly poor business decisions, and they failed.  Unions demanded too much money, and now they're unemployed.  People took out loans they couldn't afford and now they're homeless.

My income and spending habits have been completely unaffected by the "crisis," a little responsibility goes a long way.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6821|North Carolina
Let the market clear itself.  That's about all you can do.
Diesel_dyk
Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears
+178|6410|Truthistan
there is a lot of talk about making a bad bank, owned by the government, to buy up the bad assets and act as a toilet for the system. I think that's is a lot of bunk. and giving banks any money is a lot of BS too.

To get the economy going the government should take the money it wants to give to banks and make one good bank owned by the government. The billions of dollars it threw out the window already would have made for a nice deposit from which to lend. The fraction reserve system would have amplified the amount of money in the system. As for the banks like citibank and the others, they should be left to survive on their own. Create one good bank, and let others fail and the market will clear itself... after all why should ewe let these ban ks with their failed policies drag every one else down, they are the ones who caused the problems in the first place let them fail and make them compete against a governemnt run good bank.

After the economy recovers, the government could spin off the good bank with an IPO and make a bundle.

On the stimulus package,
1. mega infrastructure like nuclear plants and mass transit in every sizable city, and modernize the power grid
2. give the money to the poor, they will spend it for sure, for every $1 going to poor, we get back $1.70 on the mulitplier. If it goes to ritchie rich tax breaks we only get back $1.30.
3. burn every supply side economic text book in the country, ban its teaching in every school and university... supply side economics = supply control = price fixing = broken markets = bubble creation = massive economic distruption
LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6795|MN

Diesel_dyk wrote:

there is a lot of talk about making a bad bank, owned by the government, to buy up the bad assets and act as a toilet for the system. I think that's is a lot of bunk. and giving banks any money is a lot of BS too.

To get the economy going the government should take the money it wants to give to banks and make one good bank owned by the government. The billions of dollars it threw out the window already would have made for a nice deposit from which to lend. The fraction reserve system would have amplified the amount of money in the system. As for the banks like citibank and the others, they should be left to survive on their own. Create one good bank, and let others fail and the market will clear itself... after all why should ewe let these ban ks with their failed policies drag every one else down, they are the ones who caused the problems in the first place let them fail and make them compete against a governemnt run good bank.

After the economy recovers, the government could spin off the good bank with an IPO and make a bundle.

On the stimulus package,
1. mega infrastructure like nuclear plants and mass transit in every sizable city, and modernize the power grid
2. give the money to the poor, they will spend it for sure, for every $1 going to poor, we get back $1.70 on the mulitplier. If it goes to ritchie rich tax breaks we only get back $1.30.
3. burn every supply side economic text book in the country, ban its teaching in every school and university... supply side economics = supply control = price fixing = broken markets = bubble creation = massive economic distruption
I guess wwe stand on different sides:

I think the government can do a lot to help stimulate the economy.  The first would be let'er go.  Stop trying to fix it.  It has to find it's bottom.

Next, all these spending programs are not a good idea.  They are a temporary fix at best.  There is no long term growth.  What happens when the lawn at the white house gets done (just one simple example of many)?  Where do the workers go?  I know, we put more lawns in with tax money.  See the cycle?

True economic growth comes from businesses of all sizes doing well.  How do you stimulate growth in business?  2 options:  Lower taxes or give people money to spend on buying things.  I am not a believer in giving money to people to spend on things.  I feel the best way is for government to shrink it's spending and take the hit on revenue by lowering taxes.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7067|USA
Don't ya know? The only way to stimulate the economy is transfer the wealth from those that earned it to those that don't. Wealth redistribution is our savior, because we all know the poor knows how best to spend someone elses money.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6522|eXtreme to the maX
Put in place something to ensure businesses are run for long term shareholder benefit, not short term executive bonuses - should bring some stability and strategic thinking to corporate America.

eg Tax bonus pay/stock options on a sliding scale depending on when it vests - you want it in a year fine, you pay 90% tax, 2 years 80% and so on. No bonuses payable if your company failed to break even on average in the interim.
If your company went bust in the meantime hard luck - should have gone for a sensible long term strategy instead of short term greed.
No bonuses payabe AT ALL if your company took bailout money.

Do something similar for share trading, commodity futures to cut out the day traders, short sellers, speculators manipulating the market etc.
Flipping shares 20 times a day? 5% tax per transaction ought to slow you down a bit.
No tax payable if you keep the stock a month.
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