Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6592

JUST KIDDING! But a friend of mine wanted a new computer. I told him I can put a nice one together for him and he said, "Nah, I think I'm just gonna buy a dell." That's like saying, "Nah, don't worry I'm just gonna kill myself."

ANYWAY. I put together a comparison from newegg for him. ALL the same components that come in that particular XPS model (besides the fancy red case) at a cost about $1200 LESS then the XPS. Granted, they didn't say what brand of memory used, or what brand HDD, but I just went with a Western Digital the same size, and some OCZ memory same speed etc etc. Also, I don't know what kind of cooling system Dell is boasting about, but I'm sure an aftermarket CPU cooler would suffice.

XPS 730x

My competitor:
https://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1545/newegglist1tv4.jpg
https://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5792/newegglist3cv4.jpg

Is there something I'm missing here? Or is there really that much of a difference? I guess, you pay for the tech support and warranty shit, but seriously, everything you buy new has factory warranties anyway.

So, how's it look?

If the price difference doesn't persuade him....
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|6980
if he has the money.. and wants the dell... oh well...
you did your part to try and save him money and build an even better computer by a mile...
He does get a warranty from Dell and the comp is put together... but i would always build my own...
Love is the answer
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6576

A $1000 CPU but only a 9800GTX+ video card?

The i7 920 is probably more than enough along with a GTX285 or 295.
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6592

ebug9 wrote:

A $1000 CPU but only a 9800GTX+ video card?

The i7 920 is probably more than enough along with a GTX285 or 295.
i know right? Well that i7 is the one that comes with the XPS, whats even more funny, they included a 9800GT, i know the new nvidia cards are much better, but I chose a 9800GTX for the similar comparison.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
bugz
Fission Mailed
+3,311|6576

I'm trying to persuade someone to stay clear of Alienware at the moment. ($1699 base price for the machine he wants)
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6865|132 and Bush

Your friend doesn't trust you to be his support.

ebug, Alienware blows. I actually learned a long time ago.. the hard way (before I built). If he is dead set on buying manufactured at least get him away from that pile of .
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Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6592

Kmarion wrote:

Your friend doesn't trust you to be his support.
I know. Prevention is the best medicine so to speak. If I built a computer for him, I would install all the best freeware anti-virus, malware, spyware etc etc.

As long as you have a data backup, there isn't much to worry about really.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
TopHat01
Limitless
+117|6168|CA
Dell isn't THAT bad, it's just you can save a lot of money building yourself.  What us techies sometimes forget is that people don't want to build their own PC, be their own tech support, they'd rather pay more money, but have it already done, and have their warranty in case anything breaks.

I tried to persuade my friend into building a computer, but eventually he told he couldn't give a flying fuck if he got 10 more FPS with this GFX card, or saved X amount of dollars by building, he just wanted a computer that could play WoW and BF2, so he bought an HP.  Isn't much you can do beyond that...
Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6592

TopHat01 wrote:

Isn't much you can do beyond that...
Torture.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6865|132 and Bush

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Your friend doesn't trust you to be his support.
I know. Prevention is the best medicine so to speak. If I built a computer for him, I would install all the best freeware anti-virus, malware, spyware etc etc.

As long as you have a data backup, there isn't much to worry about really.
Oh I agree. And tbh a friend is almost always the most responsive when it come to support.

A note about antivirus.. I had been using avg for years now and went back to Nod32 (made company buy it ). Nod 32 is so much faster in it's scans. That is all..lol
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Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6413|'straya
Can anyone say CPU overkill... meh convince him to let u build it. get yourself $50 (or up to $200 if ur a cunt ) out of it with the promise that u will help him if he has any issues.
Benzin
Member
+576|6262
Shit, get the boy a better video card at the very least. If he is willing to spend THAT MUCH on a retail machine, just think what he could build if he built his own. He'd have an absolute monster.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7036|PNW

Im_Dooomed wrote:

JUST KIDDING! But a friend of mine wanted a new computer. I told him I can put a nice one together for him and he said, "Nah, I think I'm just gonna buy a dell." That's like saying, "Nah, don't worry I'm just gonna kill myself."

If the price difference doesn't persuade him....
After so many times of doing it for myself and others, I can understand not wanting to build a computer. If everything doesn't go perfectly, it can turn into an extremely time-consuming task, especially if you have to wait on parts RMA.

If he's going to pay a grand extra rather than build it himself, he should probably go with a boutique store like Digital Storm. They have the tools, training, supplies and customer support, whereas your 'mom's friend's 9-year-old son' has pure luck. They dedicate more time into building and testing and you get all software discs, including the OS. Here's a similarly-priced configuration (to Dell) with more features. Seriously, an Extreme CPU and a 9800? I guess Dell's planning on selling upgrades.

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/compl … ?id=247413
Some parts I'd get separately, like a Blu-Ray drive and a 1TB 32MB cache enterprise-class storage drive.

Disclaimer: I'm not trying to sell; it's just an alternative.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-02-14 02:56:06)

Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6592

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Can anyone say CPU overkill... meh convince him to let u build it. get yourself $50 (or up to $200 if ur a cunt ) out of it with the promise that u will help him if he has any issues.
to be honest, i was gonna tell him id do it for free. Just because I need practice and dont feel right charging him, especially if i run into problems. It's better to say, "Hay, im doin this for free, don't expect it all to go perfectly! Don't worry, ill fix it..."

rather then, "Hey, well i did charge u $100, there are problems, whats that? No, no...I know what i'm doin. Thats why ur paying me of course!!>....."


if he wont let me build it, then i'll def mention to him another website like digitalstorm.
Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6413|'straya
it looks like smooth creations make some pretty cool stuff but their probably overpriced too.
they have the base system (motherboard, psu, case etc) and let u choose ur own video cards, processor, ram and hdd ... it looks like a decent option if ur going prebuilt

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2009-02-14 23:52:00)

Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7107|Reykjavík, Iceland.

TopHat01 wrote:

Dell isn't THAT bad, it's just you can save a lot of money building yourself.  What us techies sometimes forget is that people don't want to build their own PC, be their own tech support, they'd rather pay more money, but have it already done, and have their warranty in case anything breaks.

I tried to persuade my friend into building a computer, but eventually he told he couldn't give a flying fuck if he got 10 more FPS with this GFX card, or saved X amount of dollars by building, he just wanted a computer that could play WoW and BF2, so he bought an HP.  Isn't much you can do beyond that...
Wait, so people want to skip the fun part and go straight to using the PC?

The hell?
Obiwan
Go Cards !!
+196|6958|The Ville

Im_Dooomed wrote:

JUST KIDDING! But a friend of mine wanted a new computer. I told him I can put a nice one together for him and he said, "Nah, I think I'm just gonna buy a dell." That's like saying, "Nah, don't worry I'm just gonna kill myself."

ANYWAY. I put together a comparison from newegg for him. ALL the same components that come in that particular XPS model (besides the fancy red case) at a cost about $1200 LESS then the XPS. Granted, they didn't say what brand of memory used, or what brand HDD, but I just went with a Western Digital the same size, and some OCZ memory same speed etc etc. Also, I don't know what kind of cooling system Dell is boasting about, but I'm sure an aftermarket CPU cooler would suffice.

XPS 730x

My competitor:
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1545 … st1tv4.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5792 … st3cv4.jpg

Is there something I'm missing here? Or is there really that much of a difference? I guess, you pay for the tech support and warranty shit, but seriously, everything you buy new has factory warranties anyway.

So, how's it look?

If the price difference doesn't persuade him....
Only thing I see that is missing is a monitor. He probably has one. I only pointed that out cause you had a mouse and keyboard picked out for him.

I'm not sure on the parts though because I don't know anything about Dell Xps's even though there overpriced and your just paying for the name.

Last edited by Obiwan (2009-02-15 00:46:00)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|7036|PNW

TopHat01 wrote:

What us techies sometimes forget is that people don't want to build their own PC, be their own tech support, they'd rather pay more money, but have it already done, and have their warranty in case anything breaks.
^this

People can forget that having to run multiple RMA's through various manufacturers if something goes wrong past the distributor's warranty, or even shipping back and forth to Newegg in case you didn't make a 100% roll on your shipped parts can cost tons of time that you aren't getting back. Ever.

It really depends on how much free time you have and how you value each hour. There's so many contracts, shop maintenance/construction and machine maintenance I have to do at work that the thought of spending more time than necessary searching the internet for a BIOS version that'll let me run a particular component is painful. I love tech, but I'm half-willing to let another company build my next computer than waste my own time on it if it didn't run smoothly. $500 more? $1000 more? What's that when way more than that is spent on construction equipment, paint, crack filler, lumber and saw blades?

If you choose the right company, you get it, it works and it's warrantied. Sometimes it even has cheap sponsored upgrades down the road.
ElementalDragon
Member
+6|5834
Yea.... if you buy pre-built... you're basically paying for labor to put it together (which i'm fairly certain it's 90% together right off the bat anyway... just waiting to put the other optional parts in), the exclusive case, and the brand name.  The last brand-name computer i bought was a Sony Vaio.... which had an Intel Celeron in it.  Not EXTREMELY bad for several years ago.... but it also had a crappy 5400 RPM hard drive in it, as well as one of the two optical drives not always being detected if i just restarted the computer.  usually would have to shut down and turn back on.  My current computer has just kinda been a constant upgrade from that basic PoS.

Like it's been said.... if he's dead set on buying a Dell with a seriously overpriced CPU and seriously underpowered 9800GTX+ to go with it.... don't think you'll be able to change his mind.  Would be good for both of you if he did change his mind, and you could probably save him nearly $2,000 if you convinced him to drop the crappy i7 965 for an i7 920 or 940..... but some people are just... well.... stubborn.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6865|132 and Bush

Each support call can cost a company $20 each. Some companies are already making less than $50 on there laptops. A GOOD portion of the cost is in support. Part of the reason that Apple is so much higher ( for comparable components) is that they don't outsource their support.
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Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6711|Boulder, CO

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Can anyone say CPU overkill... meh convince him to let u build it. get yourself $50 (or up to $200 if ur a cunt ) out of it with the promise that u will help him if he has any issues.
to be honest, i was gonna tell him id do it for free. Just because I need practice and dont feel right charging him, especially if i run into problems. It's better to say, "Hay, im doin this for free, don't expect it all to go perfectly! Don't worry, ill fix it..."

rather then, "Hey, well i did charge u $100, there are problems, whats that? No, no...I know what i'm doin. Thats why ur paying me of course!!>....."


if he wont let me build it, then i'll def mention to him another website like digitalstorm.
I just say, "Right, if you want me to I'll build it for you. The cost will be...pizza !"
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6413|'straya
I'd build computer for friends just for the fun of finding all the parts on the net and putting it together.

(that sounds so nerdy haha)

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