SATA Drives...........

2009-02-18 18:41:01

#1

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

I got three sata drives, one for my Dad's computer, and two for me. I put one in my computer and I'm about to partition it, but its only 610Gb, when it was an advertised 640Gb. I know it's common that the file sizes are different. What I want to know though is this: Wasn't there a program out there that can be used to access that other space so I can utilize it?

And secondly, I installed the sata drive on my Dads computer as the primary drive, and I'm using a data recovery disk I made to format it with windows. And I get this:

https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/2365/mvc035fby8.jpg

So, is it fuked? Or, am I doing something wrong? Maybe the recovery disk I made failed? Should I try using a genuine XP disk, or should I set up the sata drive as a secondary drive, boot into windows with his primary HDD, and use windows disk management to try and partition the sata?

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2009-02-18 18:45:36

#2

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6980

the 610 as opposed to 640 is because of how they count...
"Yes, that is correct. For whatever reason hard drive makers calculate the size of drives with 1000 byte kilobytes. The computer and OS calculate the size of a drive using 1024 byte kilobytes. There have been a couple lawsuits over this practice and as drives get larger the size difference between the two values gets ever larger."
http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic. … mp;t=59469

and you have an OS on another drive(C root) on your Dad's comp already and you added this 640gb drive?

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2009-02-18 18:50:59

#3

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6461|Winland

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
the 610 as opposed to 640 is because of how they count...
"Yes, that is correct. For whatever reason hard drive makers calculate the size of drives with 1000 byte kilobytes. The computer and OS calculate the size of a drive using 1024 byte kilobytes. There have been a couple lawsuits over this practice and as drives get larger the size difference between the two values gets ever larger."
http://techreport.com/forums/viewtopic. … mp;t=59469

and you have an OS on another drive(C root) on your Dad's comp already and you added this 640gb drive?

This. So that they can advertise them bigger.

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2009-02-18 18:52:29

#4

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
and you have an OS on another drive(C root) on your Dad's comp already and you added this 640gb drive?

No, I removed the drive that had XP on it, and put in the sata drive (It's an SE16 320gig) I then attempted to use the data recovery disk to format it with windows (When I made the data recovery disk, it installs a quick copy of windows xp on it.) so basically I can use it to format the drive, and restore his data.

But, it doesn't seem to format.

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2009-02-18 18:57:05

#5

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6831|NYC / Hamburg

Windows counts in gibibytes (2³⁰ bytes) but refers to them as gigabytes (10⁹ bytes) while HDDs are counted in gigabytes

You can use testdisk to just nuke the entire partition table / MTF

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2009-02-18 19:24:06

#6

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6980

Im_Dooomed wrote:
[TUF]Catbox wrote:
and you have an OS on another drive(C root) on your Dad's comp already and you added this 640gb drive?
No, I removed the drive that had XP on it, and put in the sata drive (It's an SE16 320gig) I then attempted to use the data recovery disk to format it with windows (When I made the data recovery disk, it installs a quick copy of windows xp on it.) so basically I can use it to format the drive, and restore his data.

But, it doesn't seem to format.

can you attach the 640gb as a secondary drive to your 320gb drive that already has an OS on it...
then turn your comp on and when the 320 boots... click on the 640gb secondary drive and format it... Then you can shut off the comp... remove the 320gb and keep the 640gb plugged in...
restart the computer with only the 640gb attached and then add your XP recovery image to it....?

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2009-02-18 19:51:25

#7

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
can you attach the 640gb as a secondary drive to your 320gb drive that already has an OS on it...
then turn your comp on and when the 320 boots... click on the 640gb secondary drive and format it... Then you can shut off the comp... remove the 320gb and keep the 640gb plugged in...
restart the computer with only the 640gb attached and then add your XP recovery image to it....?

Well, I attached his IDE drive with windows back on, checked the cd-key, and I think I used the wrong cd-key when Dantz retrospect asked for it when creating the recovery disk

So, i remove the OS drive i put in a retail copy of xp, it went through its setup shit, then when it got to the screen showing the HDD's there was nothing there? (Even though the sata drive was plugged in...) I pressed a button, and a second later i get this:

https://img527.imageshack.us/img527/8227/mvc036fxi2.jpg

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-

Final plan: Put back in his HDD with an OS on it, try and format the sata drive with windows disk management... If it doesn't work, RMA to newegg?

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2009-02-18 20:03:16

#8

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

Im_Dooomed wrote:
Final plan: Put back in his HDD with an OS on it, try and format the sata drive with windows disk management...

This didn't work either. After it detects IDE/SATA drives on startup, and after the boot to cd: message, I get this: DISK BOOT FAILURE. INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND TRY AGAIN.

I have the sata drive hooked up to sata0 and the IDE drive setup on primary IDE/ Master. So I think I have it in the correct boot order, I guess last thing to do is try a different sata drive...

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2009-02-18 20:08:38

#9

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6980

can you check the boot order in the bios settings when you first start the comp... hitting F8 or F2... or whatever key is used for your moboard?
and try the 320gb os and see if it works by itself... then try to format the 640gb drive as a secondary drive on another computer...

Love is the answer

2009-02-18 20:21:54

#10

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
can you check the boot order in the bios settings when you first start the comp... hitting F8 or F2... or whatever key is used for your moboard?
and try the 320gb os and see if it works by itself... then try to format the 640gb drive as a secondary drive on another computer...

Ahh, i got the boot priority setup so its the IDE drive with XP on it first, then the 320 gig unformatted drive. Still didn't work. It got all the way to the Windows XP load screen, then it flashes, and reboots itself, then I get the message "Windows did not start correctly....Please choose an option below...Safe mode, last know good cofig..."

But, it will boot up fine when I DONT have the sata drive connected. I really think its f'd up...

Next, ill try formatting it in my computer...

Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.

2009-02-18 20:41:24

#11

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6980

did the new drive come with a manufacturers cd to format the drive? I just installed a 500gb Seagate sata drive and it has acronis drive tools on it... very cool and easy...

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2009-02-18 20:45:27

#12

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

[TUF]Catbox wrote:
did the new drive come with a manufacturers cd to format the drive? I just installed a 500gb Seagate sata drive and it has acronis drive tools on it... very cool and easy...

no i bought it oem from neweeg. I checked the retail version, and it comes with standard WD disc with Retrospect and shit, i think...

Anyway, i put in my other 640gig in his computer, booted up fine, showed the disk in disk management, could format it...So ya, I'm pretty confident the 320gig is f'd up.

I do have Acronis Disk Manager, also other things like Ultimate Boot CD, might be able to find a program on there that can fix it/diagnosis it...

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2009-02-18 20:52:28

#13

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6980

that's cool... you can probably d/l the WD hard drive software
http://support.wdc.com/product/download … mp;lang=en

and maybe if you have an XP disc you can repair the 320gb drive?

aren't computers fun...lol?

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2009-02-19 00:56:58

#14

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

Well, I got both WD Black drives in my computer, I setup XP Pro, seemed to be fine. I installed my Nvidia MOBO drivers. The disc included NVMediaShield which is a RAID controller...

After that installed, I enabled the RAID function in my BIOS, set SATA 1 master and slave, then hit F10 to enter raid configuration utility, for raid0, raid1 etc...I didn't want it set up in any kind of configuration so I just canceled it. Tried to reboot...Didn't recognize my drives, so it just hung after verifying DMI pool data...

So, I went in and disabled the raid function, then it recognized the sata drives on IDE channels 2,3. After it ran dmi pool data, it said windows could not load, because of a missing file. hal.dll.

So, i'm reformatting it now

Sooooo, should I use windows XP raid controller? Or should I use NVMediaShield? It seems like, if I mess with these features at all/enable them in BIOS, I cant get it to boot. I checked the boot priority, and it was set up the HDD that i installed XP on...

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2009-02-19 01:39:46

#15

CrazeD: Member; +368|6937|Maine

Why are you installing RAID if you aren't using it?

2009-02-19 02:07:25

#16

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

CrazeD wrote:
Why are you installing RAID if you aren't using it?

I DONT KNOW!!!!!!! :*(

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2009-02-19 02:13:26

#17

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

it came installed with the nvidia drivers, in BIOS i enabled just to see what that NVMediaShield was all about then i ran into issues...

I guess I can't set my HDD up in RAID 0 after I format a drive? I gotta set em up in raid0 first, then install XP?

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2009-02-19 02:34:56

#18

JoshP: Banned; +176|5953|Notts, UK

sounds like a quirky mobo, i have similar problems with combinations of drives being inserted

2009-02-19 08:43:29

#19

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6678|Finland

I are confused of your current situation. So the 320GB drive is not recognized by Windows installed or BIOS or what?

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-02-19 08:44:56)

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2009-02-19 09:00:19

#20

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
I are confused of your current situation. So the 320GB drive is not recognized by Windows installed or BIOS or what?

I haven't dicked around with it since yesterday. I can't remember if BIOS recognized it or not. I already took it out of his computer, sent newegg an RMA request...

I'll hook it up in my computer and see if it recognizes it in BIOS, give me a few minutes...

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2009-02-19 09:11:12

#21

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

Yaaa. It recognizes it in BIOS, but when it starts to boot into windows...Well,

"We're sorry for the inconvenience. But Windows did not start correctly..."

So, it's screwy. I'll try running Acronis Disk Director, or Hirens Boot CD, maybe try a different utility and repair it?

Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.

2009-02-19 09:13:08

#22

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6678|Finland

Im_Dooomed wrote:
Yaaa. It recognizes it in BIOS, but when it starts to boot into windows...Well,

"We're sorry for the inconvenience. But Windows did not start correctly..."

So, it's screwy. I'll try running Acronis Disk Director, or Hirens Boot CD, maybe try a different utility and repair it?

u could try that... just clean the bitch one more time, format it and if it still goes FUUUUUUUUU send it to newegg RMA guys to look at.

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2009-02-19 09:26:46

#23

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

what do u mean clean? I never was able to format it at all. This is what Acronis is showing:

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5650/dscf0025gu6.jpg

Then, the next screen shows this

https://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7574/dscf0024in8.jpg

So, it see's the 300 gigs, but then it shows two partitions on that drive both 0 bytes? Should I select both and try to set it up?

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2009-02-19 09:35:46)

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2009-02-19 09:35:07

#24

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6678|Finland

well now that is interesting... you should see arround 300 gigs of unpartitioned space lol. Can you delete those two 0 byte partitions?

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2009-02-19 09:36:08

#25

Mr.Dooomed: Find your center.; +752|6592

Interesting indeed...

Ok, I partitioned it and get this:

https://img55.imageshack.us/img55/5421/dscf0025tp0.jpg

Now, lets hope it'll boot into windows...

NOPE. Get BSOD, restart...*SIGH*

That format didn't seem to work. Time to run Hirens Boot CD...

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2009-02-19 09:39:04)

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