BF2S Forums Anti-Drug Effort at Border Is Readied

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Macbeth - You're critiquing me for pointing out someone elses words and judging them when you are doing exactly that of me? Awesome.

Wait so I was just making a general statement about teenagers. So you are admitting that you are a teenager who hasn't done anything for his country?

xBlackPantherx wrote:

...You're critiquing me...

The word is 'criticising'.

rdx-fx wrote:

And does Mr. Obama have a coherent plan for when the rounds start flying across the border?

We shoot back this time?

Under Clinton, we got to build a border fence for a couple miles through Naco and Nogales.
(Yes, we, as in I was one of the surveyors that put those two fences in, thanks)

Not alot of clear policy for what we were supposed to do when we got people shooting at us from the other side of the border.
Ended up being typical Clinton policy:  get shot at, don't shoot back.  Don't do anything to attract a CNN newscrew, for gods sake.. I'm busy getting blowjobs and would rather not have to go give a press conference

I'm guessing Mr. Obama is going to be similar.
Pretty plan, good speech, devoid of critical operational details necessary for success.


I hope it works, but I'm not enthusiastic with the lack of real planning being shown.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

You're very against Obama aren't you?

Yes. He's dangerously naive, less politically experienced than even Bush Jr., and is already pushing many anti 2nd amendment bills on the down-low (in the original definition of downlow).

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Criticizing every  thing he does that you don't like even though he's already done more about critical situations in 2 months than Bush did?

I'm not a Bush neocon either.  I'm Pro-science, Atheist, anti-big-government, pro constitution.  Neither the Obama liberals nor the Bush Neocons are small-government constitutionalists.

And, though Obama may have good intentions - he's less experienced than even Bush Jr.
If you thought the Bush Jr Presidency was a colossal fuckup - watch what someone with even less experience can do...

xBlackPantherx wrote:

You say impeach Obama yet you say you're "American"?

Yes, I'm very much American.
This grossly negligent spending spree we're on is going to do a great deal of damage to my country.
My daughters are going to be paying for this gross negligence, and I'm not happy about it at all.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

F*** off. Seriously.

You first, sweetheart.

(Edit: He's a fan of the Black Panther animal, not the racist terrorist group)

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Stop sitting on your couch criticizing other people.

Why?
I've done my time in the military (8 years), I pay my taxes, I have my own (small) business, I consult for a couple other small businesses, I'm a husband and father.  And, after all that is covered, I still manage to have a little time to argue with clowns like you.
Should i be doing more?
Please, tell me how much more you're doing.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Actually, since you seem to know so much, how about you go get your own small personal military and solve the border/drug problem yourself? You can't? What a shame. Aren't even gonna try? I guess your not 'American' then and are criminalized now.

How about rereading what I'd written before.
You even quoted it.
"Under Clinton, we got to build a border fence for a couple miles through Naco and Nogales.
(Yes, we, as in I was one of the surveyors that put those two fences in, thanks)"
I was one of the 4 Army Surveyors for the border projects in Naco & Nogales.
I did do something directly relating to border security.
How about you?

xBlackPantherx wrote:

Of course there's always a doubtful side to things. You can't control every event that happens. The point is that he is actually trying to change things instead of what Bush did and what people like you do; which is nothing. You have an exponentially better life than 80% of the world that lives on <$10 a day.

I've done nothing eh?
See above.
I've helped put in border fences & walls to divert illegal traffic around population centers, had interesting encounters with drug runners crossing said border at night while guarding our equipment.

I was also in Operation Provide Comfort II, keeping Saddam from committing further genocide against his Kurdish citizens.. and almost got my happy ass killed off a number of times there.

I've been to a handful of other shitholes too, trying to help some of those less fortunate people..
really fun when you've got children throwing rocks at you, trying to get you to move away from the generators providing power for clean water, medical services, and lighting - so they can scavenge the metal from the generator to sell for scrap.
Been there too.

Been in the Iraqi desert, helping mark dead iraqi tanks with orange paint.  Making sure they weren't a chemical or radiological hazard to whatever random nomads happened across them.

Those poor, unfortunate, abused masses of people?
They're not a CNN special to me.  I've been around them.  I've been in a position to try to help, and have done so within the limits of what time and equipment we've had on hand.

Now.
What the hell have you done?

xBlackPantherx wrote:

I, for one, am happy he is at least trying to help solve this problem a bit by cracking down.

As I'd stated originally;
Great that he wants to do something.
Sucks that he seems like he's more interested in giving lip-service and the shallow appearance of a plan, while completely lacking in a properly well thought out plan.
I've been front row, center stage to a fair number of great idea, great press conference - poor planning, poor equipment, no clear rules of engagement scenarios under President Clinton.  I am really not eager to see the next generation of soldiers suffer through that same bullshit.

Obama is good at ideas, has good intentions - but he is trying to do too much, spending too freely, and not developing plans that will work.
He is surrounded by people that are long on agendas and untested ideas - yet short on practical experience, patience, wisdom, and detailed planning.

He is spending the money now on half-assed plans..  the same money that later generations would've needed for their own situations.
He is ruining our economic viability on half-formed wishful thinking plans.
I would feel a little bit better if people with the experience and intelligence of Kissinger or Greenspan were at least being consulted for their perspectives.  NOT that borderline psychotic Rahm Emanuel, Obama's chief advisor

Rahm Emanuel
""Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead! ... Dead! ... Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name."

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-03-24 23:04:02)

600 + miles of border fence completed under Bush isn't exactly "doing nothing" 

But why am I not surprised at the spouting off with no basis in facts ..

I bet half of you would have bitched about this when Bush did it, but if Obama did similar, you'd be saying GJ "at least he's doing something"

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

xBlackPantherx wrote:

...You're critiquing me...

The word is 'criticising'.

No. I'm pretty sure I meant critiquing...it is a word in case you didn't know, and happens to be a synonym of criticizing (which, btw, you spelt wrong; ironically) anyways.

–noun
1.     an article or essay criticizing a literary or other work; detailed evaluation; review.
2.     a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.
3.     the art or practice of criticism.

xBlackPantherx wrote:

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and happens to be a synonym of criticizing (which, btw, you spelt wrong; ironically) anyways.

Only spelt wrong in your part of the world..
Everywhere else it criticising.

A big ol' concrete wall? Are you kidding me? The reason it works for Israel is because Israel is small and can actually police the wall.. Also other then bombings, there is really no reason anyone wants to get in. We're talking about a country that is lax on it's illegal immigrant, so people try to jump the border for a better living.. Also we're talking about a MULTI Billion dollar drug ring, I'm pretty sure a concrete wall isn't going to stop them.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

We pay most of our fed taxes for "national security and defense", and we don't even protect our borders?

I wonder how many people get robbed or murdered by Illegal Immigrants ever year?

Research ftw.

During FY 2008, the U.S. government spent nearly $800 billion on defense and homeland security, approximately 30% of tax receipts.

30% =/= "most of our fed taxes"

Last edited by FEOS (2009-03-25 21:32:42)

Old Hilary is on the job...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/ … 1839.shtml
"But Mexico says it will never allow U.S. troops to operate on their soil and the possibility the U.S. could deploy National Guard troops to the border is causing concern." 
"Criminals are outgunning law enforcement officials, Clinton said, referring to guns and military-style equipment like night vision goggles and body armor that the cartels are smuggling into Mexico from the United States. "

I really hope Hilary and co... are serious and protect the border... and if Mexico doesn't want any US Military in their country... thats fine...
Lets build the wall and seal the border and they can shoot and kill each other in peace...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/ … 1839.shtml

what is weed listed as on the DOW...lol?    buy today...