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Poll

Attacking uncappable bases: tick all that you find acceptable.

Lone spec-ops destruction of enemy assets.18%18% - 260
Spec-ops accompanied by soldier (e.g. support).16%16% - 226
Jet and chopper strikes on enemy commander assets.13%13% - 188
Jet /chopper strikes on soldiers in uncappable bases.9%9% - 129
Artillery on vehicles and soldiers in uncappable bases.10%10% - 151
Snipers attacking soldiers inside uncappable bases.11%11% - 161
Whole squads attacking enemy uncappable bases.9%9% - 132
Vehicles attacking enemy uncappable bases.8%8% - 119
None of the above, unless one team has no uncap bases.1%1% - 15
None of the above, regardless of map design.0%0% - 11
Total: 1392
2006-03-24 05:52:38
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|7151|Howell, Mi USA
If people start making up in game rules like no base rape and all that other crap.

Bf2 will be a pussy's game in no time. I can see it already, we'll get banned from servers for driving vehicles, and EA will whipe stats for anyone who kills another soldier.

Maybe EA/DICE should take weapons out of the game. After that we can run around and bitch slap eachother.
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2006-03-24 12:03:04
Cpl.Jordan
Member
+3|7152
What I always find funny when I'm attacking an uncappable base is how many people keep spawning over and over, even when they have other options.

Like, for example, on Karkand, where almost everybody repeatedly spawns at the right-front uncappable, as I repeatedly circle the building killing them, or use a tank, etc. With a buddy one time, we must have killed at least 30 people before one of them finally managed to kill us. And they still never spawned on the left hill.
2006-03-24 12:28:13
Babo0n8
Member
+0|7299
only thing i dont care for is when jets or choppers raid the carriers
2006-03-24 14:21:09
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|7103|Peoria
Lone spec-ops destruction of enemy assets.   

Hell, that better be acceptable. You can't ban the destruction of commander assests, thats a part of the game, and to allow them to do that, you gotta let them into the uncaps.


Spec-ops accompanied by soldier (e.g. support)

I would basically define this as a Baserape/Non-Baserape
For example, if the squad goes to a uncappable to steal vehicles and blow up assets and keep assests down, then I wouldn't classify it as baserape. However, if they started spawn-killing and whoring the stolen vehicles at the base, then it changes over to baserape.


Jet and chopper strikes on enemy commander assets

You can do that? Game on. I don't see why not.


Jet /chopper strikes on soldiers in uncappable bases

Only if its a vehicle of some sort. IE Sure, if a harrier is taking off from the Essex or someone is in the essex shooting at you, you should go for it, since they have the capacity to kill you. However, mere troops standing around is pretty cheap.

Artillery on vehicles and soldiers in uncappable bases

No. Not fair, at any time. I know some say war is hell. Guess what dipshit, this isn't real war. And even real war has rules.

Snipers attacking soldiers inside uncappable bases

Um, only if the sniper isn't IN, the uncap. IE, if a sniper were to use the Vodnick strategy to get ontop of the roofs at the hotel at karkand and sniper guys at the righthand US Spawn, then there's really no problem. However, if a sniper runs up the hill to the right of the US spawn and starts shooting there, i would consider that IN the ucap, and thus, not fair.

Whole squads attacking enemy uncappable bases

Only if there are no other bases to assault, and only if they don't baserape the spawn points. I would still abide by the rules of not actually entering into the uncap.


Vehicles attacking enemy uncappable bases

Same as directly above, They need to keep a fair distance.


Everything here is very situation. Some stuff is acceptable all the time, other stuff is only slightly acceptable, a few times.
2006-03-24 17:51:51
BlueScreen
I am the pwnage! Bitches!
+5|7196|Finland
It's all acceptable. If team get them to situation where enemy is raping them to base they really deserve it. Mostly this kinda rape situation come when half team is camping some vehicles on carrier and they really deserve to get raped.
2006-03-24 17:55:39
dubbs
Member
+105|7089|Lexington, KY
I like the rule that you can attack an uncap base if all of the other flags are yours.  My clans server rules state that if there are no other tactical attack points, you can the attak the uncappable base.  This changes once another flag has been capped.
2006-03-24 18:08:19
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,075|7228|PNW

The way you worded the poll, I had to check every kind of attack.

Here's what I deem reasonable attacks on UC's while there are cappable flags available.

1. Assault against commander assets, by any means, regardless of map position.
a. Ensuring, by any means, that these assets cannot be repaired.

2. Attacking vehicles fleeing into uncappable zones for repairs/armor.

3. Attacking vehicles or soldiers within reasonable distance of UC's.

4. Suppressing any and all potential airborne threats against yourself and your troops, even if they are still on the ground, unused. (sorry, shoulda already been up there, flyboys. better get to your stingers)

5. Theft of enemy vehicles of any sort. I'm sorry, nobody's ever seen James Bond before?

6. Repeated tracking and slaughter of the enemy commander, freeing your commander's arty strikes for more juicy sectors.

7. Counterstrike against enemy units firing at you with any weapon from within their UC. Just made yourselves fair game!

8. Self defense against any enemy while invading a UC, accomplishing any of the above tasks.

All this sounds fair enough to me. Of course, if the other team is obviously out of their league, you can either be ruthless and end the match as quickly as possible, or ease up a bit and allow them to have a bit of room to stretch their legs for awhile.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-03-24 18:09:38)

2006-03-24 18:44:36
tthf
Member 5307
+210|7214|06-01
ummm i ticked them all....
base rape yeah!
seriously though, if it comes to the point where 1 team is pinned down at their uncap, what should the other team do? step aside and let them back into the game? would you?
2006-03-24 18:52:41
Kamikaze17
Over the line!
+70|7205|Mark it zero.
i say base rape the fuck out of them if you want to. this is a fucking war game here... stop complaining that you are getting killed and go kill them. if you need to, spawn at another point if you have one. and if you dont have another point, then quit bitching because people arent gonna wait for you to leave spawn before they attack you. to everyone that says baseraping is not acceptable, you should just quit this game because you are a little pussy bitch that needs to complain because they just suck.
2006-03-24 18:53:26
Z-trooper
BF2s' little helper
+209|7215|Denmark

Cbass wrote:

It's all acceptable, war is hell deal with it.
Agreed.

Unless the rules say otherwise. Its a game, and there a rules. personally I dont attack uncappable bases unless im 100% sure that its 'legit' on the server.
I didnt even when I was working up my 100 spec ops hours.
2006-03-24 19:15:55
staticblue
Vindicator
+28|7192|Houston, TX

DeadboyUSMC wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Cbass wrote:

It's all acceptable, war is hell deal with it.
War may be hell but this is a game, you are aware of that. right ?
I agree wholeheartedly with you Horseman. This is a game, made for the purpose of entertainment. Sure, it may be a war game, but in real life there is no respawn, no burned corpses on the side of the road, no acrid smell of burning metal and bodies, no fields of blood and limbs. It's fucking pixels. I enjoy playing this game, sure, but when people start using it as an excuse to try and sound tough on the internet by saying things like "war is hell, deal with it", it really pisses me off. More than likely, it's some high school student saying shit like that who has no clue what a real war.

I've gone off, and await the flames, it's a given here with the kiddies. Basically, shut the hell up, this isn't war... It's a game, stop trying to sound like a hard-ass when most of you have no fucking clue.

I hardly ever swear, I must be pissed...
I doubt he was trying to sound tough. More likely trying to be funny. The problem with forums is you interpret what you read in the tone you "assume" it is written in.

Now regardless of what he was try to convey he's right. For you or, anyone else to assume that anyone believes this game isn't a game is asinine. Everyone knows they are playing a game. No one think's it a real war. Your complaining about something that basically doesn't exist. The game attempts to mimic war within certain guide lines to make it appropriate for the masses. The mind set is still the same to a point and, that is what "this is war" is meant to be translated as "What it takes to win". Not "I think I'm in a real war". It's not necessary for everyone to state that "yes, it's a game" every time they compare it to what it is attempting to simulate.

If anything you are the one trying to sound tough and, bring everyone down with your little "real war" rant. All this over an assumptions. You don't know the people that post these things. Yes, you may be absolutely right but, then again you may be bitching at someone that has, or does serve in the armed forces. So don't take a thread and, run it off course on an assumption. You ruin it for everyone.

Don't take this as negative. It is the same way I would tell any of my friends that they should learn to hold their tongue and, pick their battles a little better.


edited for typo

Last edited by staticblue (2006-03-24 19:21:03)

2006-03-24 20:52:11
Jestar
Shifty's Home Number: 02 9662 8432
+373|7198

Yes Apart From the Last 2
2006-03-24 21:40:20
BF2Craglyeye
Member
+72|7129|Australia
I like the rules that Internode Servers have set out about not attack any Uncap in a vehicle/heli/plane, you can feel free to infiltrate on foot though, and drop Arty.

What sort of game does it serve on Wake especially to be carrier raped and lose the game, 250 - 0. 

Plus have all except 3 players on the chinese team who have seen no action, and have less than 5 points.

One of the only things worse than being raped on the carrier is sitting on Airfield doing "Sweet fuck all", im there for the action. Not to watch plane whores.
2006-03-25 07:25:55
rgraze
Member
+6|7129
Well do what a lot of people do, bitch to EA and then they change it.
2006-03-25 08:29:23
-=S8M=-Phoenix
Member
+45|7250|South Cybertown, Texas

rgraze wrote:

Well do what a lot of people do, bitch to EA and then they change it.
No shit! Like they did with the 1.2 and 1.21 patch.
2006-03-25 08:29:25
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7078|London, England
It keeps the action alive. The only thing that ruins the 'fun' of trying to defend/attack the uncappable is the artillery. Real annoying. Otherwise it's fun as you get to use most of the TOW's and AA sites that are usually all over the uncapables.

One of the things i do is just look for a squad leader who is farthest from the base and spawn on him. Sorted. Now go cap one of those flags at the back, and build up from there whilst the stupid enemy is too busy getting the free kills without realising that there are less and less people spawning at the main base, and more spawning at flags they don't even realise arn't there own flags anymore.

Now all that is needed is for the J10's to not be near-invisible to AA and everything would be fine.
2006-03-25 09:03:42
(HUN)Rudebwoy
Member
+45|7212

Cbass wrote:

If people start making up in game rules like no base rape and all that other crap.

Bf2 will be a pussy's game in no time. I can see it already, we'll get banned from servers for driving vehicles, and EA will whipe stats for anyone who kills another soldier.

Cougar wrote:

THIER IN MY MAIN BASE!!!  WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!  I CAN'T GET MY LEET SU-30!!!  WHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

STFU and get over it.  It's a game.  If you don't like it, go play in one of those pussy servers that babysits all the players like a bunch of nannies.
I like those people who try to prove their rugged manhood in a video game's forum...
2006-03-25 16:53:15
Arkanon
Member
+3|7152|London, UK
Mekstizzle, you've a good point there. It's bloody maddening as a commander when your team capture all but one enemy flag and then, while they're fighting for that last flag, I spot a lone enemy sneaking toward the base furthest from the contested flag. So I ask a nearby squad to sort him out. But the nearby squad is too busy racing toward the hot zone to with bother such trivia. I ask another squad and get a similar response. (Worst is when they say "Yes, sir," but carry on in the opposite direction.) So we lose one flag, then another. By about the third loss, the bulk of the team have finally snapped out of their bloodlust and realised all their hard work is being undone.

A skilled team can make real capital from being trapped in one base for a few minutes, especially against a team that isn't bothered about the final result.

Last edited by Arkanon (2006-03-25 16:54:21)

2006-03-25 17:11:36
name1ess
Member
+8|7206|Newcastle, Aus.

BF2Craglyeye wrote:

I like the rules that Internode Servers have set out about not attack any Uncap in a vehicle/heli/plane, you can feel free to infiltrate on foot though, and drop Arty.

What sort of game does it serve on Wake especially to be carrier raped and lose the game, 250 - 0. 

Plus have all except 3 players on the chinese team who have seen no action, and have less than 5 points.

One of the only things worse than being raped on the carrier is sitting on Airfield doing "Sweet fuck all", im there for the action. Not to watch plane whores.
yep, internodes rules are good.
2006-03-25 20:08:58
Hummeth
Member
+4|7101|Wisconsin
I believe that you should be able to go attack uncappables only if you ahve all the other flags. Once you've secured all the other flags then go ahead and go in. I know it is a war game but I think this just makes it a bit more fun and thats what gems are supposed to be.
2006-03-25 21:25:43
FSFGrimes
Member
+1|7198
I'm sure if you are on the losing team and are getting raped pretty badly you think its wrong.
Your on the winning team its the best part of the game.

A line has to be drawn somewhere in order to give the game fairness and balance. On Oman if I'm on America and we take all the flags, I honestly just fly around patrol over the takable flags. I really dont like to fly over the enemy airfield all that much.

Whoever made the artillary and the spawn for aircraft on Oman the exact same lenght of time is a complete idiot...

 

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