Mitch
16 more years
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Yes its old news, but scary as fuck.


http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol … 006025.ece

The problem with the internet, as we all know, is that it gives free rein to loonies. Once upon a time, green inkers would rant away on writing paper, seal their 30-page global conspiracy theory into a recycled envelope and post it to a newspaper, which would drop it harmlessly into a wastepaper basket. Now they infiltrate chat rooms, scrawl anonymous abuse in web discussions and even have their own video blogs.

Sometimes this is entertaining; sometimes it can be offensive. So Microsoft has just been awarded a patent for technology designed to automatically detect and remove “undesired words or phrases” from all manner of digital communications, ranging from YouTube broadcasts to internet chat and songs.

The patent describes a system that listens out for phonemes (word fragments) likely to be part of a swearword. If it thinks it hears a forbidden phrase, the software either fades out the offending syllables or simply replaces the rude word with a similar-sounding but clean alternative lifted from earlier speech without a second’s delay.

With Microsoft’s software put in place by parents, children could listen to the most explicit rap music and hear nothing stronger than “gosh darn mother flippers”. Theoretically, the software could monitor thousands of digital TV broadcasts, radio stations and web chats simultaneously.

That’s all to the good, as long as the targets are “trolls” (internet slang for people whose aim is to disrupt the web community). There’s a danger, though, that it could go too far. Who’s to say that an overzealous Microsoft employee might not accidentally on purpose blacklist the names of rivals such as Apple and Linux?

Worse, there are governments around the world that would probably go further still, suppressing dissent not with guns and clubs but by preventing people from even discussing concepts such as “protest” or “freedom”. And that, I’m sure you’ll agree, is a freaking scary idea.
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Uzique
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A phoneme is not a word fragment, it is a fragment of speech or language- how do you 'hear' what is written on the Internet? What a poor use of a linguistic term. This article is bullshit and is written by a no-clue bullshitter. Scaremongering nonsense that works off a writer's base understanding that is poor at best.
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Spidery_Yoda
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Uzique wrote:

A phoneme is not a word fragment, it is a fragment of speech or language- how do you 'hear' what is written on the Internet? What a poor use of a linguistic term. This article is bullshit and is written by a no-clue bullshitter. Scaremongering nonsense that works off a writer's base understanding that is poor at best.
I think the software censors what people are saying. With people talking to each other with microphones and the like.

It looks like it's you that didn't understand, not the person that wrote the article.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2009-04-01 11:01:32)

Uzique
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+2,865|6899

Spidery_Yoda wrote:

Uzique wrote:

A phoneme is not a word fragment, it is a fragment of speech or language- how do you 'hear' what is written on the Internet? What a poor use of a linguistic term. This article is bullshit and is written by a no-clue bullshitter. Scaremongering nonsense that works off a writer's base understanding that is poor at best.
I think the software censors what people are saying. With people talking to each other with microphones and the like.

It looks like it's you that didn't understand, not the person that wrote the article.
Yes, but it's fucking impossible to do, technologically and linguistically. A phoneme has no meaning. If anything, the article and dumby journalist is trying to talk about morphemes. But he's not, thus, it is a stupid scaremongering article with no basis and no real understanding of the technology or science, let alone its applications.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-04-01 11:03:19)

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Peter
Super Awesome Member
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Spidery_Yoda wrote:

Uzique wrote:

A phoneme is not a word fragment, it is a fragment of speech or language- how do you 'hear' what is written on the Internet? What a poor use of a linguistic term. This article is bullshit and is written by a no-clue bullshitter. Scaremongering nonsense that works off a writer's base understanding that is poor at best.
I think the software censors what people are saying. With people talking to each other with microphones and the like.

It looks like it's you that didn't understand, not the person that wrote the article.
Yeah, the article is about sounds. Like on the youtube video, the worst that would be heard is "gosh darn mother flippers". I'd want to hear that. Would be fudging awesome.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6899

Peter wrote:

Spidery_Yoda wrote:

Uzique wrote:

A phoneme is not a word fragment, it is a fragment of speech or language- how do you 'hear' what is written on the Internet? What a poor use of a linguistic term. This article is bullshit and is written by a no-clue bullshitter. Scaremongering nonsense that works off a writer's base understanding that is poor at best.
I think the software censors what people are saying. With people talking to each other with microphones and the like.

It looks like it's you that didn't understand, not the person that wrote the article.
Yeah, the article is about sounds. Like on the youtube video, the worst that would be heard is "gosh darn mother flippers". I'd want to hear that. Would be fudging awesome.
There is no technological way to discern offensive morphemes or units of speech, that is my point here. As a crass example, that would mean censoring and automatically blotting-out every utterance with the phonetic sound "fu-" in, even if you wanted to say "fudge" (comprised of "fu/h-juh" or variants thereof). It doesn't work, it's too rudimentary and tries to apply a social principle to linguistics in an utterly failsome manner. You cannot censor or filter between the root units of language and speech, it would be like deleting every syllable of a word that could possibly be modified or joined to anothers to form a written swear-word. O    ur p    os           ts w oul       d  t h en a l           l loo  k li   k   e    t h i    s.

As a concept it seems do-able, but really I do not see how it is even practical. Therefore the journalist is simply spreading a scaremongering article that is trying to excite and evoke readers with news of a patent that ultimately has created nothing in real software-development terms. They've patented and received permission for a very loose principle, not for an application that can in any degree of accuracy achieve this effect.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7049|London, England
This is actually good news, Microsoft needs to do something like this to shoot itself in the foot and in effect completely destroy itself, in the long run, it would be better for everyone.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Topic or gtfo.
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