BF2S Forums My ATi 4850 is performing shitter than my 8800GT

TBH the synchronization of ram bus frequenzy and FSB doesn't make much of difference. I have had 5 nforce boards with unlinked FSB:RAM ratio to play around with them.

You guys are trying to fix a graphics issue by changing ram speed. NOT GONNA HAPPEN as his gfx has 40% less fps in the game tests.

As long as you refuse to flash the graphics card BIOS, I can't help you.

Flash stock BIOS to gfx, remove all drivers and clean every piece of them with reg cleaner. Run many anti-spyware detection&removal tools to make sure that is not causing your low performance. Also see if there is some particular program hogging all your resources (like f-secure etc.)

Put everything to stock. everything. get latest drivers. reinstall directx. reinstall 3dmark etc.

[maybe even format]

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-04-02 03:14:45)

no you need the original REFERENCE DESIGN Gainward BIOS. There is no reserve funktion.

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

TBH the synchronization of ram bus frequenzy and FSB doesn't make much of difference. I have had 5 nforce boards with unlinked FSB:RAM ratio to play around with them.

I've never had the chance to play around with the more recent chipsets to that degree. I know it will make some amount of difference, just not how much.

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

You guys are trying to fix a graphics issue by changing ram speed. NOT GONNA HAPPEN as his gfx has 40% less fps in the game tests.

That's why I said "it shouldn't make that much difference" (or words to that effect) in my first post in this thread on the subject...


Anyway, it was more a stab in the dark than anything - I can understand ramm's reluctance to re-flash the card and re-install everything (which is probably actually the quickest way to make sure it's not something hogging resources, for example) and so suggested it as a "try this and see if it helps, even though it probably won't, it's quick and it can be easily changed back if it doesn't help".


@ramm: if you do want to try the RAM tweak, I believe you do indeed need to make them say the same thing - I think in your case they should both say 266 - but as I've said several times, I don't have much hands-on experience of more recent mobos and there associated BIOS's - i.e. not enough to be certain that any of what I'm suggesting is even correct or will help any (I was kinda of hoping someone else, rather than just saying "won't help", would, at the very least say summat to the effect of "as Scorpion says, it probably won't make that much difference, but he's correct that they need to say the same value" or "...if the CPU is set to XXX the RAM needs to be YYY" or something else, you know, helpful...


But, as per usual, it seems everyone else just wants to compare e-penises and refuse to help because because your too noob, or some such bollox.


Whatever.

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

reason why I don't post long here is that I am 4th day ill. High fever, can't eat, throwing up and diarrhea.

I should probably also just not post here when I'm feeling unwell - makes me a grumpy bastard...

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

When you set FSB:RAM ratio to 1:1

266MHz FSB = 533MHz ram because of the DDR
333MHz FSB = 667MHz ram etc.

with different ratios you can use, depending on mobo, such as 333FSB and 800MHz ram etc.

Ta, that was the bit I was unsure about.

So, ramm, that means you need to adjust the ram multiplier so that the frequency reads as 533, if I'm not mistaken, and you can be arsed to try it.

ok,ok, im going to bios flash first tbh.

so i have 2 sets of bios ready to check one of them out. what should i use to flash. winflash, atiflash, RBE ETC?

also what ever you mention, do tell how to use it also

rammunition wrote:

ok,ok, im going to bios flash first tbh.

so i have 2 sets of bios ready to check one of them out. what should i use to flash. winflash, atiflash, RBE ETC?

also what ever you mention, do tell how to use it also

ati flash is good.

give this a try: http://www.overclock.net/4845988-post12.html

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

As there's nothing obviously wrong with ramm's card, I thought it worth a try.

there obviously IS something wrong with the card when it has a different BIOS and performs a lot worse.  i'm 90% sure just reverting to the original BIOS will make it perform properly.

Last edited by haffeysucks (2009-04-02 14:57:10)

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

As there's nothing obviously wrong with ramm's card, I thought it worth a try.

there obviously IS something wrong with the card when it has a different BIOS and performs a lot worse.  i'm 90% sure just reverting to the original BIOS will make it perform properly.

According to GPU-Z, and the link ramm' posted to the BIOS he's going to flash, it has the correct BIOS.

eh?  i thought it had a ASUS BIOS currently, but the card was branded Gainward.

(btw, fun fact of the day (at least for me) : Zotac = Gainward )

Last edited by haffeysucks (2009-04-02 19:31:20)

rammunition wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

rammunition wrote:

ok,ok, im going to bios flash first tbh.

so i have 2 sets of bios ready to check one of them out. what should i use to flash. winflash, atiflash, RBE ETC?

also what ever you mention, do tell how to use it also

ati flash is good.

give this a try: http://www.overclock.net/4845988-post12.html

thanks, though i haven't got any spare usb's , if i use a usb, can i remove the stuff then use it like a normal usb again??

Of course...

rammunition wrote:

also, can't you flash through windows?

Sure, but it increases the possibility of fucking up.

rammunition wrote:

ok, i went into bios and changed the PCI-E freq setting from auto to 108, i got a 1200 point increase in vantage

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm10 … /3dmmm.jpg

question, if it safe to leave the freq at 108?

please don't do that.  you'll be very unstable.

but is helped with the score, 1200 points, im going to put it back on auto.

if raising the the pci-e freq helps, what does it suggest the error could be?

true, true. im going to flash the card after work, i start in 35 minutes

haffeysucks wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

haffeysucks wrote:

there obviously IS something wrong with the card when it has a different BIOS and performs a lot worse.  i'm 90% sure just reverting to the original BIOS will make it perform properly.

According to GPU-Z, and the link ramm' posted to the BIOS he's going to flash, it has the correct BIOS.

eh?  i thought it had a ASUS BIOS currently, but the card was branded Gainward.

(btw, fun fact of the day (at least for me) : Zotac = Gainward )

OMG. You are correct. OK. If I'd have spotted that before I wouldn't have suggested anything other than re-flashing - the BIOS is foobar - the BIOS version number, as shown in GPU-Z is the Gainward BIOS version number, but the sub-vendor says ASUS.

No wonder it's not running properly!

@ramm: before you do anything else reset the PCI-E speed to stock, then re-flash the BIOS.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2009-04-03 19:28:07)