Support For GUN CONTROL Hits an ALL Time LOW

2009-04-09 21:58:16

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nickb64: formerly from OC (it's EXACTLY like on tv)[truth]; +77|6024|Greatest Nation on Earth(USA)

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National Review wrote:
Support for Gun Control Hits All-Time Low

In today's Washington Post, a story explores the theory that recent mass shootings stem from economic hard times, and mentions the issue of gun control:

Predictably, the carnage has focused attention on the nation's gun laws. Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said it is too easy for dangerous people to acquire guns.

"The common denominator in all these is that they're all using a gun," Helmke said of the recent killings. "You don't see police officers in Pittsburgh being killed by people throwing knives at them. . . . We've always had violence, but in the old days you couldn't take out so many people so quickly. Now we make it very easy to do that."

Meanwhile, from Gallup:

In Gallup polling conducted prior to last week's gun massacre at an immigrant center in Binghamton, N.Y., only 29% of Americans said the possession of handguns by private citizens should be banned in the United States. While similar to the 30% recorded in 2007, the latest reading is the smallest percentage favoring a handgun ban since Gallup first polled on this nearly 50 years ago.

AWESOME, Screw Gun Control, it's a stupid idea anyway.

EDIT: added site link

Last edited by nickb64 (2009-04-11 08:19:33)

2009-04-09 22:00:52

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5999

Link the actual article. National Review is a right wing paper anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if they cherry picked their data.

2009-04-09 22:11:09

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Man With No Name: جندي; +148|5988|The Wild West

you need gun control. Do you want more hispanics owning 45 caliber sub machine gun mac 10s ?

2009-04-09 22:13:24

#4

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6779|California

Man With No Name wrote:
you need gun control. Do you want more hispanics owning 45 caliber sub machine gun mac 10s ?

only in california

2009-04-09 22:14:44

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Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7014|132 and Bush

Macbeth wrote:
Link the actual article. National Review is a right wing paper anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if they cherry picked their data.

You know not all righties are against sensible gun laws.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-04-09 22:17:33

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Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5999

Kmarion wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Link the actual article. National Review is a right wing paper anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if they cherry picked their data.
You know not all righties are against sensible gun laws.

I know Kmarion, I mean i wouldn't be surprised if they cherry picked the data they wanted to show to support their assumption and withheld the damaging bunch. That is why I demanded a link to the article.

2009-04-09 22:38:47

#7

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7078|NT, like Mick Dundee

=NHB=Shadow wrote:
Man With No Name wrote:
you need gun control. Do you want more hispanics owning 45 caliber sub machine gun mac 10s ?
only in california

Can't have citizens like GS owning mac-10s. Take his away. Take them all away!

Actually GS you still have that gun or did you get rid of it?

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-04-10 00:50:18

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Diesel_dyk: Object in mirror will feel larger than it appears; +178|6407|Truthistan

Gun control is to Democrats, what abortion is to Republicans

These topics are the flip side of the same coin for these parties. They are both do nothing, cost very little hot button issues where it costs them absolutely nothing in terms of money to pass legislation to deny a person from doing something. And where passing legislation in these areas provides poltical pay back to a segment of rabid supporters.

In my mind both parties would gain tons of credibility if they stopped trying to pass legislation to enforce extreme positions on these two topics.
Obama has to keep Eric Holder and congressional Democrats on a short leash on gun control if he hopes to get re-elected. On the flip side, Republicans lose support everytime progressive conservatives see bible thumper legislation.

Yes you can, smell so bad that you can't count on the hold your nose and vote crowd.

2009-04-10 07:06:30

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RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7128|US

If you come up with a sound plan to reduce crime while not targeting those not commiting the crimes, I'm very willing to listen.

If you mean the Brady Campaign's rabid quest for any laws against guns they can get...you'll get no support from me.

Actually, DD, I think Reid and Pelosi asked Obama to tighten the leash on Holder. They don't support an AWB right now. Politicians don't like getting voted out of office for pointless legislation.

2009-04-10 07:10:53

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6818|North Carolina

Currently, there are too many guns in America to effectively implement gun control. Gun registries are about as controlled as things could become involving guns.

It would make more sense to simply have a list of people blacklisted from having guns than it would to try and create a license for all those who are allowed to have a gun.

Reasons for being on the blacklist could include mental instability, felony convictions, and extremist activity.

2009-04-10 07:24:02

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RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7128|US

They already try that with the NICS, but the system is only open to licensed dealers.
I couldn't use the system if I wanted to sell my rifle to someone. It would be nice if anyone could call in an NICS check for a sale.

2009-04-10 07:24:51

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Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6818|North Carolina

RAIMIUS wrote:
They already try that with the NICS, but the system is only open to licensed dealers.
I couldn't use the system if I wanted to sell my rifle to someone. It would be nice if anyone could call in an NICS check for a sale.

Absolutely. We should expand that program.

2009-04-10 11:11:17

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imortal: Member; +240|7078|Austin, TX

Here is a fun question. Guns are nothing new. Gun availability has not suddenly changed in the last 18 months; yet there are more and more shootings. I would submit that it is not the sudden proliferation of firearms that is a root cause of all of this. Would it not be healthier to figure out why these people are doing this with more and more often? Surely dealing with the psychosocial origin of this problem would take a higher priority than taking away what is simply a method of the execution of their problem.

Oh, and when talking about reasonable gun laws, I would ask "Reasonable to whom?"

2009-04-10 11:17:20

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6703|Éire

America is probably too late for gun control to be in any way feasible. Gun control works quite well in Europe though because we have less guns in circulation and the act of gun ownership doesn't form a crucial part of our sense of nationality; we also have the statistics to that prove gun control works quite well.

2009-04-10 21:07:20

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RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7128|US

Which stats?

2009-04-10 21:43:51

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DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|7094|Disaster Free Zone

Braddock wrote:
America is probably too late for gun control to be in any way feasible. Gun control works quite well in Europe though because we have less guns in circulation and the act of gun ownership doesn't form a crucial part of our sense of nationality; we also have the statistics to that prove gun control works quite well.

Freaking copout. There is no reason why it wouldn't or couldn't work. Sure it wont work overnight and will take years even decades to change but the more people make bullshit excuse like its just not possible and the longer nothing gets done the worse things will get and the harder it will be to change in the future. There is no better time to start then now.

2009-04-10 21:49:52

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NeXuS: Shock it till ya know it; +375|6755|Atlanta, Georgia

Fuck gun control. I enjoy my guns. Why take mine when the bad guy can still get em.

Yea im a typical american, you wanna fight about it?

2009-04-10 22:26:34

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imortal: Member; +240|7078|Austin, TX

DrunkFace wrote:
Braddock wrote:
America is probably too late for gun control to be in any way feasible. Gun control works quite well in Europe though because we have less guns in circulation and the act of gun ownership doesn't form a crucial part of our sense of nationality; we also have the statistics to that prove gun control works quite well.
Freaking copout. There is no reason why it wouldn't or couldn't work. Sure it wont work overnight and will take years even decades to change but the more people make bullshit excuse like its just not possible and the longer nothing gets done the worse things will get and the harder it will be to change in the future. There is no better time to start then now.

Sure there is a better time: NEVER.

2009-04-10 22:45:18

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Reciprocity: Member; +721|6994|the dank(super) side of Oregon

DrunkFace wrote:
and the longer nothing gets done the worse things will get and the harder it will be to change in the future. There is no better time to start then now.

violent crime has been on the decline for the past 15 years, nothing is getting worse. there are 250-350 million privately owned firearms in this country, good luck banning them.

do non-americans have some weird perception of america as one big wild west with everyone carrying guns and killing each other over matters of honor? it's more like urban poor people killing each other over drugs and "territory" that they don't actually own. if you think magically erasing all the scary guns will solve that kind of violence, you need to grow up.

2009-04-10 23:19:39

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Roger Lesboules: Ah ben tabarnak!; +316|6990|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

NeXuS wrote:
Fuck gun control. I enjoy my guns. Why take mine when the bad guy can still get em.

Yea im a typical american, you wanna fight about it?

Nope, no fight for me! I totally agree, here in Canada we dont need gun because not everybody own them and crime rate is pretty low, but there is already too many guns in the states to disarm everybody. Fuck gun control in the states!

2009-04-10 23:23:14

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Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7014|132 and Bush

Braddock wrote:
America is probably too late for gun control to be in any way feasible. Gun control works quite well in Europe though because we have less guns in circulation and the act of gun ownership doesn't form a crucial part of our sense of nationality; we also have the statistics to that prove gun control works quite well.

Despite popular belief we do have gun laws, and they vary from state to state. In fact there has been an all out ban in some areas.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-04-10 23:28:55

#22

Reciprocity: Member; +721|6994|the dank(super) side of Oregon

Kmarion wrote:
Despite popular belief we do have gun laws, and they vary from state to state.

i prefer the wild west fantasy.

In fact there has been an all out ban in some areas.

yeah, look at how well it's worked in DC.

2009-04-11 04:50:55

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PureFodder: Member; +225|6698

Reciprocity wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
In fact there has been an all out ban in some areas.
yeah, look at how well it's worked in DC.

D.C is the perfect example of how not to do a firearms ban. They prevented the populace form arming themselves while doing nothing to prevent criminals from bringing guns into D.C.

2009-04-11 04:54:34

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Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6562|'straya

PureFodder wrote:
Reciprocity wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
In fact there has been an all out ban in some areas.
yeah, look at how well it's worked in DC.
D.C is the perfect example of how not to do a firearms ban. They prevented the populace form arming themselves while doing nothing to prevent criminals from bringing guns into D.C.

also, state by state (or city by city) isnt going to be at all effective. unless you have border corssings to go into each state. the laws would need to be nationwide to have any effect.

2009-04-11 09:57:04

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Braddock: Agitator; +916|6703|Éire

DrunkFace wrote:
Braddock wrote:
America is probably too late for gun control to be in any way feasible. Gun control works quite well in Europe though because we have less guns in circulation and the act of gun ownership doesn't form a crucial part of our sense of nationality; we also have the statistics to that prove gun control works quite well.
Freaking copout. There is no reason why it wouldn't or couldn't work. Sure it wont work overnight and will take years even decades to change but the more people make bullshit excuse like its just not possible and the longer nothing gets done the worse things will get and the harder it will be to change in the future. There is no better time to start then now.

It's not just the number of guns in circulation that would make it impossible it's the attitude that millions of Americans have towards guns... they just love shooting their guns! It's deeply ingrained in their social psyche. it would take hundreds of years to change this attitude. Add to this the fact that every time a liberal Government got in and introduced legislation to increase gun control a conservative Government would inevitably come along a few years later to undo all the hard work, it would be one step forward, two steps back.

Last edited by Braddock (2009-04-11 09:58:01)

BF2S Forums Support For GUN CONTROL Hits an ALL Time LOW

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Man With No Name wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

=NHB=Shadow wrote:

Man With No Name wrote:

RAIMIUS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Braddock wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

NeXuS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

Braddock wrote:

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