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I don't think there is a shadow of a doubt that Muhammad was a worse human being than Jesus. That guy was fucked up

However, we all know Christianity in reality isn't all about Jesus. You have this whole shit about popes and saints and all this other stuff that doesn't really have anything to do with Jesus, if Christianity was a way of life just like Jesus would have wanted, than Christianity would be almost just like Buddhism and Buddha. But it clearly isn't.

If all Christians were like Christ, then Christianity would really be a religion that you couldn't really complain about that much, like I said it would probably be on par with Buddhism. Instead it has been warped and twisted by various people from the Middle East and Europe and America throughout history and is almost something entirely else

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I'm still wondering if lowing's ever read the Koran?

Yet another person that does not want to answer the comparisons only tap dance around it.

How is it tap dancing around? I want to know if you've actually read the holy book of the religion which you love to baselessly bash. Why don't YOU answer the question, lowing? Although I can already tell you haven't, as you're the one doing all the "tap dancing" around the questions here.

It's obvious to me the only knowledge you have on Islam comes from Fox News, anti-Islam sites and other right wing bullshit.

No actually, I have not read it, HAVE YOU?

Also I have eyes and ears, I can see and hear what is happening around the world in the name of Islam. So spare me the, bullshit about reading the Quran. I know how to research to support my opinions. Now how about you do the same and try and compare Jesus to Muhammad, and explain how a child molester and murderer could possibly be the founder of a religion that is supposed to be steeped in peace and tolerance.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

How is it tap dancing around? I want to know if you've actually read the holy book of the religion which you love to baselessly bash. Why don't YOU answer the question, lowing? Although I can already tell you haven't, as you're the one doing all the "tap dancing" around the questions here.

It's obvious to me the only knowledge you have on Islam comes from Fox News, anti-Islam sites and other right wing bullshit.

No actually, I have not read it, HAVE YOU?

Also I have eyes and ears, I can see and hear what is happening around the world in the name of Islam. So spare me the, bullshit about reading the Quran. I know how to research to support my opinions. Now how about you do the same and try and compare Jesus to Muhammad, and explain how a child molester and murderer could possibly be the founder of a religion that is supposed to be steeped in peace and tolerance.

I'm not the one bashing or defending Islam, am I? I'm the one asking you. Clearly, you haven't read it, and only go off of what you see on the sites and locations listed. You bitch about people attacking your sources - because your sources fucking suck!

Stop tap dancing around the questions, lowing!

Until you read the Koran, all of your opinions on Islam are invalid.

Seriously, how can you claim to know about their religion without actually reading the text which they take as the word of God? Unless of course reading is too hard for you...

You have never been a cop yet you have opinions about police officers. You have never been a soldier yet you have opininons on them, you have never been to Iraq and Afghanistan yet you have opinions on the war. You have never been to the White House, yet you have opinions about Bush. You have opinions based on what you have read and heard and seen. I have done the same thing, Do not tell me my opinions are invalid.


Besides, if I have said something that is NOT true point it out. If Muhammed is NOT a child molester, did NOT marry a 6 year old and fuck her at 9 tell me. If Muhammed is NOT a murderer show me.

I ASKED for a comparison between Jesus and Muhammed. No one wants to provide one so I went and found several. Do not bash the source, bash the information if you can.

Last edited by lowing (2009-04-12 10:14:19)

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

No actually, I have not read it, HAVE YOU?

Also I have eyes and ears, I can see and hear what is happening around the world in the name of Islam. So spare me the, bullshit about reading the Quran. I know how to research to support my opinions. Now how about you do the same and try and compare Jesus to Muhammad, and explain how a child molester and murderer could possibly be the founder of a religion that is supposed to be steeped in peace and tolerance.

I'm not the one bashing or defending Islam, am I? I'm the one asking you. Clearly, you haven't read it, and only go off of what you see on the sites and locations listed. You bitch about people attacking your sources - because your sources fucking suck!

Stop tap dancing around the questions, lowing!

Until you read the Koran, all of your opinions on Islam are invalid.

Seriously, how can you claim to know about their religion without actually reading the text which they take as the word of God? Unless of course reading is too hard for you...

You have never been a cop yet you have opinions about police officers. You have never been a soldier yet you have opininons on them, you have never been to Iraq and Afghanistan yet you have opinions on the war. You have never been to the White House, yet you have opinions about Bush. You have opinions based on what you have read and heard and seen. I have done the same thing, Do not tell me my opinions are invalid.


Besides, if I have said something that is NOT true point it out. If Muhammed is NOT a child molester, did NOT marry a 6 year old and fuck her at 9 tell me. If Muhammed is NOT a murderer show me.

I ASKED for a comparison between Jesus and Muhammed. No one wants to provide one so I went and found several. Do not bash the source, bash the information if you can.

I have opinions about INDIVIDUAL cops and INDIVIDUAL soldiers. I do not generalize every police officer due to the actions of a few, nor do I generalize the military of a country due to the actions of a few soldiers. You, on the other hand, generalize the entire religion of Islam - 1.6 billion people on the planet IIRC - due to the actions of a small percentage of muslims. Is it greater than the amount of Christians who kill in the name of God (like those who blow up abortion clinics/kill doctors who perform abortions)? Sure. But that still doesn't mean that they represent Islam as a whole.

But then what you do is you bash the religion as an entirety - you claim that the Quran is filled with hate and teaches hate, without actually having read it yourself. And it's the same. goddamn. rhetoric. and. drivel. in. every. godforsaken. thread.

And then what you'll do after that is you'll make it seem as if someone said something which they didn't and then blast them for saying it. And I'm awaiting it now.

Ironically, I, as a Jew, have to go celebrate Easter with the girlfriend right now. Have fun being a paranoid, xenophobic little man.

Poseidon wrote:

lowing wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I'm not the one bashing or defending Islam, am I? I'm the one asking you. Clearly, you haven't read it, and only go off of what you see on the sites and locations listed. You bitch about people attacking your sources - because your sources fucking suck!

Stop tap dancing around the questions, lowing!

Until you read the Koran, all of your opinions on Islam are invalid.

Seriously, how can you claim to know about their religion without actually reading the text which they take as the word of God? Unless of course reading is too hard for you...

You have never been a cop yet you have opinions about police officers. You have never been a soldier yet you have opininons on them, you have never been to Iraq and Afghanistan yet you have opinions on the war. You have never been to the White House, yet you have opinions about Bush. You have opinions based on what you have read and heard and seen. I have done the same thing, Do not tell me my opinions are invalid.


Besides, if I have said something that is NOT true point it out. If Muhammed is NOT a child molester, did NOT marry a 6 year old and fuck her at 9 tell me. If Muhammed is NOT a murderer show me.

I ASKED for a comparison between Jesus and Muhammed. No one wants to provide one so I went and found several. Do not bash the source, bash the information if you can.

I have opinions about INDIVIDUAL cops and INDIVIDUAL soldiers. I do not generalize every police officer due to the actions of a few, nor do I generalize the military of a country due to the actions of a few soldiers. You, on the other hand, generalize the entire religion of Islam - 1.6 billion people on the planet IIRC - due to the actions of a small percentage of muslims. Is it greater than the amount of Christians who kill in the name of God (like those who blow up abortion clinics/kill doctors who perform abortions)? Sure. But that still doesn't mean that they represent Islam as a whole.

But then what you do is you bash the religion as an entirety - you claim that the Quran is filled with hate and teaches hate, without actually having read it yourself. And it's the same. goddamn. rhetoric. and. drivel. in. every. godforsaken. thread.

And then what you'll do after that is you'll make it seem as if someone said something which they didn't and then blast them for saying it. And I'm awaiting it now.

Ironically, I, as a Jew, have to go celebrate Easter with the girlfriend right now. Have fun being a paranoid, xenophobic little man.

You also have opinions about policy and nations and wars. none of which are "individuals".

I do bash the religion as a whole what I do not do is lump in INDIVIDUALS into that bashing. I judge each person by their actions. However, the religion of Islam is not a religion of peace and tolerance and acceptance. Their is an entire ME culture out there that proves it. What isthe excepttion are those "moderates" in the west. I maintain that they are not practicing their faith as it is taught by the child molester and murderer Muhammed.

Also if you admit you have never read the Quaran either, where are you getting your argument that I am wrong?

Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

honestly, did you read that?

Uhhhhhhh yeah, which part? Where Muhammad took the girl at 6?

Look at chapter 2 of your own pdf.

You can't read the whole pdf? too much work?

No need, the premise is 18 pages of justification for the fact that everyone married and fucked 6-13 year old girls during that time, and it is just the way it was. The bible even talks about it. The thing is everyone did it, except Jesus Christ.

Also why do you not post some lnks disputing Muhammaed's violent and murdererous actions?


Just when exacty, do you intend to compare the lives of Jesus and Muhammed. I already helped ya and posted a few links about the 2.

Also explain how you can form and defend a religion around the facts of Muhammeds life and call it a religion of peace.

Beduin wrote:

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

You can't read the whole pdf? too much work?

No need, the premise is 18 pages of justification for the fact that everyone married and fucked 6-13 year old girls during that time, and it is just the way it was. The bible even talks about it. The thing is everyone did it, except Jesus Christ.

Also why do you not post some lnks disputing Muhammaed's violent and murdererous actions?


Just when exacty, do you intend to compare the lives of Jesus and Muhammed. I already helped ya and posted a few links about the 2.

Also explain how you can form and defend a religion around the facts of Muhammeds life and call it a religion of peace.

am surprised. I thought you were in ME working as a rat somewhere. You should by now know that some places they still get married at that age, and they did that before Islam. 
if you read the link you would also know that is was normal at that time. there were soldiers  that still were boys 13-14. it was under acceptance of everyone include the parents. the pdf also says that since she were "married" to someone else before , she must have been 9 when she got engaged and 11 when she got married.

child abusement? it would be lack of intellect, imo.

Yeah, I pretty said I read that "18 pages of justification for the fact that everyone married and fucked 6-13 year old girls during that time, and it is just the way it was. The bible even talks about it. The thing is everyone did it, except Jesus Christ."

Now that we have that cleared up, how about answering my posts and comparing the lives of Muhammed and Jesus?  Why is it you keep avoiding this comparison.

Also explain how you could form a religion around such a person as Muhammed?


One more thing, I was in the ME, but I was not working as a rat. Not even sur ewhat it is you are implying with that comment.

Last edited by lowing (2009-04-12 13:04:25)

m3thod wrote:

Flecco wrote:

lowing wrote:

Wow, I hope you do not pull your arm out of socket with that stretch.

Stretch?


Jesus, referred to by the Koran as Isiah (I think, somebody can correct if they know please), is mentioned no less than 36 times in the Koran, has a tomb waiting for him, upon his death after his triumphant prophesied return to earth, in Medina, next to Mohammad's tomb.


Fuck. Reaps beat me to it.

Close .  Jesus is one of the Islams prophets and is known as Isa.

Big difference between being a prophet and being the son of God. Recognizing Jesus, is not the same as worshipping him.

Where is this argument supposed to take us anyway? Is it supposed to be proof that Muhammed was not a violent murderous child molester?

Why are you joining an argument only to NOT answer the comparison between the mortal lives of Jesus and Muhmmed and explain how you can form a religion of peace around such a blood thirsty tyrant?

lowing wrote:

I do agree however, ya might as well close this thread since no one seems to dare compare the 2 men of which 2 of the largest religions in hisotry were founded. Really though, I can not blame the followers of the child molester and murder Muhammed for not wanting to do a side by side comparison. Exposing Muhammed for what he truely was does not paint a pretty picture of Islam. In fact, it explains Islam and its history and actions of today pretty well.

Okay Lowing.
If you say so, it shall be closed.