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2009-04-17 17:13:21

#1

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

Currently, we're with Tiscali "Unlimited" 8Mb package. Been doing a bit of Googling, and have found out that the "unlimited" part of that is actually "very limited" - to 35GB a month. After this you get throttled like a BITCH. Which is what we've been experiencing in the house. At first we put it down to bad electric cables - we're using homeplugs - but no, it's Tiscali. Everyone's having these problems with them. I found somewhere that changing your torrent port to 443 works well, as does a few others, I did this. It worked, for maybe half an hour (300kB/s), then I was back to 0.1kB/s download speed. Basically I'm getting right pissed off at them, and I was wondering if there was either
A) A way to get them legally (Looking at Max here)
or
B) A way to get past their traffic shaping and throttling. (Looking at the rest of you).

Cheers.

EDIT: I know the line can handle decent speeds, for example:

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Last edited by Finray (2009-04-17 17:14:22)

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2009-04-17 17:16:14

#2

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7106|Reykjavík, Iceland.

I don't think you can do anything legally, because there is no way a company as big as that would have left out the classic "*Unlimited is based on 35GB per month" crap in the fine print.

35GB per month is pathetic for an 8MB connection

2009-04-17 17:20:37

#3

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

lol... that is evil ISP.

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2009-04-17 17:21:36

#4

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

Sydney wrote:
I don't think you can do anything legally, because there is no way a company as big as that would have left out the classic "*Unlimited is based on 35GB per month" crap in the fine print.

35GB per month is pathetic for an 8MB connection

They fuck you up the arse with a wooden dildo with their "Fair usage policy".

If you click here it says Unlimited.

If you click here it says users downloading over 100GB a month will be effected, but everywhere I go they say it's between 30-35GB.

Only customers downloading well in excess of 100GB a month are likely to be impacted by the Fair Usage Policy.

What happens if you are affected by the Fair Usage Policy?
If you are affected, we will contact you by email to let you know that your usage at peak hours is excessive and is affecting other customers.

Dad has never had an e-mail from Tiscali. It goes on to say that you will receive a total of 3 e-mails before they'll throttle you. Not. Had. One.

I just want him to spend the £3,000 to dig up the road so we can get Fiber.

https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png

2009-04-17 17:28:18

#5

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6884|London, England

Imagine how ridiculous things would be when most of the world is using fibre optics

2009-04-17 17:29:21

#6

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7106|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Finray wrote:
Sydney wrote:
I don't think you can do anything legally, because there is no way a company as big as that would have left out the classic "*Unlimited is based on 35GB per month" crap in the fine print.

35GB per month is pathetic for an 8MB connection
They fuck you up the arse with a wooden dildo with their "Fair usage policy".

If you click here it says Unlimited.

If you click here it says users downloading over 100GB a month will be effected, but everywhere I go they say it's between 30-35GB.

Only customers downloading well in excess of 100GB a month are likely to be impacted by the Fair Usage Policy.
What happens if you are affected by the Fair Usage Policy?
If you are affected, we will contact you by email to let you know that your usage at peak hours is excessive and is affecting other customers.
Dad has never had an e-mail from Tiscali. It goes on to say that you will receive a total of 3 e-mails before they'll throttle you. Not. Had. One.

I just want him to spend the £3,000 to dig up the road so we can get Fiber.

If it's only usage during peak hours that will get your throttled, then set your client to only download at full speed at night....

2009-04-17 17:30:53

#7

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

Sydney wrote:
If it's only usage during peak hours that will get your throttled, then set your client to only download at full speed at night....

It's off peak now (1:30) and it's still at 0.2kB/s.

https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png

2009-04-17 17:35:44

#8

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7106|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Finray wrote:
Sydney wrote:
If it's only usage during peak hours that will get your throttled, then set your client to only download at full speed at night....
It's off peak now (1:30) and it's still at 0.2kB/s.

Obviously you have already been throttled, but if you had kept your downloading to off-peak in the first place, maybe you wouldn't be in this mess.

Or maybe they are just doing this to the torrent ports because as everyone knows torrenting is always and with no exceptions copyright infringement......

2009-04-17 17:37:13

#9

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

Sydney wrote:
Finray wrote:
Sydney wrote:
If it's only usage during peak hours that will get your throttled, then set your client to only download at full speed at night....
It's off peak now (1:30) and it's still at 0.2kB/s.
Obviously you have already been throttled, but if you had kept your downloading to off-peak in the first place, maybe you wouldn't be in this mess.

Or maybe they are just doing this to the torrent ports because as everyone knows torrenting is always and with no exceptions copyright infringement......

I think they mean they'll throttle at peak times, and let it go at non-peak times, so it should be downloading properly just now.

I just e-mailed them, doubt I'll get a reply though.

https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png

2009-04-17 18:00:01

#10

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6763|so randum

always read small print. no such thing as anything free and unlimited.

ps, tiscali sucks dick.

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2009-04-17 18:09:47

#11

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

FatherTed wrote:
always read small print. no such thing as anything free and unlimited.

ps, tiscali sucks dick.

I didn't buy it.

https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png

2009-04-17 18:28:01

#12

Tehremos: Parcel of ol' Crams; +128|6671|Somersetshire

you are truly getting screwed

I'm with Tiscali unlimited which for me is based on 100GB a month (to which If i go over to often they will put me on with high power users like myself during peak times)

Tiscali doesn't suck, shame any and all support they provide does, but the connect is good for me.

Peak times for Tiscali are 6pm - 11pm

Last edited by Tehremos (2009-04-17 18:28:56)

2009-04-17 18:42:09

#13

Tehremos: Parcel of ol' Crams; +128|6671|Somersetshire

That fair usage policy doesn't stop you DL'ing (note that downloading to them includes browsing the interwebs), it's just that if you hog teh bandwidths then you slow over users that don't, so they stick you with the rest of the high users during peak hours.

so it is unlimited, they can just limit how fast you do it.

2009-04-18 10:02:25

#14

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

With fair use and best effort in the fine print you won't really have any legal way. What seems to work with other ISPs is complaining a lot and threatening to change ISP.

Did you enable encryption in the torrent client. That can get around some traffic shaping. There's also the option of a seedbox, a VPN / ssh tunnel but this will cost money.

_{once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.}

2009-04-18 10:07:43

#15

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

I think your issues lie within your torrents rather than your ISP.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-04-18 10:29:03

#16

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6734

Tiscali were one of the first ISP's in the UK to throttle and choke P2P/torrent traffic during peak hours.

They were doing this... 5 years ago, when I was on their 8Mb Unlimited package. You'll really struggle to find a truly 'unlimited' package from any major UK ISP nowadays, because they're all extremely busy/congested and all run for the most part over old-fashioned copperwire and an outdated national BT network with shitty hardware. Servers and bandwidth pipes are all bought from BT Homesale (the semi-nationalised telephony side of BT) and so thus they're a) super-expensive and b) all the ISP's share a lot of bandwidth pipes and peak times gets busy. The only way to achieve unthrottled P2P/torrent speed during peak-times (also commonly referred to as Fair Usage Policy, check your contracts/bills) is to go into the underground-- buy a package from a smalltime ISP that doesn't deal with servicing 5 million people every Saturday afternoon at peak time.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-04-18 10:31:09)

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2009-04-18 11:41:55

#17

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

@Max, I figured. I looked into encrypting, I'll try that now.
@Freezer, I sent Zimmer one of the torrents I was downloading at 0.1kB/s, he got 500kB/s +.
@Uzi, any examples?

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