BF2S Forums Prone delay in 1.5 - Important poll

I voted for .3

What i wrote on the EA forum Poll:
Go back to .3 it was way way better than this stupid .7 delay. it makes the game feel awquad and unresponsive and slows the gameplay down. If people want this then they should go play project reality. To be fair I don't know what you were thinking when touching this part of the game. By doing this you are taking away the unique style of gameplay that is in BF2 and it seems that you are listening to the newcomer type player that only plays 64 man pub tv2 servers that don't really have much skill (don't mean to offend anyone but it's all EA seem to do) rather than listening to the skilled players side of things that actually want to play wars in leagues. Why do you think the competitive side of BF2 nearly dead now ? Because your taking away things that don't need to touched.

Fix bugs and hitreg and possibly even the unbalance between certain vehicles within the game but don't touch stuff thats to do with the movement side of BF2. I would rather have crap reg with .3 delay than play with good reg and a .7 delay.
Am i noob that uses the 'Z' key all the time to get my kills ? NO. Just changing the style of movement restricts certain stuff. such as jumping behind/underneath cover. And surprising people by jumping out round corners. Ofcourse you can do this all without dolphin diving but it makes it slower and to be quite honest less fun.

Mooney.

So yea. KEEP 0.3

Mooney

L.Sammy wrote:

I really don't get people on this forums.

These changes are to stop macro uses, and cheaters, if it dose that the leave the changes alone.

Allot of people talk about skill, OK there is skill involved, thinking about your next move, wheres the enemy, when in the arty going to fall.
That's all using your head and teamwork to win a round. But don't tell me that pressing space bar and z really fast is skill. Its called reflexes.

Also, to all the people that think skill comes in the form of an AHK file, your wrong, also having a really good hit-reg is not skill, its you being a luck bastard. If you can take the m11 and kill a whole squad without leaving the ground, then IL call you skilled, but not jump shoot, jump shoot, That's just reflexes.


I would put money on it, that alot of the "SKILLED" players, heli, i/o, are macro users, and if the delay can stop a hotkey working then im all for it.

or instead why not disable macro's for bf2. im sure they can do it. Cheaters ? nothing really to do with dolphin diving i sorta get what you mean. Maybe i just hate change by just played about another 2 hours of IO and i can't get my head round it. I did say its some sort of skill but i agree with you. It isn't skill but i do think it can help a player getting kills or going for cover. Everyone is able to do it. whether they choose not too is something that bugs me. I think if people were just said to the guys who moan "all of you can do it so why complain, all you had to do is press 'z' in mid air" then maybe there would be less moaning. It's like bunnyhopping in bf2. They didn't put a jump button in bf2 for nothing and everyone can do it, so why should people have to rage about every little thing because they get killed by some 'bunnyhopping dolphin diving shitter'

Not ranting on at you it's something that has always bugged me as to why people complain about the little things

L.Sammy wrote:

I would put money on it, that alot of the "SKILLED" players, heli, i/o, are macro users, and if the delay can stop a hotkey working then im all for it.

Hardly anyone at all uses macros for those, and if they did, chances are they dont do well anyway. Im sure more people use macros for commanding (spotting is a pain in the ass) and a "spot hotkey" for a joystick

EDIT: Macros can only really speed up TV missile clicking... The other things you mention are ridiculously easy to do without macros

Last edited by Wallpaper (2009-04-24 16:04:38)

L.Sammy wrote:

Have you ever had a read of the autohat key forums?

Yes. Tell me this: do you use the scroll wheel to select different weapons?

So from the noobs that hate the delay, I guess you're the same ones that would like jumping removed from Counter-Strike because god forbid it could be a macro.

Fucking noobs.  I'm gonna make a bet you noobs complain that .7 is too little and it should be increased.  Hell, I tried the beta patch out and I was STILL owning people that said the prone/jump spammers would get crushed.  Little do they know, they just suck, not us.

Nyte wrote:

So from the noobs that hate the delay, I guess you're the same ones that would like jumping removed from Counter-Strike because god forbid it could be a macro.

Fucking noobs.  I'm gonna make a bet you noobs complain that .7 is too little and it should be increased.  Hell, I tried the beta patch out and I was STILL owning people that said the prone/jump spammers would get crushed.  Little do they know, they just suck, not us.

Ok i hurt someones feelings, I didn't call anyone a noob for prone-jumping. I also didn't say we should have the delay. I said, IL write it in lay-mans terms, "People that use macros are cheats, and EA is adding the delays to counter the macro".

And CS is total shit.

Now dry your eyes and go play.

Last edited by L.Sammy (2009-04-24 16:26:01)

They may be lazy, but using a macro for those things give them absolutely no advantage, especially with a jump-prone delay

Thats what im saying, with the delay, your as fast as the next person. I jump prone, everyone dose, its built in to how we all play the game.

I agree the delay is'nt the best thing for the game ether, but my point is, if the delays can stop anything that give someone the unfair upper hand then its cool by me.

Heres another way to see it, hitreg is judged by your connection, im in ireland and there is NO servers near me. So i have a crappy hitreg on must servers, i cant jump-prone and shoot because it dosent work for me. So the person with a great hitreg jump-prones all over the map and is killing every thing in his wake, lucky him. How do i beat that?.....

The delay will give me a small chance of hitting my target .

L.Sammy wrote:

I really don't get people on this forums.

These changes are to stop macro uses, and cheaters, if it dose that the leave the changes alone.

Allot of people talk about skill, OK there is skill involved, thinking about your next move, wheres the enemy, when in the arty going to fall.
That's all using your head and teamwork to win a round. But don't tell me that pressing space bar and z really fast is skill. Its called reflexes.

Also, to all the people that think skill comes in the form of an AHK file, your wrong, also having a really good hit-reg is not skill, its you being a luck bastard. If you can take the m11 and kill a whole squad without leaving the ground, then IL call you skilled, but not jump shoot, jump shoot, That's just reflexes.


I would put money on it, that alot of the "SKILLED" players, heli, i/o, are macro users, and if the delay can stop a hotkey working then im all for it.

That's like saying pro CS gamers aren't "skilled" because they have crazy reflexes and hand-eye coordination.



Those two skill-sets are the staple of FPS gaming.

Also, who has prone set to the Z key? Honestly.

Last edited by DefCon-17 (2009-04-24 20:26:36)

I think the reason to why most people dont like this new delay is because they are used to the old delay.... as in people crying that they cant pull of their old dolphindiving/pronespamming/bunnyhopping escape movements as they wished... if im gona be honest, it should have been .7 delay all the time as .3 is to fast, messes up the hitreg, is totally unrealistic.... its funny because if this new delay was there all the time and the new delay would be .3 instead, then people would whine even more.......  Realism does not ruin games, but to much of it really does ruin it and some stuff should be obvious to stay more realistic, like people jumping and faceplanting themselves and shooting like if they were Ninjas should not be possible... this move doesnt even exist on the most Unrealistic FPS games, not even on Unreal Tournament, Doom 3, Quake 3 u name it... Not only because its unrealistic, but because it moves the model vertically/horizontally of the true model and brings stupid inconsistancy to the Hitreg... hence why we see alot of bad hitreg / dustshots in the game....

I say let it be .7 if it improves Hitreg, i wont miss dolphindiving...

Last edited by Silent-BuIIeT (2009-04-24 21:04:51)

Silent-BuIIeT wrote:

I say let it be .7 if it improves Hitreg, i wont miss dolphindiving...

You've never experienced dolphin diving given you started playing on 1.41. Going prone in mid air isn't dolphin diving.

L.Sammy wrote:

I really don't get people on this forums.

These changes are to stop macro uses, and cheaters, if it dose that the leave the changes alone.

Allot of people talk about skill, OK there is skill involved, thinking about your next move, wheres the enemy, when in the arty going to fall.
That's all using your head and teamwork to win a round. But don't tell me that pressing space bar and z really fast is skill. Its called reflexes.

Also, to all the people that think skill comes in the form of an AHK file, your wrong, also having a really good hit-reg is not skill, its you being a luck bastard. If you can take the m11 and kill a whole squad without leaving the ground, then IL call you skilled, but not jump shoot, jump shoot, That's just reflexes.


I would put money on it, that alot of the "SKILLED" players, heli, i/o, are macro users, and if the delay can stop a hotkey working then im all for it.

I can pretty confidently tell you that macros would offer absolutely no advantage on IO. The movment in bf2 is so slow absolutely nobody would need a macro for anything