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Kmarion wrote:

Feds: Teen's not being held under Patriot Act

Posted: May. 7 5:04 p.m.
Updated: Today at 9:22 a.m.

Raleigh, N.C. — The U.S. Department of Justice said Thursday a local mother's claim that her son is being held under the USA Patriot Act is incorrect.

Annette Lundeby told WRAL News on April 29 that her 16-year-old son, Ashton Lundeby, is being held at a juvenile facility in South Bend, Ind., on a criminal complaint that he made a bomb threat from his Oxford home on the night of Feb. 15.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/5105258/

Responding after nationwide media attention following the story, the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Indiana said in a news release that the charge is based on federal law prohibiting bomb and death threats.

    “This charge is unrelated to the Patriot Act,” U.S. Attorney David Capp said.

    Capp and the FBI initially declined to talk about the case, citing a gag order and law that prohibits disclosure of information in federal cases involving juveniles.

    But in Thursday’s release, he said, the arrest stems from a false bomb threat directed at Perdue University and similar threats to other schools.
Capp and the FBI initially declined to talk about the case, citing a gag order and law that prohibits disclosure of information in federal cases involving juveniles.


OOOPS

Bloggers, TV, Go Nuts Over Misleading ‘Patriot Act’ Arrest Claim
It’s the false TV news report heard ’round the world. Raleigh, North Carolina’s WRAL-5 reported last week that a 16-year-old bomb hoax suspect was hauled out of his mother’s home by federal agents, and is now being held without any legal rights on the authority of the 2001 USA PATRIOT Act, which “supersedes the Constitution.”

This tale of injustice has since shown up on Drudge, Digg, Reddit, and a thousand blogs and shoot-from-the-hip mailing lists. The boy’s name is rising on the Google Trends index. Radio show host Alex Jones interviewed the boy’s mother on Tuesday, and pundits on the left and right are seizing on the story to rail against the government’s unfettered power to make an innocent citizen disappear at will. Some outraged reports are claiming the teenager hasn’t even been charged with a crime.

The arrest of the teenager is real enough. FBI agents investigating a February 15 bomb hoax that evacuated the mechanical engineering building at Purdue University traced the phone call to the juvenile’s Oxford, North Carolina home, served his mother with a search warrant and arrested the teen. They issued a press release about it, omitting the suspect’s name. That was on March 5, and he’s been held without bail in Indiana ever since.

The claim that the boy is a victim of USA PATRIOT, though, appears to have been cut from whole cloth. While there’s plenty to criticize in that post-9/11 law, it doesn’t contain any provision that abrogates a defendant’s right to a trial. It’s also not responsible for making it illegal to phone in a bomb threat. That’s been a federal crime since 1939.

The boy’s mother, Annette Lundeby, has even acknowledged in interviews that her son has been formally charged, has a court-appointed attorney, and has already made appearances in front of a judge. No military tribunals here. On Alex Jones, Lundeby seemed to more-or-less admit that the USA PATRIOT connection was something she dreamed up on her own.

    Jones: And they said they are charging him under the Patriot Act, so –

    Lundeby: They’re not saying that, but that’s exactly what they’re doing.

    Jones: Well, it’s in the newspaper.

    Lundeby: All their actions point towards that. But they don’t deny it either.

It’s impossible not to empathize with this woman — a widow who saw her boy taken by rough federal agents and whisked to another state. Lundeby didn’t return a call from Threat Level, but she’s said she believes her son is innocent, and that he was with her, in church, at the time of the hoax. She says hackers framed her son by hijacking his internet IP address for a VOIP phone call to Purdue.

Caller ID spoofing seems more likely, if he really was framed. We’re not in a position to weigh the feds’ case, because — as in every federal prosecution of a minor — the file is under seal. That, too, has nothing to do with USA PATRIOT: It’s a provision of federal law intended to give juvenile defendants a clean slate when they reach adulthood.

And that’s the potential irony of the bogus reporting around this case. If the boy has the airtight alibi his mother describes, we’ll eventually know it: no prosecutor will take a case like that to trial, and some federal agents will rightfully find themselves in hot water. The feds have had the teenager’s computer for months, and they certainly know by now whether they have the right guy or not.

But if he’s guilty, he’ll cop a plea or lose at trial. And then everyone whose been spinning this case into a tale of federal storm troopers abusing a draconian anti-terror law will have succeeded only in denying a 16-year-old boy the fresh start that the justice system would have given him.

Either way, the USA PATRIOT Act still won’t trump the Constitution.
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I think that a great possibility is that the feds went looking through the law books to pin something on this kid after a shit storm was raised over the Patriot Act thing.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-05-08 09:43:39)

Kmar
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More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.

Do you realize the whole Patriot Act thing WAS NEVER cited?.. except by the mom.
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Superior Mind
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Kmarion wrote:

More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.
All I'm saying is that it is possible that the feds original wanted to try out the Patriot Act a little bit on this kid, but then when the fuss happened, they changed their minds and went with a solid law. I didn't mean they literally went looking through the law books.

Kmarion wrote:

More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.

Do you realize the whole Patriot Act thing WAS NEVER cited?.. except by the mom.
Oh. Well, then my post was just speculation in a what if scenario.

In this case the Patriot Act was used as a way for the mom to turn the tides of crime on the government.

Last edited by Superior Mind (2009-05-08 09:52:06)

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Kmarion wrote:

More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.

Do you realize the whole Patriot Act thing WAS NEVER cited?.. except by the mom.
ssshhhhhhhhh! That doesn't help the whiners.
Kmar
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There is absolutely no foundation for your specualtion. .. other than the mom saying "well, they didn't say it wasn't the Patriot act".. srsly? lol

He was charged right away and given everything he was entitled to.

The boy’s mother, Annette Lundeby, has even acknowledged in interviews that her son has been formally charged, has a court-appointed attorney, and has already made appearances in front of a judge. No military tribunals here. On Alex Jones, Lundeby seemed to more-or-less admit that the USA PATRIOT connection was something she dreamed up on her own.
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Kmar
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Annette Lundeby said Thursday afternoon she had assumed federal agents arrested her son under the Patriot Act based on jackets they wore that read "Terrorist Task Force" and because they have given her no information about the case.


And btw his mom has already confirmed her son's identity as the person who made the bomb threats.
I heard the prank phone calls he made,” says Annette Lundeby of Oxford. “They were really funny prank phone calls…. He made phone calls to, like, Walmart.”

Annette Lundeby told Raleigh, North Carolina’s WRAL TV that her son was being unfairly held under the USA Patriot Act.

Lundeby confirmed that her son was known online as “Tyrone,” a celebrity in a prank-calling community that grew late last year out of the trouble-making “/b/” board on 4chan. Using the VOIP conferencing software Ventrilo, as many as 300 listeners would gather on a server run by Tyrone to listen to him and other amateur voice actors make often-crude and racist phone calls, some of which are archived on YouTube. The broadcasts were organized through websites like PartyVanPranks.com.
He was even making money off of the bomb threats..
A former fan of Tyrone’s work helped lead the police to Lundeby’s son after the boy allegedly moved beyond pranks this year and began accepting donations from students eager to miss a day of school. In exchange for a little money, Tyrone would phone in a bomb threat that would shutter the donor’s school for a day.
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Just check out the facts K laid out to the OP. Truth stretches real far.
Diesel_dyk
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Its great that this story caused a public shit storm over the Patriot Act. May be now the politicians will have the political capital to revoke this piece of shit legislation.

On another let's leave 9/11 behind story... they are reopening the Statute of Liberty, hoorah!!! May be the psychological terror perpetuated by the supporters of the patriot act is finally coming to an end.... I wonder what the terror alert level is at now /sarcasm. I guess I can finally throw away my Guilliani brand bio terror masking tape />sarcasm.
Kmar
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Lundeby was arrested under a 70 year old law that makes it a Federal crime to use telecommunications equipment to make interstate bomb threats.

Punked, says even the "civil liberties-oriented bloggers".
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Superior Mind
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Kmarion wrote:

Annette Lundeby said Thursday afternoon she had assumed federal agents arrested her son under the Patriot Act based on jackets they wore that read "Terrorist Task Force" and because they have given her no information about the case.


And btw his mom has already confirmed her son's identity as the person who made the bomb threats.
I heard the prank phone calls he made,” says Annette Lundeby of Oxford. “They were really funny prank phone calls…. He made phone calls to, like, Walmart.”

Annette Lundeby told Raleigh, North Carolina’s WRAL TV that her son was being unfairly held under the USA Patriot Act.

Lundeby confirmed that her son was known online as “Tyrone,” a celebrity in a prank-calling community that grew late last year out of the trouble-making “/b/” board on 4chan. Using the VOIP conferencing software Ventrilo, as many as 300 listeners would gather on a server run by Tyrone to listen to him and other amateur voice actors make often-crude and racist phone calls, some of which are archived on YouTube. The broadcasts were organized through websites like PartyVanPranks.com.
He was even making money off of the bomb threats..
A former fan of Tyrone’s work helped lead the police to Lundeby’s son after the boy allegedly moved beyond pranks this year and began accepting donations from students eager to miss a day of school. In exchange for a little money, Tyrone would phone in a bomb threat that would shutter the donor’s school for a day.

I wrote:

Oh. Well, then my post was just speculation in a what if scenario.

In this case the Patriot Act was used as a way for the mom to turn the tides of crime on the government.
I agreed with you, bro.
Kmar
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I would be upset if the FBI had the information they did (provided by a friend) and did nothing..

[Jason] Bennett didn’t hear the Purdue call, but he says he heard Tyrone admit to that bomb threat later, and decided enough was enough. He contacted university police and began helping them get the goods on “Tyrone.”

The case came to a head the night of March 5, when Tyrone made a series of rapid-fire bomb threats against five different schools around the United States. Bennett recorded the calls.

“This is a warning to every staff, student and anybody else who may be in the school tomorrow afternoon at 11:00 a.m.,” the caller is heard saying in a voicemail message for Mill Valley High School in Shawnee, Kansas.
[...]
When Tyrone signed off, Bennett immediately put the recording on his own web server and provided a link to a Purdue University police detective working the case, who shared it with the FBI. Police warned the schools that very night that the calls were hoaxes, and the FBI — armed with a search warrant and a criminal complaint — swooped in on Annette Lundeby’s home at 10:00 p.m., seized computers and arrested her son.
His buddy "Bennett" ratted him out also. He forced the evacuation of those buildings, and the fact that he was doing it "for donations" makes it even worse.
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LOL @ small town beat reporter who just got slapped
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Kmarion wrote:

Lundeby was arrested under a 70 year old law that makes it a Federal crime to use telecommunications equipment to make interstate bomb threats.

Punked, says even the "civil liberties-oriented bloggers".
^^^ agreed

But, the backlash on this shows that the public does not or no longer supports the Patriot Act. People have gone from scared over 9/11 to angry over how they were duped by neo-cons and now they are looking for excuses, including this punks story, to reclaim their civil liberties.

I believe that this mothers cry resonated with the public just as the cries of mothers in the 1950s during the Civil Defense Protests where mandatory nuclear bomb emergency drills that required people to get off the street and shelter were ultimately defeated by mothers taking their babies to the parks in defiance of the pysch warfare drills performed on the American public. This woman may be a liar but she tapped into something that would have went no where 7 or 8 years ago and that shows a huge public shift on this subject.

The whole neo-con crowd has lost all crediblity with the public and basically the public has its own anti-neo-con check list
no gitmo, check
no waterboarding, check

Next is no patriot act
then no iraq war
then no afgan war
Kmar
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Not limited to Neo-Cons tbh. Barack Obama supported and voted yes on the 2006 extension of the Patriot Act.
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Diesel_dyk
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Kmarion wrote:

Not limited to Neo-Cons tbh. Barack Obama supported and voted yes on the 2006 extension of the Patriot Act.
Agreed
Its just easier to hate Cheney
Lotta_Drool
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I hope they throw the Mother in Gitmo under the Patriot Act for being a tool.
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Mutantbear wrote:

I don't believe in guns

what a dumb statement, you could say I don't want my kids shooting or handling guns but I don't want them in my house because I don't believe in them.
That was a retarded statement. If this boy is home-schooled by his mom, can't say much for his education.
The fact she does not believe in guns but believes someone hacked their computer IP (the video points to internet phone) kinda leads me to believe she is clueless.

We don't know the severity of the threats and there is a gag order on the case. For the Feds to come out, it had to be pretty bad and consistent threat.
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Kmarion wrote:

More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.

Do you realize the whole Patriot Act thing WAS NEVER cited?.. except by the mom.
Which is why the title to the OP is what it is.
Note that the OP is not some diatribe on the misuses of federal power. There are questions I asked.

It provides the information that was available the day it became news, doesn't go much beyond that.

Rather than " showing the OP the business " what kman did, most expertly mind you, is counterpoint the initial blood in the water type reporting with the actual facts.

So, if this current information is correct then the kid deserves to be punished. It doesn't rise to the level of bomb making, but making terrorist threats for profit is srs business.
Kmar
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Diesel_dyk wrote:

Its great that this story caused a public shit storm over the Patriot Act. May be now the politicians will have the political capital to revoke this piece of shit legislation.
Crying wolf could also have the opposite affect... which btw, it's not that I think the Federal government is incapable of abusing civil liberties. It's one of the reason I am against a consolidated and powerful Fed.
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Kmar
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An Australian college student who told Wired News that he tipped off the FBI about Ashton said Annette Lundeby knew exactly what her son was doing.(Jason)

He was charging $5 a peice to make the bomb threats and the mom knew? Jesus .. Mother of the year.
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Diesel_dyk
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Kmarion wrote:

Diesel_dyk wrote:

Its great that this story caused a public shit storm over the Patriot Act. May be now the politicians will have the political capital to revoke this piece of shit legislation.
Crying wolf could also have the opposite affect...
True enough, he won't be the poster child for civil liberties that's for sure
If he was selling his expert hacking services [/sarcasm] for 5 bucks a crack, I wonder how people were paying him, untraceable paypal??? lolz
Looks like his mama will be going to jail too if she knew what he was doing. Still makes me wonder if the mother was kept from her son because she is likely to be charged. Also anyone who paid this kid would also be charged.

Ahh sixteen year old freah meat for the jail house.
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ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

More like hysteria.. He made a bomb threat. Something that has been a federal crime since 1939. What excatly would they have to "go looking through the law books" for? It's an entertaining and yet ridiculous thought.

Do you realize the whole Patriot Act thing WAS NEVER cited?.. except by the mom.
Which is why the title to the OP is what it is.
Note that the OP is not some diatribe on the misuses of federal power. There are questions I asked.

It provides the information that was available the day it became news, doesn't go much beyond that.

Rather than " showing the OP the business " what kman did, most expertly mind you, is counterpoint the initial blood in the water type reporting with the actual facts.

So, if this current information is correct then the kid deserves to be punished. It doesn't rise to the level of bomb making, but making terrorist threats for profit is srs business.
So you're saying the kid wasn't denied his civil liberties and the Constitution was "the law of the land"?

Just to be clear, ofc.
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