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@Everyone saying Barca are the better team because they play entertaining football, attack a lot, blah blah, here's an article for you. This was printed before the game, mind you. Oliver Holt says it way beter than I can.
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
oh well, that's football for you. The FA cup is still there, and I'm looking forward to raping that Arsenal scum this week-end.
Yes, I am a Chelsea fan, but I can honestly say that I think Chelsea were by far the best team yesterday. If only Dorgba had been better in front of goal, we would've won comfortably, even with that pathetic ref...I would rather watch Lionel Messi than any other footballer. I love his feints, his changes of pace, his mesmeric close control and his fantastic dribbling.
I think Iniesta’s brilliant, too. He’s clever and neat and incisive. He can pick the passes others don’t seem to see.
Then there’s Xavi. His vision and his passing make him a joy to watch. He’s about as classy as a midfielder gets.
And Thierry Henry. He still has such grace and elegance, such speed and beautiful movement.
So I love to watch the current Barcelona team as much as anyone.
I understand why the Scottish chap I met at the Nou Camp last week has become a Barcelona member and makes the trip over from Glasgow as often as he can.
I understand why he got his laminated membership card out of his wallet and showed it to me as if it was a religious relic. I like everything about the club, too. I like its style, its commitment to attacking football, the fact it doesn’t sell its shirt to sponsors, its history of independence.But what I don’t buy is the idea that because Barcelona play attractive football, that gives them some sort of moral right to win the Champions League this season.
And what I can’t accept is that Chelsea should be castigated for having the temerity to try to make things uncomfortable for their opponents in both legs of their semi-final. Because if this Barcelona team is truly a great side then it will find a way to get past Guus Hiddink’s men.By the end of tonight’s second leg, they will have had 180 minutes, maybe more, to prove they are the better team. And if that is not enough, then they do not deserve all the accolades already being being hung around their necks in garlands.
It’s not enough to dazzle against flawed sides with an excuse of a defence as Barcelona did at the weekend when they destroyed Real Madrid 6-2 in the Bernabeu.
If Pep Guardiola’s side is to be considered among the elite, it has to turn on the style against the awkward squad, too.
The very best teams find a way. Think of Manchester United against Juventus in Turin in their Champions League semi-final second leg in 1999.
Think of what Roy Keane did that night and ask yourself if Barcelona have somebody who could seize the game like he did.
Because it is not necessarily enough to have a team packed with sublime attacking talents like Messi (left), Henry, Iniesta and Eto’o. A great team has a great defence, too, and often a great defensive midfielder. And a brilliant goalkeeper.And I found as much beauty and as much to admire in Keane’s performance that night in the Stadio delle Alpi as I have found in any of Messi’s displays.
And while we’re at it, I found great dignity and great courage in the performances of John Terry and Michael Essien in the Nou Camp last Tuesday.
Frank Lampard is up there with Xavi and Iniesta among the world’s best midfielders and Didier Drogba, now he’s decided to try again, is as fearsome as any forward.
So to cast Barcelona and Chelsea as stereotypes at opposite ends of football’s spectrum is a crass error.
Barcelona may be a beautiful side to watch when playing against teams who are not well organised defensively.
But if they cannot beat Chelsea at Stamford Bridge tonight, they will remain a collection of brilliant individuals that make up a fundamentally flawed team.
Chelsea will not simply stand aside. They will not lightly give up their chance of atoning for their heartbreaking defeat in last year’s final.
If Barcelona beat them, we can applaud and hail a side that found a way to beat the most obdurate opposition.
But if Chelsea stand firm, they should get the plaudits they deserve and the recognition that the better team won.
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
oh well, that's football for you. The FA cup is still there, and I'm looking forward to raping that Arsenal scum this week-end.
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Dorgba?
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D:Varegg wrote:
Dorgba?
I find all this talk in the media of match-fixing pretty hilarious, if it turns out that the match was actually fixed then this referee has to be the worst referee ever... who sends a player off the team they are trying to fix the match for when there was absolutely no reason to do so? Doesn't really tie in with all the conspiracy theories.
Chelsea let in a goal to a ten man side after missing countless opportunities to kill the game... they lost the game, it wasn't taken from them. The wrongful red card pretty much balanced out the penalty claims that were in actual fact possible penalties, maybe Snoop-Drog will learn to stop crying wolf now?
Chelsea let in a goal to a ten man side after missing countless opportunities to kill the game... they lost the game, it wasn't taken from them. The wrongful red card pretty much balanced out the penalty claims that were in actual fact possible penalties, maybe Snoop-Drog will learn to stop crying wolf now?
I'd much rather have a couple of penalties and end the game vs 11 Barca players.Braddock wrote:
I find all this talk in the media of match-fixing pretty hilarious, if it turns out that the match was actually fixed then this referee has to be the worst referee ever... who sends a player off the team they are trying to fix the match for when there was absolutely no reason to do so? Doesn't really tie in with all the conspiracy theories.
Chelsea let in a goal to a ten man side after missing countless opportunities to kill the game... they lost the game, it wasn't taken from them. The wrongful red card pretty much balanced out the penalty claims that were in actual fact possible penalties, maybe Snoop-Drog will learn to stop crying wolf now?
That's as may be but there's no denying that both teams were hard done by.Jenspm wrote:
I'd much rather have a couple of penalties and end the game vs 11 Barca players.Braddock wrote:
I find all this talk in the media of match-fixing pretty hilarious, if it turns out that the match was actually fixed then this referee has to be the worst referee ever... who sends a player off the team they are trying to fix the match for when there was absolutely no reason to do so? Doesn't really tie in with all the conspiracy theories.
Chelsea let in a goal to a ten man side after missing countless opportunities to kill the game... they lost the game, it wasn't taken from them. The wrongful red card pretty much balanced out the penalty claims that were in actual fact possible penalties, maybe Snoop-Drog will learn to stop crying wolf now?
OIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!! What the fuck!!!Varegg wrote:
FixedBabb Master Flash wrote:
So fuck off Chelsea, fuck off Drogba, fuck off Molde, fuck off Vålerenga and fuck off Barca. Manchester United For Ever!!!
Bitter much?Jenspm wrote:
Yes, I am a Chelsea fan, but I can honestly say that I think Chelsea were by far the best team yesterday. If only Dorgba had been better in front of goal, we would've won comfortably, even with that pathetic ref...
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
oh well, that's football for you. The FA cup is still there, and I'm looking forward to raping that Arsenal scum this week-end.
Playing extremely well means that you actually have ball possession, something which Chelsea majorly lacked last night. Granted, I never expected Barcelona to pull of an injury time beauty, and I thought it was all lost, and Chelsea did a stupendous job at defending and played one of their better games, and granted as well, the referee had a bad match, but to claim that Chelsea were "by far the best team" is going a bit far. Even the commentators afterwards, even though they were baffled at the ref, accepted that the BEST team went through. Another Chelsea - Man final? No thanks.
But look at it this way. It would have never been like this if the first leg had had some decent refereeing as well. Henry should have had a penalty (if you think Drogba's fall from Abidal should have been, then so should have Henry's), and you should have lost your most prominent midfielder (Ballack, for slapping Iniesta on the face when breaking through, it should have been another yellow for the guy). Now, yes, Chelsea got denied 2 penalties, not 4, or 6, or 25. The clearest was Piques handball, but from the referees angled (which was shown) it actually looked as if it hit his chest. Sure, it was his mistake, but the referee has the final word. The other one was the Drogba fall - But put it this way, the douche had already dived several times and the referee was taking not shit from him, so what do you expect when he falls again in the box? Sure, he got tugged and Abidal's leg did wrap around him at one point, but he is BIG GUY, he fell so easily it was pathetic. The guy could have stayed up and most likely scored, he chose to go with the flow and fall, and he lost out. Malouda's was NOT A PENALTY. It just wasn't. It's the most ridiculous claim you can make. The foul started outside the box, the referee gave advantage and then whistled for the freekick. I think it was a completely appropriate decision, and Malouda is a fucking pussy for falling over against Alves (something which he did several times when he knew he was going to lose the ball). The final Eto'o block/half hand ball was such an iffy decision to make. Sometimes it gets whistled and sometimes it doesn't. In this case, it was the referees decision completely and he did what he thought was correct. I have no opinion on it because I am not a ref, but it was a 50/50 option.
There was an article somewhere about this whole thing, and then it counter argued it by saying how the referee allowed a lot of strong and punishable tackles from Chelsea to go unnoticed (Messi running past Malouda on edge of box, Ashley tugging Messi, Iniesta getting floored by Ballack). Sure, clearly Chelsea had the worst luck, but football is football, and until UEFA get their heads out of their asses and add Camera decisions, it's going to stay like that for a long time.
Chelsea's behaviour at the end was just utterly unnacceptable, and whoever tries to justify it is a complete moron. You don't act like that, ever. Sure, it's painful losing like that and sure they were hard done by, but acting like a bunch of babies and saying some outrageous stuff on the TV is not cool. I hope they get seriously fined, because that was a real bad case of "bad loser syndrome". Ballack better apologise soon, or Chelsea will get even more raped.
Added to all that, the dicks that are Chelsea fans start giving death threats to the referee. Wow. How utterly pathetic. And guess what? You've done it before. Anders Frisk, 4 years ago, against Barcelona at Stamford Bridge, when you lost 2-1. You guys are a bunch of bad losers, you really really are.
Chelsea lost. Barcelona are through. Get over it.
Just no. If you have 30% possession and score 5 goals and don't concede a single goal, you play extremely well. All it means is that the other team are good at keeping the ball and doing fuck all with it. Sure if you can keep more possession than your opposition that's great, but it is how you utilise the ball that matters. What you're trying to imply is true some of the time, but that statement on its own, is utter bullshit.Playing extremely well means that you actually have ball possession
Omg hahaha you're funnyhe fell so easily it was pathetic.
Seriously? nah you must be joking.
You're a barca fan, your players dive around all over the place...Messi and Alves (who's the biggest cry baby by the way, if you're going to keep throwing insults at Chelsea players) being the worst cases. Stop being a hypocrite.
Errrr no. There were 2 fouls, one outside the box when he was pushing Malouda all over the place, and then the foul on the line where Malouda tried to cut back inside and was blocked by Alves, THAT is what the ref blew for, there was no advantage played in the first place, if the foul started outside the box why did the ref give the free kick 1 inch next to the line....Think before you type your BS.Malouda's was NOT A PENALTY. It just wasn't. It's the most ridiculous claim you can make. The foul started outside the box, the referee gave advantage and then whistled for the freekick. I think it was a completely appropriate decisio
Nice try though, attempting to pass off false facts in a wall of text. The truth is that the ref wasn't sure weather it was a inside the box, so he bottled it and gave a free kick, yet it was so damn clear that the foul occured on the line, which is counted as inside the box, so it was a pen.
Pique hand ball, 100% a pen, Eto'o handball, Ok it was 50/50 but his hand were way above his hips, where they shouldn't be, pen IMO.
No no no, and just no. Drogba swearing on TV? I agree fine the fucker, what a terrible thing to do.Chelsea's behaviour at the end was just utterly unnacceptable, and whoever tries to justify it is a complete moron. You don't act like that, ever. Sure, it's painful losing like that and sure they were hard done by, but acting like a bunch of babies and saying some outrageous stuff on the TV is not cool. I hope they get seriously fined, because that was a real bad case of "bad loser syndrome". Ballack better apologise soon, or Chelsea will get even more raped.
But how many times have you seen teams surround the ref after a match? Numerous times every week, in every league across the world, but because this was a big match and the media blew the whole situation out of proportion, you fall for it just like the rest of the suckers, and all of a sudden what Chelsea is horribly unacceptable, oh noes.
Players doing their best to get to the Champions league final, the Crème de la crème of football something they worked their whole life for, were robbed by a fat Norwegian Cunt, by denying them at least 2 clear penalties, they have every right to express their horror at the situation. It was all completely justifiable apart from what Drogba did.
Oh and Please, don't be so ignorant. I watch Barcelona every now and then, and they are up their with the worst teams when it comes to surrounding refs when decisions don't go their way (especially at the camp Nou), ask any football expert if you don't agree with me. So this coming from a Barca fan just makes me lol.
Ballack apologise for what, he didn't do anything wrong. He chased the ref, got booked, and that's it...it happens all the time. Oh but because all the guys on TV are talking about it, he should apologise right? hahahaha.
Generalisation much?Added to all that, the dicks that are Chelsea fans start giving death threats to the referee. Wow. How utterly pathetic. And guess what? You've done it before. Anders Frisk, 4 years ago, against Barcelona at Stamford Bridge, when you lost 2-1. You guys are a bunch of bad losers, you really really are.
You are calling all Chelsea fans dicks and bad losers, because of the actions of a few guys who are cunts, and are completely out of our control?
Good one Zimmer, nice logic there mate...Think before you post, it helps.
It seems you are a tad bitter that Bacelona's spotlight was taken away slightly, by what most football fans agree, was daylight robbery (Including Chesea haters)Bitter much?
I am very much over it, but I couldn't help but reply to your crap. Oh and notice how I tried to start off my points with condescending punch line, just like you always do, it's so cool.
I know fucking karate
Fail. Just fail.justice wrote:
Just no. If you have 30% possession and score 5 goals and don't concede a single goal, you play extremely well. All it means is that the other team are good at keeping the ball and doing fuck all with it. Sure if you can keep more possession than your opposition that's great, but it is how you utilise the ball that matters. What you're trying to imply is true some of the time, but that statement on its own, is utter bullshit.
I said that simply because in most cases it's true. Did Chelsea score five goals? No. Therefore, that statement remains correct for this match. Attack is the best form of defense, and sure, Barcelona were horrible up front, with a "no show" from Eto'o and a missing Henry, but Chelsea scored 1. Not 2, not 3, not 4, and certainly not 5. Did they utilise the ball when it mattered? No. So what you just said there was lol.
You know, it really is funny that people love stating those things. Please, feel free to show me ONE incident in the entire two legs where Messi dived. I would love to see something, because I know for a fact he didn't. So keep your mouth shut when you have no evidence stating otherwise.Omg hahaha you're funny
Seriously? nah you must be joking.
You're a barca fan, your players dive around all over the place...Messi and Alves (who's the biggest cry baby by the way, if you're going to keep throwing insults at Chelsea players) being the worst cases. Stop being a hypocrite.
Insults at players? Drogba is hated even by his own fans. The guy is a bigger cry baby than Alves. He's big and he can handle himself, but when he loses the ball or knows he's going to get tackled, he flails around like a big buffoon (example: tackle by Yaya in the box and tackle by Pique).
Alves was shocking on both legs, and he was pathetic. His game was terrible and he couldn't muster the strength of some of the Chelsea players, so he cried. I never said anything about Alves or said otherwise, so nice job on trying to say something that I already knew. GG.
I like this part. This is the part where you start losing your panties.Errrr no. There were 2 fouls, one outside the box when he was pushing Malouda all over the place, and then the foul on the line where Malouda tried to cut back inside and was blocked by Alves, THAT is what the ref blew for, there was no advantage played in the first place, if the foul started outside the box why did the ref give the free kick 1 inch next to the line....Think before you type your BS.
Nice try though, attempting to pass off false facts in a wall of text. The truth is that the ref wasn't sure weather it was a inside the box, so he bottled it and gave a free kick, yet it was so damn clear that the foul occured on the line, which is counted as inside the box, so it was a pen.
Errrr yes. The fact is, it was a soft tackle and called for nothing more than for it to be taken back as a free kick. If everyone started claiming and getting penalties like that, it would be mayhem on the pitch.
I just love it how you try and accuse me of lying or falsefying facts to hide your anger at this. Cry more.
lol?But how many times have you seen teams surround the ref after a match? Numerous times every week, in every league across the world, but because this was a big match and the media blew the whole situation out of proportion, you fall for it just like the rest of the suckers, and all of a sudden what Chelsea is horribly unacceptable, oh noes.
Players doing their best to get to the Champions league final, the Crème de la crème of football something they worked their whole life for, were robbed by a fat Norwegian Cunt, by denying them at least 2 clear penalties, they have every right to express their horror at the situation. It was all completely justifiable apart from what Drogba did.
I never said surrounding the referee was unnacceptable or bad. Ballack was out of line with the way he chased the ref, he knows it and so does everybody else. It's fine to surround the ref during a game, but to come up afterwards and start shouting at the guy? That's where it gets stupid. The game is over, you lost, now go cry to your mum, because the ref isn't exactly going to restart the match now, is he? Damn you seriously fail at arguing back. Let them express their horror, in a dignified fashion. Flailing your arms around and pointing agressively at the ref whilst shouting things is not dignified nor should it be allowed. I don't recall a single time in the ENTIRE MATCH when the referee was surrounded by Barcelona players or Chelsea players other than the sending off of Abidal.... Oh, and the stupid Malouda incident. Argue with the ref on the pitch, even though it still wont make a slight difference. Starting to insult him afterwards? No. Just no. I haven't watched the media regarding the Chelsea shit. I opinionated on it from what I saw. So please, when you're going to blurt out comments like that, make sure you know what you're saying.
This also makes me lol. Your utter inability to argue a point makes you need to refer to something which wasn't even discussed or pointed out, nor was it disagreed on.Oh and Please, don't be so ignorant. I watch Barcelona every now and then, and they are up their with the worst teams when it comes to surrounding refs when decisions don't go their way (especially at the camp Nou), ask any football expert if you don't agree with me. So this coming from a Barca fan just makes me lol.
I never said Barcelona don't, and I wont. I know Barcelona are infamous for doing it, as are most Spanish teams. I wont deny that Barcelona has grabbed many an extra penalty at the Camp Nou because of that or because of the atmosphere. But do I care? No. Does it contribute to the argument? No. Is it just trying to make another stupid jab at me? Yes.
Logic? I made a comment. I needed no logic.Generalisation much?
You are calling all Chelsea fans dicks and bad losers, because of the actions of a few guys who are cunts, and are completely out of our control?
Good one Zimmer, nice logic there mate...Think before you post, it helps.
Did I say I wasn't generalising? No. Is what I said actually true about the death threads? Yes.
Get over yourself, all I was doing was taking a mocking punch in the general direction of Chelsea fans. And guess what? You fell for it.
Think before you post. (lol, just lol).
Clearly. I mean, I am really bitter that all the newspapers in the world are not stating how much of a god Messi is and how awesome Iniesta is.It seems you are a tad bitter that Bacelona's spotlight was taken away slightly, by what most football fans agree, was daylight robbery (Including Chesea haters)
I am very much over it, but I couldn't help but reply to your crap. Oh and notice how I tried to start off my points with condescending punch line, just like you always do, it's so cool.
Barcelona went through. Was it lucky? Yes. Were Chelsea cheated on occasions? Yes. Was Iniesta's goal just FUCKING AWESOME? Yes.
There wasn't a single line where I actually denied that Chelsea were cheated or robbed. I never said anything about it or denied it. I love it how you try and read between the lines and just fail.
Oh, and thanks for the compliment. I know I'm that awesome with these kind of things. Too bad you fell for it as well and got your knickers in a twist.
My knickers in a twist? lol I clearly touched a nerve with you.
And you argue miserably, you just danced around most of the points I made, and I don't have time to highlight your stupidity again, but the possesison one lol, just read it back to yourself, what you said was wrong and you just dance around it.
And you argue miserably, you just danced around most of the points I made, and I don't have time to highlight your stupidity again, but the possesison one lol, just read it back to yourself, what you said was wrong and you just dance around it.
I know fucking karate
Considering the plurality of opportunities that Chelsea had to close the game, and how they didn't manage to capitalise on a single one of them despite playing against an abysmal defence, they absolutely didn't play "extremely well". It was a poor offensive show by a team that merely managed to stand its ground against a good offence for 92 out of 94 minutes.Jenspm wrote:
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
A good offence that had huge amounts of possesion, but needed until the 92nd minute to score? Some offence eh.mikkel wrote:
Considering the plurality of opportunities that Chelsea had to close the game, and how they didn't manage to capitalise on a single one of them despite playing against an abysmal defence, they absolutely didn't play "extremely well". It was a poor offensive show by a team that merely managed to stand its ground against a good offence for 92 out of 94 minutes.Jenspm wrote:
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
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This is a Champions League semi-final. If you on this level expect a good offence to be a guarantee for scoring goals, then your expectations are stuck somewhere back in the qualifying stages. Chelsea played a wonderful defensive game. That does not make the Barcelona offensive poor.SirSchloppy wrote:
A good offence that had huge amounts of possesion, but needed until the 92nd minute to score? Some offence eh.mikkel wrote:
Considering the plurality of opportunities that Chelsea had to close the game, and how they didn't manage to capitalise on a single one of them despite playing against an abysmal defence, they absolutely didn't play "extremely well". It was a poor offensive show by a team that merely managed to stand its ground against a good offence for 92 out of 94 minutes.Jenspm wrote:
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
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that's kinda what I meant.mikkel wrote:
Considering the plurality of opportunities that Chelsea had to close the game, and how they didn't manage to capitalise on a single one of them despite playing against an abysmal defence, they absolutely didn't play "extremely well". It was a poor offensive show by a team that merely managed to stand its ground against a good offence for 92 out of 94 minutes.Jenspm wrote:
We played extremely well, but failed to turn a lot of our chances into goals. Barca had one chance, and took it.
We played well, but we failed at scoring on our 100% goal chances (Drogba, especially). We held what many people call the world's best defence to zero goals for 182 minutes, and got to some goal chances as well. that's pretty damn good in my book.
@Zimmer: yes, I am bitter. Very much so :>
PS- I'm starting to get pretty damn sick of Drogba... There are two options here imo:
a) Get someone to tell him to straighten the fuck up and stop acting like a bitch all the time
b) Sell him, and get a striker with energy, passion and the will to give 100% every game; a Rooney-type player.
I'd prefer a, but I'm willing to accept b as well.
Touched a nerve? Haha. I'm as happy as can be, even more amused now that you had to use "BS" and "bullshit" and "hypocrite" to get your points across. You just couldn't handle me so had to retaliate with some immature comebacks.justice wrote:
My knickers in a twist? lol I clearly touched a nerve with you.
And you argue miserably, you just danced around most of the points I made, and I don't have time to highlight your stupidity again, but the possesison one lol, just read it back to yourself, what you said was wrong and you just dance around it.
Highlight my stupidity? You don't have time? No, you just can't.
I like dancing around points, it means that people like you get annoyed and start getting a bit too angry for a forum. It's funny, really.
I like what mikkel said.
The ref kept a pretty balanced style throuhout the whole match, like Zimmer pointed out that went both ways and ended being equal for both teams.
If you study both cases that could have caused a penalty imho they were attempts of just that ... aiming to get a penalty is very common amongst these kind of teams, the last shot would have gone miles above the goal hence I believe the ref considered those sides of the situation also.
If you aim to win a semi final on this level you must be able to finish the match ahead without speculating in penalties ...
If you study both cases that could have caused a penalty imho they were attempts of just that ... aiming to get a penalty is very common amongst these kind of teams, the last shot would have gone miles above the goal hence I believe the ref considered those sides of the situation also.
If you aim to win a semi final on this level you must be able to finish the match ahead without speculating in penalties ...
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Chelsea got robbed more than Barca did
Nonetheless,the same English finals as last year would be boring,atleast we get to see ronaldo vs messi and some open football
Nonetheless,the same English finals as last year would be boring,atleast we get to see ronaldo vs messi and some open football