Branca Leone, Boys Noize, Alcohol and Driving = ?

2009-05-17 08:03:02

#76

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5968|Toronto

Jesus fuck, the amount of dick swagging I'm seeing here is disturbing. 'I'm a published music critic' and 'I DJ in some Australian club' really does not make you any more credible in my eyes. You're still an ass sitting behind a monitor worrying about what everyone else has to say about genre classification in an area that moves so quickly and radically that it literally means shit all. Dealing with the thousands of absolutely shit genre titles you people like coming up with really pisses me off. Listen to the music, stop putting it in boxes, keep your mind open. At the end of the day- nobody cares what title you gave it, it still melted faces.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2009-05-17 08:03:42

#77

ColCarnage: taw; +283|6020

AussieReaper wrote:
Music labels really are pedantic.

shallow too

2009-05-17 08:04:43

#78

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6578|what

ColCarnage wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Music labels really are pedantic.
shallow too

I read Jane Austin novels with a thesaurus next to me, with Rammstein playing in the background.

2009-05-17 08:04:52

#79

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6895

Bertster7 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
And Bertster, what I am 'on' is saying that electronica- a term used to describe acts ranging from Bjork to Venetian Snares, is not a sub-genre of 'dance' music. Neither of those two aforementioned artists are dance-able or clubworthy for a start, you have your classifications the wrong way around. Electronic/Electronica is a very wide catch-all term, dance music generally describes something more specific and characteristically recognisable. You're only making a fool out of yourself.
Dance music is probably the widest ranging umbrella genre of music there is. Ranging from Jazz, Swing, Bebop to Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.

Saying dance music is more specific than electronica is very foolish.

You're applying a very literal definition of 'dance' music, whereas I'm talking in terms of commonly-understood genres. In terms of electronic categorization, the dance-music scene and related 'rave' type stuff has a distinct sound and identity, whereas in the same terms and rules of categorization, 'electronic(a)' more generally are used as collective and unspecific terms. That's all I have been saying; in genre terms 'electronica' makes room for disparity and variety, in the same pigeonholed-sense 'dance music' is way more precise.

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2009-05-17 08:05:42

#80

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7074

Pochsy wrote:
Jesus fuck, the amount of dick swagging I'm seeing here is disturbing. 'I'm a published music critic' and 'I DJ in some Australian club' really does not make you any more credible in my eyes. You're still an ass sitting behind a monitor worrying about what everyone else has to say about genre classification in an area that moves so quickly and radically that it literally means shit all. Dealing with the thousands of absolutely shit genre titles you people like coming up with really pisses me off. Listen to the music, stop putting it in boxes, keep your mind open. At the end of the day- nobody cares what title you gave it, it still melted faces.

How does one dick swag?

2009-05-17 08:06:34

#81

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7006|SE London

Uzique wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
Uzique wrote:
And Bertster, what I am 'on' is saying that electronica- a term used to describe acts ranging from Bjork to Venetian Snares, is not a sub-genre of 'dance' music. Neither of those two aforementioned artists are dance-able or clubworthy for a start, you have your classifications the wrong way around. Electronic/Electronica is a very wide catch-all term, dance music generally describes something more specific and characteristically recognisable. You're only making a fool out of yourself.
Dance music is probably the widest ranging umbrella genre of music there is. Ranging from Jazz, Swing, Bebop to Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.

Saying dance music is more specific than electronica is very foolish.
You're applying a very literal definition of 'dance' music, whereas I'm talking in terms of commonly-understood genres. In terms of electronic categorization, the dance-music scene and related 'rave' type stuff has a distinct sound and identity, whereas in the same terms and rules of categorization, 'electronic(a)' more generally are used as collective and unspecific terms. That's all I have been saying; in genre terms 'electronica' makes room for disparity and variety, in the same pigeonholed-sense 'dance music' is way more precise.

And I'm saying that's bollocks and dance music is far more diverse than you are making out.

2009-05-17 08:08:09

#82

ColCarnage: taw; +283|6020

How do I swaged dik?

2009-05-17 08:10:11

#83

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6895

I simply wouldn't call the acts within later-developed genres such as IDM 'dance artists'. I find nothing dance-able or similar in Autechre and Basement Jaxx. I'm not denying that the actual category of 'dance' music is pretty huge and has a vast number of artists and sounds, but when trying to talk about electronically-created music as a whole I find it easier and more literally-sensical to use 'electronic(a)', rather than dance. If I'm talking about artists such as Gridlock or Tim Hecker, terming them as 'dance' seems a little retarded.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2009-05-17 08:10:30

#84

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6578|what

Can Uzique link us to one of his reviews online?

2009-05-17 08:13:02

#85

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6895

AussieReaper wrote:
Can Uzique link us to one of his reviews online?

Can you be equally personal and show a picture of yourself? I can actually link reviews soon because, as I said in another thread earlier this month (possibly even one I created myself for the purpose) I intend to spend my spare summer months creating a blog/website for the purpose of getting permision, uploading and archiving them all. Why would it make my opinion anymore 'valid' anyway? Haven't you already pretty much implied that subjective opinions on music and genres are pointless?

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2009-05-17 08:15:22

#86

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7006|SE London

Uzique wrote:
I simply wouldn't call the acts within later-developed genres such as IDM 'dance artists'. I find nothing dance-able or similar in Autechre and Basement Jaxx. I'm not denying that the actual category of 'dance' music is pretty huge and has a vast number of artists and sounds, but when trying to talk about electronically-created music as a whole I find it easier and more literally-sensical to use 'electronic(a)', rather than dance. If I'm talking about artists such as Gridlock or Tim Hecker, terming them as 'dance' seems a little retarded.

You might not find it danceable - doesn't change how it is defined. If you choose to use these labels differently because it makes more sense to you, then fine - but that doesn't make the original usage wrong in any way.

2009-05-17 08:16:26

#87

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7074

Where do you put your reviews at the moment?

2009-05-17 08:17:38

#88

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6895

I'm not saying it's a personal preference, I'm saying that by modern definitions and uses of the terms it is far more common to rely upon 'electronic(a)' as an umbrella term than 'dance'. Perhaps the definitions and conceptions of each term have shifted somewhat, but most electronic music nowadays has branched out far into obscurity beyond the logical use of the term 'dance'. Musique concrète for example, would never be talked about as 'dance' music-- it's electronic, more generally.

@Ghetto: printed student magazine, I don't 'put' them anywhere, that's why I'm trying to arrange in the next few weeks after I've moved home to facilitate somewhere to put them. I want them online and viewable to a wider audience myself, they're not a shameful or secretive affair.

@Aussie: I meant 'permission' in an unclear sense; the editor of the magazine that I write for is a web-design extraordinaire and he's the guy I'm talking to to create an online 'space' as well as a published space for my material. I need his permission for the web-hosting on the 'official' space, that's all.

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2009-05-17 08:17:39

#89

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6578|what

Uzique wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Can Uzique link us to one of his reviews online?
Can you be equally personal and show a picture of yourself?

I've already done that in the post a pic of yourself thread, and the post a pic of yourself AU thread.

Uzique wrote:
I can actually link reviews soon because, as I said in another thread earlier this month (possibly even one I created myself for the purpose) I intend to spend my spare summer months creating a blog/website for the purpose of getting permision, uploading and archiving them all.

Who's permission do you need? You wrote the material. It is your intellectual property.

Uzique wrote:
Why would it make my opinion anymore 'valid' anyway?

Some background into your reviews would make your opinion more or less valid if you can show us how in-depth your reviews actually are, and what (sub)genres you have reviewed.

Uzique wrote:
Haven't you already pretty much implied that subjective opinions on music and genres are pointless?

Yes. Which is why I would like to learn more about your pointless subjective critiques in a published format online.

2009-05-17 08:20:33

#90

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7090|NT, like Mick Dundee

AussieReaper wrote:
ColCarnage wrote:
AussieReaper wrote:
Music labels really are pedantic.
shallow too
I read Jane Austin novels with a thesaurus next to me, with Rammstein playing in the background.

wat

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-05-17 08:21:41

#91

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|7052|UK

Who's permission do you need? You wrote the material. It is your intellectual property.

If he's writing reviews for Company X, then he can't publish his reviews anywhere but on/for Company X - I presume.

2009-05-17 08:24:45

#92

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6578|what

liquidat0r wrote:
Who's permission do you need? You wrote the material. It is your intellectual property.
If he's writing reviews for Company X, then he can't publish his reviews anywhere but on/for Company X - I presume.

Not of he retains the intellectual property rights for his own work, which any sane person would do, should they leave Company X and wish to continue working, writing references to and citing past reviews and publishing those reviews in any other format.

2009-05-17 08:28:04

#93

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6895

AussieReaper wrote:
liquidat0r wrote:
Who's permission do you need? You wrote the material. It is your intellectual property.
If he's writing reviews for Company X, then he can't publish his reviews anywhere but on/for Company X - I presume.
Not of he retains the intellectual property rights for his own work, which any sane person would do, should they leave Company X and wish to continue working, writing references to and citing past reviews and publishing those reviews in any other format.

It's not for any reason other than it's a side-hobby and enjoyment with the bonus benefit of being resume/CV worthy, and the easiest method I have of getting them online is by hosting them on the Editors webspace using his help. In the immediate future I have no other solution to get them online with complete control and domain registration, i.e. it's something he's doing entirely for me, as a favour. It's something I've always wanted to have, and seeing as I've only been on my summer break for 2 days, it's something I'm trying to get sorted out asap. I'm far from ashamed of anything that I have ever written or had published.

Last edited by Uzique (2009-05-17 08:28:35)

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2009-05-17 08:31:06

#94

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6578|what

Uzique wrote:
I'm far from ashamed of anything that I have ever written or had published.

Then tell us the name of the publisher, an article and for which magazine?

2009-05-17 08:34:14

#95

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7090|NT, like Mick Dundee

Almost there...

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-05-17 08:34:26

#96

TimmmmaaaaH: Damn, I... had something for this; +725|6864|Brisbane, Australia

Guys, guys, guys.

As amazing as this thread has been for me. And how much it has entertained me. You are forgetting one thing.

Daft Punk stole their music from Kanye West. This argument is moot.

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2009-05-17 08:44:21

#97

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7187

i love you, you love me....

2009-05-17 09:02:56

#98

blah: macaroni with cheeseeee; +111|6172|Croatia

noise indeed

2009-05-17 09:04:42

#99

aerodynamic: FOCKING HELL; +241|6178|Roma

Anyone wanna get a pizza? I'm starving.

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2009-05-17 09:09:13

#100

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6555|Carnoustie MASSIF

Ffs marine go home. The forums have been nice and quiet without you

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