Hispanics, immigrants, it's all the same isn't it? They've got funny coloured skin, and at the end of the day, that's what Jesus really cares about.Man With No Name wrote:
puerto ricans arent immigrants, although there are many in this forum that will call them illegals regardless.
Anyone notice that she's apart of La Raza? La Raza means "The Race" and its a pretty leftist organization.
"pretty leftist" would be an understatement. I might call them leftist extremist... Anyway, I'm kind of disturbed that she was even seriously considered, let alone chosen.Harmor wrote:
Anyone notice that she's apart of La Raza? La Raza means "The Race" and its a pretty leftist organization.
Notice how the media avoids this little fact...
Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2009-05-28 19:01:32)
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?AussieReaper wrote:
That she got the job simply because of her race? Affirmative action? Maybe that's the only reason Obama made it to office too?lowing wrote:
now how about addressing my point.
What is your point?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
Because hard work, devotioon, dedication, ambition, and drive can sometimes only get you so far in life. I suggest reading Outliers by Malcom Gladwell.lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?AussieReaper wrote:
That she got the job simply because of her race? Affirmative action? Maybe that's the only reason Obama made it to office too?lowing wrote:
now how about addressing my point.
What is your point?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
are you trying to say there are no guarantees in life?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Because hard work, devotioon, dedication, ambition, and drive can sometimes only get you so far in life. I suggest reading Outliers by Malcom Gladwell.lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?AussieReaper wrote:
That she got the job simply because of her race? Affirmative action? Maybe that's the only reason Obama made it to office too?
What is your point?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
Love is the answer
You must have original content, however small in DST op's. Smilies not included.
pm me if you'd care to add some and I will reopen the thread.
in fairness to Blademaster
pm me if you'd care to add some and I will reopen the thread.
in fairness to Blademaster
Well lowing seems to believe that if you eat your Wheaties, pray before bed, do all your homework and eat a daily balanced breakfast everything will fall into place. The reality is that often the most successful are intelligent, devoted, hard working and are fortunate enough to get some kind of break. There are plenty of people who have and exercise those attributes lowing mentioned who aren't rich, aren't successful...it's not black and white.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
are you trying to say there are no guarantees in life?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Because hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition, and drive can sometimes only get you so far in life. I suggest reading Outliers by Malcom Gladwell.lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
So yes, there are no guarantees except for death and taxes.
lol okay lowing. You'd like to know how she came from a poverty stricken family, why? Do you think she got there illegally, maybe she cheated on her taxes? I'm willing to bet she was given some financial assistance in the form of welfare to help her succeed. But you can only go so far through financial assistance alone, she made it to the Supreme Court after years of study and hard work. No one is disputing that fact, except you I guess.lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
You probably think she got there through nothing but hard work and paying attention in school. Made it all on her own merits and never needed any help from welfare. Because you don't need welfare to make it, right lowing?
Well, let's see:
Hands up lowing if you know what a housing project is? If you answered tax distributed welfare in the form of cheaper housing to poor income families, you'd be correct. So, do you think she had some help from the "dreaded" welfare state which you despise?Wiki wrote:
Source
Sotomayor was born in the Bronx, a borough of New York City. Her father, Juan Sotomayor, a tool-and-die worker with a third-grade education who did not speak English, was from the Santurce area of San Juan. Her mother, Celina Sotomayor, a nurse, was from the neighborhood of Santa Rosa in Lajas, a still mostly rural area on Puerto Rico's southwest coast. They left Puerto Rico, met, and married during World War II after Celina served in the Women's Army Corps. Sonia's younger brother is Juan Sotomayor, who is now a doctor in Syracuse, New York.
Sonia was raised a Catholic and grew up among other Puerto Ricans who settled in the East Bronx. During the 1960s the family moved to the Bronxdale Houses housing project in Soundview, which has at times been considered part of both the East Bronx and South Bronx.
As for having her wages "stolen", does she actually need the money she is now earning? Seriously? I'm sure she'd be more than happy to pay higher taxes if it means that another child from a similar background of hers has the same opportunity to make it as she did. And paying taxes so that welfare can be given to others is not stealing lowing. Now that she is able to, I'm sure she's happy to be giving others affordable housing similarly to what she received.
See how it works? You get some help, when you are in a better position you help someone else...
Never said any such thing, still, it is your best chance to making something of yourself. What is it you suggest, equasl results along with equal opportunity? If so, who is going ot be Obama's czar of equal results?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Well lowing seems to believe that if you eat your Wheaties, pray before bed, do all your homework and eat a daily balanced breakfast everything will fall into place. The reality is that often the most successful are intelligent, devoted, hard working and are fortunate enough to get some kind of break. There are plenty of people who have and exercise those attributes lowing mentioned who aren't rich, aren't successful...it's not black and white.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
are you trying to say there are no guarantees in life?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Because hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition, and drive can sometimes only get you so far in life. I suggest reading Outliers by Malcom Gladwell.
So yes, there are no guarantees except for death and taxes.
http://www.nclr.org/content/topics/detail/500/NCLR is engaged in many immigration issues including Comprehensive Immigration Reform, state and local police enforcement of immigration laws, the DREAM Act, AgJOBS, driver’s license access for immigrants, and post 9-11 civil liberties.
Fucking hell.
http://www.abanet.org/publiced/hispanic_s.htmlIn addition to her work on the bench, Judge Sotomayor is an adjunct professor at New York University School of Law and a lecturer-in-law at Columbia Law School. She is a member of the American Bar Association, the New York Women’s Bar Association, the Puerto Rican Bar Association, the Hispanic National Bar Association, the Association of Judges of Hispanic Heritage, and the National Council of La Raza.
La Raza. This fact make her not just a bad choice, but a dangerous one.
1. No actually I never asked how she got there, I asked what your explaination would be, that this person over came the obsticles and became successful. Affirmative action does not provide grades or accomplishment, only unfair and racially biased opportunity. It still took her devotion ambition,and motivation to beome a success.AussieReaper wrote:
lol okay lowing. You'd like to know how she came from a poverty stricken family, why? Do you think she got there illegally, maybe she cheated on her taxes? I'm willing to bet she was given some financial assistance in the form of welfare to help her succeed. But you can only go so far through financial assistance alone, she made it to the Supreme Court after years of study and hard work. No one is disputing that fact, except you I guess.lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?
She is now probably considered "rich", how do you feel about stealing her money for your entitlement payouts? Did she EARN it, or was she just "lucky" like everyone else that has anything in life."
Now,try answering the post without side stepping it,
You probably think she got there through nothing but hard work and paying attention in school. Made it all on her own merits and never needed any help from welfare. Because you don't need welfare to make it, right lowing?
Well, let's see:Hands up lowing if you know what a housing project is? If you answered tax distributed welfare in the form of cheaper housing to poor income families, you'd be correct. So, do you think she had some help from the "dreaded" welfare state which you despise?Wiki wrote:
Source
Sotomayor was born in the Bronx, a borough of New York City. Her father, Juan Sotomayor, a tool-and-die worker with a third-grade education who did not speak English, was from the Santurce area of San Juan. Her mother, Celina Sotomayor, a nurse, was from the neighborhood of Santa Rosa in Lajas, a still mostly rural area on Puerto Rico's southwest coast. They left Puerto Rico, met, and married during World War II after Celina served in the Women's Army Corps. Sonia's younger brother is Juan Sotomayor, who is now a doctor in Syracuse, New York.
Sonia was raised a Catholic and grew up among other Puerto Ricans who settled in the East Bronx. During the 1960s the family moved to the Bronxdale Houses housing project in Soundview, which has at times been considered part of both the East Bronx and South Bronx.
As for having her wages "stolen", does she actually need the money she is now earning? Seriously? I'm sure she'd be more than happy to pay higher taxes if it means that another child from a similar background of hers has the same opportunity to make it as she did. And paying taxes so that welfare can be given to others is not stealing lowing. Now that she is able to, I'm sure she's happy to be giving others affordable housing similarly to what she received.
See how it works? You get some help, when you are in a better position you help someone else...
2. Who are you to even ask if she even needs the money she makes, as if it is for govt. to decide that.
1. Yes you did.lowing wrote:
1. No actually I never asked how she got there, I asked what your explaination would be, that this person over came the obsticles and became successful. Affirmative action does not provide grades or accomplishment, only unfair and racially biased opportunity. It still took her devotion ambition,and motivation to beome a success.
2. Who are you to even ask if she even needs the money she makes, as if it is for govt. to decide that.
This is you, right?lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?
What unfair and racially based opportunity gave her good marks lowing?
2. She needed the welfare when she didn't have an affordable home to live in with her parents. She asked for the assistance then. Why not give some assistance back? Guess that just doesn't work in the capitalistic system you believe in of take everything and give nothing back.
You may wanna go back and re-read. Either you are twisting things to add confusion to avoid answering, or you can not read. I am not going to go through this with you again. Read it answer it or ignore it. Either way I am not going to repeat myself again for you to play stupid.AussieReaper wrote:
1. Yes you did.lowing wrote:
1. No actually I never asked how she got there, I asked what your explaination would be, that this person over came the obsticles and became successful. Affirmative action does not provide grades or accomplishment, only unfair and racially biased opportunity. It still took her devotion ambition,and motivation to beome a success.
2. Who are you to even ask if she even needs the money she makes, as if it is for govt. to decide that.This is you, right?lowing wrote:
"I am kinda curious as to how this woman, who comes from a poverty stricken family has risen to such hieghts. Is this where you "progressives" start spouting off about "luck" or "fortune",or can she be an example as to what can happen with hard work, devotion, dedication, ambition and drive comes into play in ones life?
What unfair and racially based opportunity gave her good marks lowing?
2. She needed the welfare when she didn't have an affordable home to live in with her parents. She asked for the assistance then. Why not give some assistance back? Guess that just doesn't work in the capitalistic system you believe in of take everything and give nothing back.
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
Perhaps if my post was actually adressed instead of dodged I would not have to repeat them, mostly for clarity. Battling the bubbloesque posting is frustrating to say the least.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
Last edited by lowing (2009-05-28 21:12:56)
Lowing is a rock upon which liberals break themselves.lowing wrote:
Perhaps if my post was actually adressed instead of dodged I would not have to repeat them, mostly for clarity.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
What do you want me to address? The argument you are making with yourself? No thanks, that's between you and you.lowing wrote:
Perhaps if my post was actually adressed instead of dodged I would not have to repeat them, mostly for clarity. Battling the bubbloesque posting is frustrating to say the least.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
Did sher EARN her money? I don't know, depends what you mean by earn. For all I know she sat in a cushy office and did shit-all and got paid out the ass for it. It really isn't relevant so I guess to me that's a stupid question to ask.
And please, don't compare me to Bubbalo. To me that is a most vile personal insult.
Not you Ken, I was referring my attempts to debate with Aussie. I have no problem with you or your criticisms of my posts during discussions.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
What do you want me to address? The argument you are making with yourself? No thanks, that's between you and you.lowing wrote:
Perhaps if my post was actually adressed instead of dodged I would not have to repeat them, mostly for clarity. Battling the bubbloesque posting is frustrating to say the least.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
Did sher EARN her money? I don't know, depends what you mean by earn. For all I know she sat in a cushy office and did shit-all and got paid out the ass for it. It really isn't relevant so I guess to me that's a stupid question to ask.
And please, don't compare me to Bubbalo. To me that is a most vile personal insult.
Heeyyyyyyy I like that!!ATG wrote:
Lowing is a rock upon which liberals break themselves.lowing wrote:
Perhaps if my post was actually adressed instead of dodged I would not have to repeat them, mostly for clarity.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't suggest anything of the sort. I'm all for hard work and dedication -I Personally find it much more gratifyling than sitting around and doing nothing. That's not even the part of your post that makes me laugh. It's your inane proclivity to attribute a ridiculous position to liberals/progressives/anyone you disagree with just so you can shoot them down. You bring in random arguments from left field and somehow tie them into some singular worldview you have and repeat it over and over and over. It's like a mantra to you or something. It honestly boggles my mind.
lowing, your first post in this thread addressed something you brought up. you were looking for an argument just so you could play that same broken record.
Last edited by Man With No Name (2009-05-28 21:41:25)
Nope, I was looking for an explination as to how a poor person could achieve her level of success. Affirmative action didn't do it. It just opened doors. SHe still had to be self motviated and ambitious and hard working. Something you all atribute to mere luck or fortune. Because rich people are just lucky or fortunate and drive ambition work ethic etc.... does not play a part in massing wealth.Man With No Name wrote:
lowing, your first post in this thread addressed something you brought up. you were looking for an argument just so you could play that same broken record.
The woman worked hard, did not let or wait for a socialist to hand her anything that belonged to someone else ( except opportunity based on race)
La fucking Raza.
What about that?
What about that?
again, dont be a fucking prick and bunch me up with the rest of "you all" bullshit. dont be a jerklowing wrote:
Nope, I was looking for an explination as to how a poor person could achieve her level of success. Affirmative action didn't do it. It just opened doors. SHe still had to be self motviated and ambitious and hard working. Something you all atribute to mere luck or fortune. Because rich people are just lucky or fortunate and drive ambition work ethic etc.... does not play a part in massing wealth.Man With No Name wrote:
lowing, your first post in this thread addressed something you brought up. you were looking for an argument just so you could play that same broken record.
The woman worked hard, did not let or wait for a socialist to hand her anything that belonged to someone else ( except opportunity based on race)
you were looking for an explanation to something no body even brought up in the thread. You started off abrasive, arguing with an authorless post.