Help choosing audio equipment for PC pl0x

2009-05-30 15:51:24

#1

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6812|UK

I was looking for help with what I should go for with respect to audio on my PC. I have a pair of logitech Z-10s which are fine for casual use, but as the evening goes on, my gf is getting ever more pissy about the noise.

SO! What am looking for is, a descent set of earphones for my iphone, first of all for the train journey to work every day and back. I went into HMV the other day, and was baffled by all the types ranging from £10 to like over £200 for some Bose ones. So opinions there please.

I was also, in addition, looking at a (covered I believe is the term?) head set for gaming. I initially had a look at the G35s, but from what I have gathered. Rather than have the headphones create the multiple channels, buy a descent stereo set, and also get a dedicated sound card, to create the multiple channels instead. True? Probably make more sense.

Something like?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=251

And am stuck on sound card. I don't mind spending quite a bit of money on this stuff, as I do like descent quality. Though I may end up getting a new motherboard anyway that comes with the sound card.

I have also read, about a distaste for creative due to horrific drivers? So been looking at the asus xonars which look good. I was reading conflicting comments about EAX 5.0 and how xonar couldn't do it?

And I need a mic.

If someone could help me out it be appreciated it, am not much of an audiophile and never really paid much attention to it in the past.

So I am looking for:

Earphones for my iphone
Headphones
Sound card (preferable PCI x1)
Mic

And, am sure they all do these days, but it be preferable if the sounccard had a coax or optical to go to my receiver.

Martyn

Last edited by Bell (2009-05-30 15:52:04)

2009-05-30 15:57:15

#2

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

hey Martyn read this first: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=120010
Also I have never ever had any issues with Creative drivers and I (have) own 4 different Creative soundcards.
More from me tomorrow as I'm going to bed and Freezer is offline anyway

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2009-05-30 16:17:10

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Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

.Sup wrote:
hey Martyn read this first: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=120010
Also I have never ever had any issues with Creative drivers and I (have) own 4 different Creative soundcards.
More from me tomorrow as I'm going to bed and Freezer is offline anyway

The drivers are fine, for me anyway, it's just the installer that's annoying.

2009-05-30 17:07:23

#4

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6412|'straya

I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium and for the price its good (computer shit is ridiculously expensive in Australia) but there is a lot better, depends how much you want to spend.

2009-05-30 18:51:20

#5

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

Any Xonar > Creative. Even if you go cheap Xonar vs. expensive Creative.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-30 19:42:11

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CrazeD: Member; +368|6936|Maine

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Any Xonar > Creative. Even if you go cheap Xonar vs. expensive Creative.

/agree

2009-05-31 01:53:41

#7

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Any Xonar > Creative. Even if you go cheap Xonar vs. expensive Creative.

HT Omega cards, ESI cards>Asus Xonar cards
http://www.htomega.com/
http://www.esi-pro.com/

lets play mofo

2009-05-31 03:30:28

#8

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Any Xonar > Creative. Even if you go cheap Xonar vs. expensive Creative.
HT Omega cards, ESI cards>Asus Xonar cards
http://www.htomega.com/
http://www.esi-pro.com/

lets play mofo

Well of course. All of their cards cost at least 30% more than the Xonar DX.

I'm not saying there aren't other brands than Creative and ASUS, but ASUS currently are better than Creative, and have better value cards than most others. Not to mention availability. For me, there isn't a single HT Omega or ESI card available, unless I import one, which costs even more.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 03:46:38

#9

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Any Xonar > Creative. Even if you go cheap Xonar vs. expensive Creative.
HT Omega cards, ESI cards>Asus Xonar cards
http://www.htomega.com/
http://www.esi-pro.com/

lets play mofo
Well of course. All of their cards cost at least 30% more than the Xonar DX.

I'm not saying there aren't other brands than Creative and ASUS, but ASUS currently are better than Creative, and have better value cards than most others. Not to mention availability. For me, there isn't a single HT Omega or ESI card available, unless I import one, which costs even more.

So if you're limited to your market why would you limit Bell to your market too? Just cos you can't get one doesn't mean he can't get it either.

2009-05-31 05:09:47

#10

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:

HT Omega cards, ESI cards>Asus Xonar cards
http://www.htomega.com/
http://www.esi-pro.com/

lets play mofo
Well of course. All of their cards cost at least 30% more than the Xonar DX.

I'm not saying there aren't other brands than Creative and ASUS, but ASUS currently are better than Creative, and have better value cards than most others. Not to mention availability. For me, there isn't a single HT Omega or ESI card available, unless I import one, which costs even more.
So if you're limited to your market why would you limit Bell to your market too? Just cos you can't get one doesn't mean he can't get it either.

Of course, I'm just saying that the Xonar DX is the most cost-effective solution for computer audio right now. It's got low-enough distortion, flat-enough frequency response and high-enough SNR to leave the bottleneck for other equipment in the chain. Unless your other equipment is in a price range that justifies spending much more, or you need certain features that it doesn't have, it'll go a long way.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 05:16:34

#11

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

Well of course. All of their cards cost at least 30% more than the Xonar DX.

I'm not saying there aren't other brands than Creative and ASUS, but ASUS currently are better than Creative, and have better value cards than most others. Not to mention availability. For me, there isn't a single HT Omega or ESI card available, unless I import one, which costs even more.
So if you're limited to your market why would you limit Bell to your market too? Just cos you can't get one doesn't mean he can't get it either.
Of course, I'm just saying that the Xonar DX is the most cost-effective solution for computer audio right now. It's got low-enough distortion, flat-enough frequency response and high-enough SNR to leave the bottleneck for other equipment in the chain. Unless your other equipment is in a price range that justifies spending much more, or you need certain features that it doesn't have, it'll go a long way.

The DAC chip on Xonar is 5$

"I don't mind spending quite a bit of money on this stuff"
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So Martyn will this card be used for gaming, movies, music, everything and if so what is the most important thing for you-effects or quality, low jitter sound?

2009-05-31 06:00:57

#12

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
So if you're limited to your market why would you limit Bell to your market too? Just cos you can't get one doesn't mean he can't get it either.
Of course, I'm just saying that the Xonar DX is the most cost-effective solution for computer audio right now. It's got low-enough distortion, flat-enough frequency response and high-enough SNR to leave the bottleneck for other equipment in the chain. Unless your other equipment is in a price range that justifies spending much more, or you need certain features that it doesn't have, it'll go a long way.
The DAC chip on Xonar is 5$

"I don't mind spending quite a bit of money on this stuff"
........................................................

So Martyn will this card be used for gaming, movies, music, everything and if so what is the most important thing for you-effects or quality, low jitter sound?

$5 for a DAC chip is actually quite a lot. Chips are cheap, you know. Did you know that the DX actually uses a better processor than the Striker 7.1?

No matter what, any headphone amplifier or headphones he'd plug into it will provide more distortion than the card. There's more point in spending extra on just those good phones and an amp for them.

Here, take a look at the combined input/output frequency response/noise of my Xonar (blue curve):

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/Freezer7Pro/xonarcurve.png

_{Click for bigger image}

Within the audible frequencies (25-23000Hz), it's all within +/-0.1dB, and when going subsonic, it's still only +/-2dB at 6Hz. That's good enough for any higher midrange home system, especially if talking headphones, as subsonic frequencies don't matter even remotely as much as with speakers. Hell, it's even good enough for lower high-end.

My point is, that whatever he gets, assuming he isn't going completely full out, a DX won't be the bottleneck.

And something that matters a lot here, is Bell's definition of "quite a lot of money".

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-05-31 06:07:29)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 06:05:27

#13

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

My god... another one of these.

If you are average user that can do with good sound quality although its not idustry's top, Xonar will do more than nicely.

If you have sudden urge to spend 200 or more on sound card and consider yourself hifiguy (note: you get expensive headset or speakers too if you go with this one), go for the expensive one.

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8

2009-05-31 06:07:19

#14

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

lol specs are one thing but "what you can actually hear " is another thing. Sound signature is what matters and people's preference. Just the processor is nothing without the surrounding components.
I'm not saying Xonars are bad cards, far from it but saying Asus>Creative is like saying nVidia>AMD (Ati). There are some good and some bad cards from both manufacturers. And if he wants the best Xonar for home theater then "best bang for the buck cards" won't matter here as it costs around 200€

2009-05-31 06:20:54

#15

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
lol specs are one thing but "what you can actually hear " is another thing. Sound signature is what matters and people's preference. Just the processor is nothing without the surrounding components.
I'm not saying Xonars are bad cards, far from it but saying Asus>Creative is like saying nVidia>AMD (Ati). There are some good and some bad cards from both manufacturers. And if he wants the best Xonar for home theater then "best bang for the buck cards" won't matter here as it costs around 200€

You're the one who took components into the mix by saying the DAC on the Xonar is $5.

And the sound signature you're talking about is 99% depending on the speakers/headphones you are using, as those have a much, much more significant frequency/distortion curve.

And saying ASUS>Creative is not at all comparable to saying nV>ATI. It's proven by Auzentech that Creative are quite horrid card designers, who charge a bad overprice for their stuff and only rely on their reputation from the past and flashy advertising these days. Not much unlike BOSE. ASUS have sacrificed some features on their cards to reach a very good price:performance ratio. They've got mechanical relays on their cards, lots and lots of filter caps, a very smart power supply solution, making for very good sound with very little noise for an integrated card, at the cost of in/outputs, some options, quite bad game/EAX support and somewhat poor drivers.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-05-31 06:21:56)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 06:24:50

#16

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6051|Catherine Black

Okay, guys, stop it.

2009-05-31 06:27:46

#17

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
lol specs are one thing but "what you can actually hear " is another thing. Sound signature is what matters and people's preference. Just the processor is nothing without the surrounding components.
I'm not saying Xonars are bad cards, far from it but saying Asus>Creative is like saying nVidia>AMD (Ati). There are some good and some bad cards from both manufacturers. And if he wants the best Xonar for home theater then "best bang for the buck cards" won't matter here as it costs around 200€
You're the one who took components into the mix by saying the DAC on the Xonar is $5.

And the sound signature you're talking about is 99% depending on the speakers/headphones you are using, as those have a much, much more significant frequency/distortion curve.

And saying ASUS>Creative is not at all comparable to saying nV>ATI. It's proven by Auzentech that Creative are quite horrid card designers, who charge a bad overprice for their stuff and only rely on their reputation from the past and flashy advertising these days. Not much unlike BOSE. ASUS have sacrificed some features on their cards to reach a very good price:performance ratio. They've got mechanical relays on their cards, lots and lots of filter caps, a very smart power supply solution, making for very good sound with very little noise for an integrated card, at the cost of in/outputs, some options, quite bad game/EAX support and somewhat poor drivers.

huh
tubes, solid state, opamaps-->signature
We are not talking about headphone now. Each audio device has its own signature, if you can't hear that then I'm sorry for you. What Auzen did is upgrade crappy parts on Creative cards but that made their cards even more expensive. By sacrificed features you mean EAX 5 correct? So how can Xonar>Creative for gaming? Don't generalize everything, some cards are good for something, some are good for something else. Lots of filter caps? What brand?-->thats what matters not the ones that puke crap

..................

Lets not argue for the sake of the community.

Recommend a card but don't be an asshole with those Xonar>Creative crap statements

Last edited by .Sup (2009-05-31 06:28:56)

2009-05-31 06:32:56

#18

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

There is only one thing that Creative lacks, its support.

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8

2009-05-31 06:45:16

#19

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
lol specs are one thing but "what you can actually hear " is another thing. Sound signature is what matters and people's preference. Just the processor is nothing without the surrounding components.
I'm not saying Xonars are bad cards, far from it but saying Asus>Creative is like saying nVidia>AMD (Ati). There are some good and some bad cards from both manufacturers. And if he wants the best Xonar for home theater then "best bang for the buck cards" won't matter here as it costs around 200€
You're the one who took components into the mix by saying the DAC on the Xonar is $5.

And the sound signature you're talking about is 99% depending on the speakers/headphones you are using, as those have a much, much more significant frequency/distortion curve.

And saying ASUS>Creative is not at all comparable to saying nV>ATI. It's proven by Auzentech that Creative are quite horrid card designers, who charge a bad overprice for their stuff and only rely on their reputation from the past and flashy advertising these days. Not much unlike BOSE. ASUS have sacrificed some features on their cards to reach a very good price:performance ratio. They've got mechanical relays on their cards, lots and lots of filter caps, a very smart power supply solution, making for very good sound with very little noise for an integrated card, at the cost of in/outputs, some options, quite bad game/EAX support and somewhat poor drivers.
huh
tubes, solid state, opamaps-->signature
We are not talking about headphone now. Each audio device has its own signature, if you can't hear that then I'm sorry for you. What Auzen did is upgrade crappy parts on Creative cards but that made their cards even more expensive. By sacrificed features you mean EAX 5 correct? So how can Xonar>Creative for gaming? Don't generalize everything, some cards are good for something, some are good for something else. Lots of filter caps? What brand?-->thats what matters not the ones that puke crap

..................

Lets not argue for the sake of the community.

Recommend a card but don't be an asshole with those Xonar>Creative crap statements

Good input devices don't leave any signature. Cards such as these have a more or less flat frequency/distortion curve, and thus put almost no colour to the sound. Tube amplifiers these days are made to colour the sound, that's the sole reason they still exist. Most decent SS amps have more or less flat response too, and leave the colouration to the other end of the output cables.

I also haven't said Xonars are superior to Creative in every field, but when it comes to what matters; audio quality and value, they're in another league.

And my Xonar has Nichicon caps, which is far from crap.

And also, @you for saying "Let's not argue". That doesn't work if you say "let's play, mofo" like that. Don't start arguments if you don't want them. You know I'm weak like that.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-05-31 06:46:13)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 06:52:26

#20

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

You're the one who took components into the mix by saying the DAC on the Xonar is $5.

And the sound signature you're talking about is 99% depending on the speakers/headphones you are using, as those have a much, much more significant frequency/distortion curve.

And saying ASUS>Creative is not at all comparable to saying nV>ATI. It's proven by Auzentech that Creative are quite horrid card designers, who charge a bad overprice for their stuff and only rely on their reputation from the past and flashy advertising these days. Not much unlike BOSE. ASUS have sacrificed some features on their cards to reach a very good price:performance ratio. They've got mechanical relays on their cards, lots and lots of filter caps, a very smart power supply solution, making for very good sound with very little noise for an integrated card, at the cost of in/outputs, some options, quite bad game/EAX support and somewhat poor drivers.
huh
tubes, solid state, opamaps-->signature
We are not talking about headphone now. Each audio device has its own signature, if you can't hear that then I'm sorry for you. What Auzen did is upgrade crappy parts on Creative cards but that made their cards even more expensive. By sacrificed features you mean EAX 5 correct? So how can Xonar>Creative for gaming? Don't generalize everything, some cards are good for something, some are good for something else. Lots of filter caps? What brand?-->thats what matters not the ones that puke crap

..................

Lets not argue for the sake of the community.

Recommend a card but don't be an asshole with those Xonar>Creative crap statements
Good input devices don't leave any signature. Cards such as these have a more or less flat frequency/distortion curve, and thus put almost no colour to the sound. Tube amplifiers these days are made to colour the sound, that's the sole reason they still exist. Most decent SS amps have more or less flat response too, and leave the colouration to the other end of the output cables.

I also haven't said Xonars are superior to Creative in every field, but when it comes to what matters; audio quality and value, they're in another league.

And my Xonar has Nichicon caps, which is far from crap.

And also, @you for saying "Let's not argue". That doesn't work if you say "let's play, mofo" like that. Don't start arguments if you don't want them. You know I'm weak like that.

the sign > means superior, you should know that by now as you use it in your every second post. You can never teach a rock to walk so there no point

2009-05-31 06:56:16

#21

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:

huh
tubes, solid state, opamaps-->signature
We are not talking about headphone now. Each audio device has its own signature, if you can't hear that then I'm sorry for you. What Auzen did is upgrade crappy parts on Creative cards but that made their cards even more expensive. By sacrificed features you mean EAX 5 correct? So how can Xonar>Creative for gaming? Don't generalize everything, some cards are good for something, some are good for something else. Lots of filter caps? What brand?-->thats what matters not the ones that puke crap

..................

Lets not argue for the sake of the community.

Recommend a card but don't be an asshole with those Xonar>Creative crap statements
Good input devices don't leave any signature. Cards such as these have a more or less flat frequency/distortion curve, and thus put almost no colour to the sound. Tube amplifiers these days are made to colour the sound, that's the sole reason they still exist. Most decent SS amps have more or less flat response too, and leave the colouration to the other end of the output cables.

I also haven't said Xonars are superior to Creative in every field, but when it comes to what matters; audio quality and value, they're in another league.

And my Xonar has Nichicon caps, which is far from crap.

And also, @you for saying "Let's not argue". That doesn't work if you say "let's play, mofo" like that. Don't start arguments if you don't want them. You know I'm weak like that.
the sign > means superior, you should know that by now as you use it in your every second post. You can never teach a rock to walk so there no point

Did you even read my last post?

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 06:57:37

#22

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

Good input devices don't leave any signature. Cards such as these have a more or less flat frequency/distortion curve, and thus put almost no colour to the sound. Tube amplifiers these days are made to colour the sound, that's the sole reason they still exist. Most decent SS amps have more or less flat response too, and leave the colouration to the other end of the output cables.

I also haven't said Xonars are superior to Creative in every field, but when it comes to what matters; audio quality and value, they're in another league.

And my Xonar has Nichicon caps, which is far from crap.

And also, @you for saying "Let's not argue". That doesn't work if you say "let's play, mofo" like that. Don't start arguments if you don't want them. You know I'm weak like that.
the sign > means superior, you should know that by now as you use it in your every second post. You can never teach a rock to walk so there no point
Did you even read my last post?

the tube part really is funny I should put this in my sig on all audio forums where I post

2009-05-31 07:00:29

#23

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6460|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:

the sign > means superior, you should know that by now as you use it in your every second post. You can never teach a rock to walk so there no point
Did you even read my last post?
the tube part really is funny I should put this in my sig on all audio forums where I post

Are you saying tube amps are there for reference sound reproduction?

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2009-05-31 07:02:13

#24

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6716|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

Did you even read my last post?
the tube part really is funny I should put this in my sig on all audio forums where I post
Are you saying tube amps are there for reference sound reproduction?

no although most high end stereo amps have tubes inside its body

2009-05-31 07:04:06

#25

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6812|UK

.Sup wrote:
So Martyn will this card be used for gaming, movies, music, everything and if so what is the most important thing for you-effects or quality, low jitter sound?

Looking for as much of an all rounder as possible, but, more ofthen than not I just listen to music when I come in, so got more of a bias on that front, dont watch movies on my PC. Though I would like something that can do all these effects in games, since I keep hearing people talk about how good they are.......

Would like to avoid tiny sound as much as possible, effects are nice but am not overly concerned about them.

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