EVGA's P55 Board and Single PCB GTX 295

2009-06-05 19:19:30

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The_Sniper_NM: Official EVGA Fanboy; +94|6376|SC | USA |

655 SLI FTW and GTX 295 CO-OP Edition

This morning at Computex in EVGA’s suite at the Hyatt, the company unveiled its first motherboards based on the Intel P55 chipset as well as its single-PCB version of the Geforce GTX 295. Given the fact that EVGA has proved itself a leader in innovation more than several times already, we are interested in what it has to bring to the table with its second Intel chipset design and a revision to a very popular enthusiast graphics card.

First up is the EVGA 655 SLI FTW Edition (132-LF-E655) motherboard, the first from EVGA to use the 45nm socket LGA 1156 Lynnfield processors. This is a high-end board with three PCI-Express 2.0 x16 slots that run x16/x8/x8 in Tri-SLI. It also features a PCI-E x1 slot positioned at the very top and two standard PCI slots. As with the X58 SLI Classified, this board also features the red glowing “E” just for kicks.

On the chipset side of things it features four dual-channel DDR3 slots, six SATA II 3.0Gb/s ports, an onboard LED for POST codes and temperature monitoring, and passive heatsinks all around.

EVGA is also developing another board codenamed 132-LF-E657. For some reason we have the feeling that this is going to be a P57-based motherboard releasing sometime in early 2010, although it’s too early to tell at this point. Regardless, it is another high-end board with three PCI-Express 2.0 x16 slots that run x16/x8/x8 in Tri-SLI, along with a PCI-E x1 slot and two standard PCI slots.

As far as power design is concerned, this motherboard really sets the bar high with a 14-phase analog PWM design powered by the same dual EPS 12v connectors found on the Classified. On the chipset side of things, it features four dual-channel DDR3 slots, six SATA II 3.0Gb/s ports, an onboard LED for POST codes and temperature monitoring.

Last but not least, EVGA has finally revealed its single-PCB version of the popular Geforce GTX 295. The company is calling this model the CO-OP Edition. No specific details have been mentioned as of yet, other than the fact that there will also be a Hydro Copper edition when it launches very soon. The specifications should be the same as the current GTX 295 models as given by Nvidia, which are a 576Mhz core speed, 1242MHz shaders, and 1998MHz memory.

Pricing and release dates have not been mentioned yet, but stay tuned for more information very soon. On a side note, let’s just hope that the new GTX 295 gets placed at a lower price point instead of the upwards hike that happened with the dual-PCB model.

Lynnfield looks interesting. I'm set with my Q9650 until Sandy Beach though.

2009-06-05 19:28:04

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max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

i5 only provides 16 PCIe lanes. Where are the additional 16 coming from? Chipset? also lol @ dual EPS 12v connectors

The new GTX295 isn't all that exciting with G300 and R800 around the corner tbh.

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2009-06-05 19:36:48

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Brasso: member; +1,549|6893

what exactly does P55 offer? yeah...pretty much what P45 offers. looks like the X48 = X38 thing.

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2009-06-05 19:40:38

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max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

no memory controller in a P55. Theoretically that should make it cheaper

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2009-06-06 02:42:57

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

A source says that Lynnfield overclocks easily to over 5GHz. We also know that Lynnfield has much better turbo than the i7. If I remember it correctly, Lynnfield has integrated memory controller just like i7 but it also has an integrated Pci-E controller so Lynnfield is like i7 but with the x58 chipset integrated to the processor.

2009-06-06 04:21:01

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

Every chip so far has had one cherry picked super CPU used to demonstrate how it overclocks to X clocks on air. Then ppl buy it and see how it doesn't OC that far in reality. Happened with i7, PII and is going to happen with this. So if you are expecting 5GHz OC from majrity of i5s, I suggest you drop to reality with your expectations before you get dissappointed.

i5 sure is improvement over Q9xxx, and is going to kick PII in nuts at its price level, but I feel its coming 8 months late, and with its new limitations, will stay behind i7 (just like it was ment to be).

The difference with P55 and X58 is way bigger than with P45 - > X48.

edit: Single PCB GTX 295:

Its GTX 295 done cheap. They cut off majority of the PWM, replaced the quality Volterra components to some cheap shit etc. (no software voltage changing) and overall cut a $ or two in few spots.

Basically the manufacturer gets now more money, but you get less good product although you pay as much as before. (imagine what these changes do to overclocking potential etc. yeah, its going to take nose dive)

Besides, I think its major stupid idea to invest in highest end graphics card right atm, right before its getting blown its arse out big time with next gen (about 2.5-3x performance increase on the way guis, chip vs chip comparison)

Jussimies wrote:
Lynnfield has integrated memory controller just like i7 but it also has an integrated Pci-E controller so Lynnfield is like i7 but with the x58 chipset integrated to the processor.

it is not like that. X58 chipset is much more than just PCI-E controller. If it was like that, i5 would be the highest end model, and huge and costly one for sure. Which it isn't...

max wrote:
i5 only provides 16 PCIe lanes. Where are the additional 16 coming from? Chipset?

Dare I guess its our beloved NVIDIA NF200 bridge chip hiding there. And we know what they are like...

edit nvm, looks like they used those ghetto components connected to the PCI-E slots...

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-06-06 04:35:26)

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2009-06-06 04:42:25

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

I agree that those 5GHz processors were cherry picked samples. From one other source, that I can't remember now, I remember seeing that it was a pain to get the base clock over 160. For now we have to wait until retail versions are released.

Anyways that motherboard looks cool. I just can't see why Lynnfield would need two power connections. That gtx 295 sure looks good and is really powerful, but I think it is a bit late. I just wonder how hot those things will get and how they heat the inside of the case.

Edit:

I am really not sure what x58 has inside, but for me it seems that Lynnfield has the x58 inside just with less Pci-E lanes. I base my findings to this i7 diagram and to this i5 diagram. It can of course be these diagrams don't reveal everything. When it comes down to performance Lynnfield is limited by dual channel memory and less Pci-E lanes, but has still beaten i7 in some tests much because the 'beefier' turbo boost.

Edit2:

More information about i5 here. P55 will be priced at 40$.

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2009-06-06 06:37:08

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ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6912

Wait, where's the Northbridge/Southbridge on it? Or is that something they've dropped for the i7's?

2009-06-06 06:41:49

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

ghettoperson wrote:
Wait, where's the Northbridge/Southbridge on it? Or is that something they've dropped for the i7's?

i5 has integrated memory controller and PCI-E controller. Remaining NB functions are moved to SB.

i7 have integrated memory controller but there us PCI-E controller and lots of other stuff on NB coupled with usual SB.

Edit: X58 and i7 communicate with QPI, which is replaced with something cheaper in i5.

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2009-06-06 07:06:18

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Edit: X58 and i7 communicate with QPI, which is replaced with something cheaper in i5.

DMI is the link, but it exists in the i7 too. In i7 DMI is the link between x58 and ICH10/ICH10R southbridge.

2009-06-06 07:22:58

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max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

nvm

some clever PCI-e hacking I guess

Last edited by max (2009-06-06 07:36:09)

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2009-06-06 07:29:27

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

max wrote:
DMI provides 2GB/s
A PCI-e 2.0 x16 slot uses 8GB/s
All those other P55 features need bandwidth too

seems like a problem

indeed i7 920 as stock has QPI of 4.8GB/s and easily goes to over 6.4GB/s like the other models are at stock.

X58 and ICH10R don't need much bandwidth between them, thats why DMI is spot on there.

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2009-06-06 07:45:44

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
indeed i7 920 as stock has QPI of 4.8GB/s and easily goes to over 6.4GB/s like the other models are at stock.

X58 and ICH10R don't need much bandwidth between them, thats why DMI is spot on there.

Actually i7 920 has QPI of 4,8GT/s (gigatransfers), and the amount of gigabytes going through the QPI link can be over 25GB/s

2009-06-06 07:50:05

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

Jussimies wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
indeed i7 920 as stock has QPI of 4.8GB/s and easily goes to over 6.4GB/s like the other models are at stock.

X58 and ICH10R don't need much bandwidth between them, thats why DMI is spot on there.
Actually i7 920 has QPI of 4,8GT/s (gigatransfers), and the amount of gigabytes going through the QPI link can be over 25GB/s

o gawd typo... forgot its as T. thanks

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2009-06-06 08:56:05

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

gotta raise few points against that EVGA board:

PCI-E line design blows: in fact its working either on 1x PCI-E 2.0 16x OR total fail PCI-E 1.0 16x + 2x PCI-E 1.0 8x

WTF did they think when they put two 8pin CPU power connectors on the board?

WTF did they think when they put that non standardized addon slot next to ram?

That kind of useless features only add price. That board with 2 PCI-E slots, 1 CPU power connector and no addon slot would be far better.

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2009-06-06 09:06:19

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Sup3r_Dr4gon: Boat sig is not there anymore; +214|6590|Australia

That 295 cooler is pretty shit TBH - with the current one, it can draw air in from both the top and bottom, then blow it out that back/side. This one sucks air in from the bottom only (so it's blocked off if you have card below it) and it dumps half the air back into the case.
Would probably overheat in my case.

2009-06-06 09:16:13

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
WTF did they think when they put that non standardized addon slot next to ram?

If you mean that slot that looks like ram slot, but is much shorter, I have seen one in every Lynnfield board. I haven't got a clue why that slot is there though.

2009-06-06 09:17:54

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Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6812|UK

Think I'll go i7 before they retire the 920, the bastards want to force us onto p55 i5 unless you are prepaired to pay over the odds for 950 ad 975

2009-06-06 09:22:58

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GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6677|Finland

Bell wrote:
Think I'll go i7 before they retire the 920, the bastards want to force us onto p55 i5 unless you are prepaired to pay over the odds for 950 ad 975

Yeah

Jussimies wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
WTF did they think when they put that non standardized addon slot next to ram?
If you mean that slot that looks like ram slot, but is much shorter, I have seen one in every Lynnfield board. I haven't got a clue why that slot is there though.

not on all boards tbh. Here is Asus for example

https://images.hardware.info/news/ASUS_P7P55_PRO-01.jpg

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2009-06-06 09:40:05

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Jussimies: Finnish commander whore; +76|6847|Finland

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
not on all boards tbh.

Allright, not on all boards, but on many boards http://www.techpowerup.com/img/09-06-01/intel1.jpg

Edit:

I guess that is a SO-DIMM slot.

Last edited by Jussimies (2009-06-06 09:44:06)

2009-06-06 14:09:39

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Sup3r_Dr4gon: Boat sig is not there anymore; +214|6590|Australia

Just found this:

One feature you will probably notice straight away on the UT board is a the SO-DIMM like looking slot between the DDR3 DIMM slots and the IDE connector. This is an Open NAND Flash Interface (ONFI) slot that allows for an Intel made and sold 4GB or 8GB flash module to be installed to boost system performance. You can think of it as a roughly similar feature to Microsoft’s ReadyBoost in Windows Vista, but much quicker than plugging in a USB 2.0 pen drive. It acts as an extra type of cache (some are calling it “L4″ cache) and apparently you’ll even be able to access this flash memory as a hard drive and even install your main operating system on it.

http://www.tech3d.net/2009/05/20/dfis-u … y-showing/

Sounds interesting. Don't know how useful using it as a HDD will be though, seeing as both Vista/W7 use over 8GB to install.

2009-06-06 19:16:33

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max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

Sup3r_Dr4gon wrote:
Just found this:

One feature you will probably notice straight away on the UT board is a the SO-DIMM like looking slot between the DDR3 DIMM slots and the IDE connector. This is an Open NAND Flash Interface (ONFI) slot that allows for an Intel made and sold 4GB or 8GB flash module to be installed to boost system performance. You can think of it as a roughly similar feature to Microsoft’s ReadyBoost in Windows Vista, but much quicker than plugging in a USB 2.0 pen drive. It acts as an extra type of cache (some are calling it “L4″ cache) and apparently you’ll even be able to access this flash memory as a hard drive and even install your main operating system on it.
http://www.tech3d.net/2009/05/20/dfis-u … y-showing/

Sounds interesting. Don't know how useful using it as a HDD will be though, seeing as both Vista/W7 use over 8GB to install.

Might as well buy a cheap SSD. Or even better just get enough ram so you don't wear out your NAND flash within weeks from the paging activity. Rather pointless IMO

Last edited by max (2009-06-06 19:19:12)

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2009-06-07 06:45:55

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Bell wrote:
Think I'll go i7 before they retire the 920, the bastards want to force us onto p55 i5 unless you are prepaired to pay over the odds for 950 ad 975

intel wont retire the 920

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2009-06-07 08:54:42

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menzo2003 wrote:
Bell wrote:
Think I'll go i7 before they retire the 920, the bastards want to force us onto p55 i5 unless you are prepaired to pay over the odds for 950 ad 975
intel wont retire the 920

Yes they are...

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2 … 940-cpus/1

i7 was never meant to be the mainstream/Gamer/Enthusiast socket. It was meant for server and high performance Extreme Edition only CPUs.

Intel is discontinuing the entry level and mid performance i7 cpus in order to keep it a high performance socket. i5 is not far behind in performance anyways.

2009-06-07 09:01:08

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max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6830|NYC / Hamburg

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2 … e-i7-920/1

Apparently they changed their mind

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