show me the land the arbas lost to israel because they got pwned.....rammunition wrote:
show me a map before 1947 with Israel on it
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scuse me...why cant my moms family have their land back in italy? it does go both ways. you people cant see that because you are blinded by hatred for israel.Flecco wrote:
That can be taken both ways m8.usmarine wrote:
why dont i deserve a state then? my mom is sicilian, and they were driven out of italy. i will take a nice little slice of palermo thank you very much.
Why did the Jews, who were thrown out a few thousand years ago, have the right to take the land back by force?
lewl...yes egypt and syria were innocent bystanders. wow. fat greek people make me lol.oug wrote:
Who picked a fight again marine? Spare us your bias next time.
that was rather childish marine.usmarine wrote:
show me the land the arbas lost to israel because they got pwned.....rammunition wrote:
show me a map before 1947 with Israel on it
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i thought not.
thought so
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...usmarine wrote:
scuse me...why cant my moms family have their land back in italy? it does go both ways. you people cant see that because you are blinded by hatred for israel.Flecco wrote:
That can be taken both ways m8.usmarine wrote:
why dont i deserve a state then? my mom is sicilian, and they were driven out of italy. i will take a nice little slice of palermo thank you very much.
Why did the Jews, who were thrown out a few thousand years ago, have the right to take the land back by force?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.Flecco wrote:
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...usmarine wrote:
scuse me...why cant my moms family have their land back in italy? it does go both ways. you people cant see that because you are blinded by hatred for israel.Flecco wrote:
That can be taken both ways m8.
Why did the Jews, who were thrown out a few thousand years ago, have the right to take the land back by force?
Are you talking about Palestinians?usmarine wrote:
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.Flecco wrote:
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...usmarine wrote:
scuse me...why cant my moms family have their land back in italy? it does go both ways. you people cant see that because you are blinded by hatred for israel.
no my family.Sup wrote:
Are you talking about Palestinians?usmarine wrote:
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.Flecco wrote:
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...
I was pointing out arguments regarding Palestinians who's families have lived in the region for a few hundred years vs. European/American immigrants to Israel...usmarine wrote:
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.Flecco wrote:
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...usmarine wrote:
scuse me...why cant my moms family have their land back in italy? it does go both ways. you people cant see that because you are blinded by hatred for israel.
So you're willing to give South Western USA back to the Mexicans, since their ancestors lived there a few hundred years back?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
if i can get mine back yes. everyone has to give back their shit....then its fair. so yes.Flecco wrote:
I was pointing out arguments regarding Palestinians who's families have lived in the region for a few hundred years vs. European/American immigrants to Israel...usmarine wrote:
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.Flecco wrote:
Somebody's debatably distant, if at related at all by blood, people from over a thousand years ago vs. your father's land he inherited from his grandfather...
So you're willing to give South Western USA back to the Mexicans, since their ancestors lived there a few hundred years back?
In a perfect world. I'd love to have a farm in Ireland, Germany or Wales.usmarine wrote:
if i can get mine back yes. everyone has to give back their shit....then its fair. so yes.Flecco wrote:
I was pointing out arguments regarding Palestinians who's families have lived in the region for a few hundred years vs. European/American immigrants to Israel...usmarine wrote:
ok....so we cant have our land back since we got forced out. roger. makes sense.
So you're willing to give South Western USA back to the Mexicans, since their ancestors lived there a few hundred years back?
Sadly it isn't a perfect world. That doesn't mean we have to accept something bad happening in it. Bad shit happens yes, but we have the ability to make real progress at solving this problem in a way that wont get too many people killed/cause another diaspora. Trying to sort out tribal Africa after it got so anally raped by European colonialism is impossible, but there's a chance we can work this particular problem out via diplomatic/economic pressure. I'd be quite happy if a democracy formed, covering that whole God-forsaken strip of land named Palisrael or some shit (not fussed on the name, if they want 'the Holy Land' as a name they can have it) which incorporated both the Israeli and Palestinian citizenry in a republic, similar to that of the USA, with several states internally with different parliaments etc.
Just gotta stop the fucking bombings/rocket attacks/artillery strikes/shootings/helicopter attacks etc. from both sides. I'm sure at the end of the day all the Israeli/Palestinian dude on the street wants is a chance to earn a few dollars, feed the family and live in a nice house praying to who-ever the fuck they want. I don't think suicide bomber appears on the list of 'what I want to be when I grow up' for Palestinian kids tbh.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
lewl all you want booby. You and I both know how the Israeli state was created so go ahead and shove your lies up your ass. You Americans think that what you say goes. Well fuck off we're fatter than you are.usmarine wrote:
lewl...yes egypt and syria were innocent bystanders. wow. fat greek people make me lol.oug wrote:
Who picked a fight again marine? Spare us your bias next time.
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ofc it was created...but it got bigger because the arabs lost the war they tried to fight. thats a fact booby.oug wrote:
lewl all you want booby. You and I both know how the Israeli state was created so go ahead and shove your lies up your ass. You Americans think that what you say goes. Well fuck off we're fatter than you are.usmarine wrote:
lewl...yes egypt and syria were innocent bystanders. wow. fat greek people make me lol.oug wrote:
Who picked a fight again marine? Spare us your bias next time.
Show me a map with the NATION of Palestine on it.rammunition wrote:
show me a map before 1947 with Israel on it
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i thought not.
I thought not.
yes but listen for a second. what makes the pals so special and nobody else? like i said, other people lost their land also.Flecco wrote:
In a perfect world. I'd love to have a farm in Ireland, Germany or Wales.usmarine wrote:
if i can get mine back yes. everyone has to give back their shit....then its fair. so yes.Flecco wrote:
I was pointing out arguments regarding Palestinians who's families have lived in the region for a few hundred years vs. European/American immigrants to Israel...
So you're willing to give South Western USA back to the Mexicans, since their ancestors lived there a few hundred years back?
Sadly it isn't a perfect world. That doesn't mean we have to accept something bad happening in it. Bad shit happens yes, but we have the ability to make real progress at solving this problem in a way that wont get too many people killed/cause another diaspora. Trying to sort out tribal Africa after it got so anally raped by European colonialism is impossible, but there's a chance we can work this particular problem out via diplomatic/economic pressure. I'd be quite happy if a democracy formed, covering that whole God-forsaken strip of land named Palisrael or some shit (not fussed on the name, if they want 'the Holy Land' as a name they can have it) which incorporated both the Israeli and Palestinian citizenry in a republic, similar to that of the USA, with several states internally with different parliaments etc.
Just gotta stop the fucking bombings/rocket attacks/artillery strikes/shootings/helicopter attacks etc. from both sides. I'm sure at the end of the day all the Israeli/Palestinian dude on the street wants is a chance to earn a few dollars, feed the family and live in a nice house praying to who-ever the fuck they want. I don't think suicide bomber appears on the list of 'what I want to be when I grow up' for Palestinian kids tbh.
What matters is HOW it was created. The fact that it got bigger due to a lost war is completely irrelevant as it does not in any way legitimise the existence of the state of Israel. So now you know what to do with your fact.usmarine wrote:
ofc it was created...but it got bigger because the arabs lost the war they tried to fight. thats a fact booby.
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Even if you say it was stolen or conquered. There still is no difference as to HOW it was created from any other nation. So USmarines question is still valid.oug wrote:
What matters is HOW it was created. The fact that it got bigger due to a lost war is completely irrelevant as it does not in any way legitimise the existence of the state of Israel. So now you know what to do with your fact.usmarine wrote:
ofc it was created...but it got bigger because the arabs lost the war they tried to fight. thats a fact booby.
True, there's also Cyprus, the Kurds... and that's just off the top of my head in that area.usmarine wrote:
yes but listen for a second. what makes the pals so special and nobody else? like i said, other people lost their land also.
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pretty much the world bro. the whole world. i could live in italy and do fuck all. yay.oug wrote:
True, there's also Cyprus, the Kurds... and that's just off the top of my head in that area.usmarine wrote:
yes but listen for a second. what makes the pals so special and nobody else? like i said, other people lost their land also.
I wasn't aware that he was asking something. As I understood it he tried to legitimise the existence of the state by pointing out that the Arabs lost a war that resulted in the already illegal state becoming bigger. Other cases of state creations - I assume that's what you mean and not nations - are irrelevant as well. An illegal action is not made legal just because somebody else may have gotten away with it in the past.lowing wrote:
Even if you say it was stolen or conquered. There still is no difference as to HOW it was created from any other nation. So USmarines question is still valid.oug wrote:
What matters is HOW it was created. The fact that it got bigger due to a lost war is completely irrelevant as it does not in any way legitimise the existence of the state of Israel. So now you know what to do with your fact.usmarine wrote:
ofc it was created...but it got bigger because the arabs lost the war they tried to fight. thats a fact booby.
Now if you want to debate about why we pay so much attention to the case of Palestine compared to cases like that of Cyprus, I'd guess it has something to do with the amount of violence from both sides.
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It's a case of time heals all then. My parents are both Cypriot refugees. They lost their homes and their land in 1974. I'd say that's a bit too early to forget.usmarine wrote:
pretty much the world bro. the whole world. i could live in italy and do fuck all. yay.oug wrote:
True, there's also Cyprus, the Kurds... and that's just off the top of my head in that area.usmarine wrote:
yes but listen for a second. what makes the pals so special and nobody else? like i said, other people lost their land also.
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he asked what makes the Palestinians different than anyone else...I thought that was a question.oug wrote:
I wasn't aware that he was asking something. As I understood it he tried to legitimise the existence of the state by pointing out that the Arabs lost a war that resulted in the already illegal state becoming bigger. Other cases of state creations - I assume that's what you mean and not nations - are irrelevant as well. An illegal action is not made legal just because somebody else may have gotten away with it in the past.lowing wrote:
Even if you say it was stolen or conquered. There still is no difference as to HOW it was created from any other nation. So USmarines question is still valid.oug wrote:
What matters is HOW it was created. The fact that it got bigger due to a lost war is completely irrelevant as it does not in any way legitimise the existence of the state of Israel. So now you know what to do with your fact.
Now if you want to debate about why we pay so much attention to the case of Palestine compared to cases like that of Cyprus, I'd guess it has something to do with the amount of violence from both sides.
and you are correct, I have been using that very argument how, just because one relgion acted violent and intolerant in the past does not mean the other is not doing so now. Your argument here is valid with your point of view. Although, I still side for Israel.
What ever happened to "To the Victor goes the spoils?" Israel won...they're in charge...they make the rules.
I <3 Benyamin Netanyahu
EDIT: I still stand on my original notion...as long as the Palelstinians harbor terrorists like Hamas they deserve nothing.
I <3 Benyamin Netanyahu
EDIT: I still stand on my original notion...as long as the Palelstinians harbor terrorists like Hamas they deserve nothing.
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i bet ireland wants some land back. what about them? fuck ireland eh? dont like them? or are they not involved with jews so we dont care?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Briti … ne1920.pnglowing wrote:
Show me a map with the NATION of Palestine on it.rammunition wrote:
show me a map before 1947 with Israel on it
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i thought not.
I thought not.
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