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2009-06-14 10:54:45
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6813|North Carolina

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:


what do you mean by bad company?
There would seem to be a lot of evidence suggesting he associated with Al Quida and/or Taliban members.  He was seized in a raid at a mosque with several individuals who turned out to be guilty.
There was not even a single evidence. He was unlucky to be in wrong place in wrong time. And he pays the price with 7 years of his life. He was delivered to USA by Pakistan btw.

As a Chad national living in Saudi Arabia, his opportunities for education and advancement were extremely limited, so Mohammed left his home for Pakistan, hoping to learn English and train to work with computers.
Because of his vulnerable situation, he's actually more likely to have been a terrorist.  Terror leaders prey on the desperate and uneducated.  He basically fits their target profile in many cases.

I'm not immediately declaring he is guilty or defending his torture, but a trial needs to be pursued.
2009-06-14 11:28:41
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6929|Istanbul-Turkey

Cybargs wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

Macbeth wrote:


Hmm
Internationally respected journalist covering a story > Kid at a mosque with a bunch of dudes that were terrorist.
Commie country North Korea > ambassador of liberty USA.
Oh god lawl. If they are so much better than the US, why are they still getting a shitload of foreign aid?
I didnt mean that. It was my bad, wrong sign to put. What I meant is that you can expect North Koreans to make such an action but it is weird for a country that declares itself freedom spreader.
2009-06-14 11:34:56
Ottomania
Troll has returned.
+62|6929|Istanbul-Turkey

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


There would seem to be a lot of evidence suggesting he associated with Al Quida and/or Taliban members.  He was seized in a raid at a mosque with several individuals who turned out to be guilty.
There was not even a single evidence. He was unlucky to be in wrong place in wrong time. And he pays the price with 7 years of his life. He was delivered to USA by Pakistan btw.

As a Chad national living in Saudi Arabia, his opportunities for education and advancement were extremely limited, so Mohammed left his home for Pakistan, hoping to learn English and train to work with computers.
Because of his vulnerable situation, he's actually more likely to have been a terrorist.  Terror leaders prey on the desperate and uneducated.  He basically fits their target profile in many cases.

I'm not immediately declaring he is guilty or defending his torture, but a trial needs to be pursued.
He was cleared already and returned to Chad. He was lucky that some volunteers looked after him otherwise he would be spending his whole life in prison.
2009-06-14 11:36:29
imortal
Member
+240|7072|Austin, TX

Ottomania wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Ottomania wrote:


Commie country North Korea > ambassador of liberty USA.
Oh god lawl. If they are so much better than the US, why are they still getting a shitload of foreign aid?
I didnt mean that. It was my bad, wrong sign to put. What I meant is that you can expect North Koreans to make such an action but it is weird for a country that declares itself freedom spreader.
..and you are drawing a parallel to a reporter and someone believed to have been a terrorist?
2009-06-14 12:09:08
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6813|North Carolina

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:


There was not even a single evidence. He was unlucky to be in wrong place in wrong time. And he pays the price with 7 years of his life. He was delivered to USA by Pakistan btw.

As a Chad national living in Saudi Arabia, his opportunities for education and advancement were extremely limited, so Mohammed left his home for Pakistan, hoping to learn English and train to work with computers.
Because of his vulnerable situation, he's actually more likely to have been a terrorist.  Terror leaders prey on the desperate and uneducated.  He basically fits their target profile in many cases.

I'm not immediately declaring he is guilty or defending his torture, but a trial needs to be pursued.
He was cleared already and returned to Chad. He was lucky that some volunteers looked after him otherwise he would be spending his whole life in prison.
He was mostly cleared because of the abuses made against him.  That doesn't mean he's completely innocent.  Charges could be brought against him if new evidence surfaces, or if the current evidence becomes more fruitful.

Again, I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it seems a bit early to assume he was completely innocent.
2009-06-14 12:40:27
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7029|London, England

usmarine wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

ni?
negroes

And Mek I'm pretty sure most of them are white
It seemed most Marines were white.  Cant say the same for the Army.  And this is the truth, but there was churchs chicken (and other chicken fast food places) on Army bases, but Marine bases had BK and McD's or whatever.
I only said it cos I was surprised that they were being racist in the way of saying nigger etc.. I mean it's easy to see them being racist towards Arabs and shit seeing as there's probably hardly any in your military (except for that General) but from what I've seen there's quite a large amount of black people in the US Military and I'm sure there's quite a few posted at Gitmo so the fact that this guy was racially abused and called a nigger came to a surprise to me

Then again it's also interesting how all the alleged massacres and prison abuses etc.. rarely ever involved non-white servicemen
2009-06-15 09:23:24
Ottomania
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+62|6929|Istanbul-Turkey

imortal wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

Cybargs wrote:


Oh god lawl. If they are so much better than the US, why are they still getting a shitload of foreign aid?
I didnt mean that. It was my bad, wrong sign to put. What I meant is that you can expect North Koreans to make such an action but it is weird for a country that declares itself freedom spreader.
..and you are drawing a parallel to a reporter and someone believed to have been a terrorist?
And that reporter may believed to be a assassin/spy?

Yes both are equal for me since both are innocent.
2009-06-15 09:24:46
Ottomania
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+62|6929|Istanbul-Turkey

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Because of his vulnerable situation, he's actually more likely to have been a terrorist.  Terror leaders prey on the desperate and uneducated.  He basically fits their target profile in many cases.

I'm not immediately declaring he is guilty or defending his torture, but a trial needs to be pursued.
He was cleared already and returned to Chad. He was lucky that some volunteers looked after him otherwise he would be spending his whole life in prison.
He was mostly cleared because of the abuses made against him.  That doesn't mean he's completely innocent.  Charges could be brought against him if new evidence surfaces, or if the current evidence becomes more fruitful.

Again, I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it seems a bit early to assume he was completely innocent.
Was 7 years not enough to decide?
2009-06-15 14:04:40
imortal
Member
+240|7072|Austin, TX

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:


what do you mean by bad company?
There would seem to be a lot of evidence suggesting he associated with Al Quida and/or Taliban members.  He was seized in a raid at a mosque with several individuals who turned out to be guilty.
There was not even a single evidence. He was unlucky to be in wrong place in wrong time. And he pays the price with 7 years of his life. He was delivered to USA by Pakistan btw.

As a Chad national living in Saudi Arabia, his opportunities for education and advancement were extremely limited, so Mohammed left his home for Pakistan, hoping to learn English and train to work with computers.
Okay, some people have been in the wrong place at the wrong time and paid for it with their lives.  All of it.  So, in that circumstance, 7 years isn't such a bad deal.  14, from Chad, and living in Saudi Arabia, then on to Pakistan?  I am not completely familiar, but is that common?  His moves alone would trip my suspicion meter. 

And, I would not call him completely innocent.  Even if he just got into a bad situation with a bad crowd, and didn't actually conduct any active terrorist acts, I think he was moving down that road.  But there is no proof, and so out he goes.
2009-06-15 19:36:10
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6813|North Carolina

Ottomania wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Ottomania wrote:


He was cleared already and returned to Chad. He was lucky that some volunteers looked after him otherwise he would be spending his whole life in prison.
He was mostly cleared because of the abuses made against him.  That doesn't mean he's completely innocent.  Charges could be brought against him if new evidence surfaces, or if the current evidence becomes more fruitful.

Again, I'm not saying the guy is guilty, but it seems a bit early to assume he was completely innocent.
Was 7 years not enough to decide?
Good point...  I don't know.  I'm not saying they should continue detaining him, but we shouldn't just let him disappear either.  This is the sort of guy we need to watch (especially since he now has an understandable hatred of us).
2009-06-16 20:48:15
13rin
Member
+977|6887
17-24 years old?  Probably saved his life.  Militant jackasses tend to die when attacking US forces.  Go and don't be a militant jackass.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

 

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