Poll

Iran: Selection or Election?

Selection/fraud85%85% - 81
Election/legitimate14%14% - 14
Total: 95
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7029|London, England
Stuff like that only makes it easy for people like a-jod to rile up the anti american sentiment.

The New York Times last night identified the author of the request as Jared Cohen, a 27-year-old state department official. Twitter complied with the request, delaying its overhaul until last night. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju … an-twitter
/facepalm

Especially if it's a Jew who is behind it all.

edit: Also found this from the gaurdian, apprently more a-jod photoshopping (just like the missiles)

https://kheirkhah.ir/media/Image/Weblog%202/Keyhan-ehtics.jpg

To make the crowd look bigger

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-06-17 05:12:22)

TeamZephyr
Maintaining My Rage Since 1975
+124|6937|Hillside, Melbourne, Australia
Here's a piece by Tehran correspondent for the ABC (Australian version)

'Sheer intimidation, and it worked'

By Middle East correspondent Ben Knight

ABC Middle East correspondent Ben Knight files a story from Tehran

Middle East correspondent Ben Knight has left Iran after the country tightened its controls on foreign journalists. This is his story of how the election aftermath unfolded.

A few hours ago, the ABC's Middle East cameraman Brant Cumming and I left Iran after a nine-day assignment.

We're now sitting in Doha airport, and I'm feeling a mix of relief and regret.

Iran has been a frightening place to be over the past few days.

After that incredible final week leading up to the election, when people took joyfully to the streets and expressed themselves as never before in Iran, it was as though someone suddenly turned on the house lights at the cinema after the movie had ended and harsh reality snapped back.

It began just hours after the polls closed. We had been told that the main opposition challenger, Mir Hossein Mousavi, was about to hold a press conference.

We would not be allowed in. His minders were concerned about being seen to cosy up to Western journalists, but we could film from outside.

So we went. And we filmed the crowd of supporters outside the campaign office, watching them as the reality dawned on them that the election was gone.

I've done this many times in Australian elections. But never before have the riot police turned up and without warning, charged the party faithful with tear gas, sending them stampeding into each other in panic.

It was utterly unprovoked. All they had been doing was standing on the road. I didn't know it then, but it was the first strike of the government's failed attempt to crush the opposition from the moment the election was over.

A dangerous challenge

I spoke with Iranians who were there and others who had heard about it. They all agreed that this was it - it was over.

No one would dare challenge this result. They all knew too well what would happen if they did.

But that's exactly what we saw the next day.

As we were driving back to the hotel from an interview, we stumbled across the beginnings of the first demonstration, held in front of the Ministry of Information.

We grabbed the camera and the tripod and did what we would normally do - ran towards it to start filming.

But we only got about 100 metres before a motor scooter carrying two men pulled up in front of us.

The man at the back introduced himself as a member of the Iranian secret police, asked for our ID and told us firmly that the area was forbidden.

We decided not to waste time arguing or risk arrest but to head back to the hotel, to shoot the protest from one of the upper floors.

But as we walked back, some of the protesters tried to drag us back to film what was happening. Then another civilian put his hand over the lens.

As we walked into the foyer of the hotel, another secret police officer was waiting for us, demanding to see what we had shot.

Once we'd dealt with that, we went up to the 11th floor to watch. We saw riot police on motorbikes swarming like ants into the crowd.

One officer would control the bike while the other sat on the back, swinging truncheons at whoever they passed. Other police on foot weighed into protesters as well, chasing them down the street.

From there, of course, the violence only got worse - culminating in the death of eight civilians in Tehran on Monday night.

But by then, the protesters had already shifted tactics. Not only were the protests getting bigger, they were also largely peaceful.

The police had changed tactics too, allowing the protests to go ahead without the usual response of violent dispersal.

But at the same time, we were starting to feel more and more uncomfortable.

In the space of 24 hours, we heard three separate references from senior Iranians, from Mahmoud Ahamdinejad down, blaming 'foreign media' for inciting the clashes.

It was bullshit, but it was dangerous bullshit.

Reporters under fire

Unlike other conflicts we've seen (and we've both covered some major conflicts) we felt we were now a target; both of Mr Ahmadinejad's supporters, and the police.

It was confirmed when we found out other reporters had been attacked while out covering the story.

George McLeod from the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper came back to the hotel with red welts on his throat after being detained by police.

He'd also been stabbed in the stomach with plastic bottles. I tried hard to picture what that meant, but I couldn't.

I figured it wasn't a pleasant experience.

Tim Marshall from Sky TV was hit and knocked into a deep gutter, gashing his leg. He was limping around in hotel slippers when I saw him last.

Then we were told by other reporters that there had been armed police roaming the hotel foyer.

I have no doubt that the authorities were trying to frighten us out of the country. And it was working.

Every time we walked out of the front door of the hotel, carrying our camera and tripod, and standing out like dog's you-know-whats, we felt less and less comfortable.

I felt safer in Beirut in May last year when Hezbollah and the Sunni militia were shooting it out in the streets.

As long as I didn't go chasing the bullets, I felt like no-one was actually aiming at us. We were not part of the conflict.

This was different.

The bureau's cameraman, Brant, has been in far more dangerous places than I; Baghdad, South Ossetia, Afghanistan, and more. But even he was spooked by the sheer sense of menace in the city towards us, which didn't help my mood at all.

We felt like we were dodging secret police, riot police, religious police, regular police, or the Basij militia wherever we went.

Yet everywhere we went, the camera would attract a crowd of a dozen curious locals in the space of 30 seconds.

Forbidden media

We perfected the art of shooting a piece to camera in one take, or squeezing off some interviews with people in minutes, before jumping back in the taxi and moving off again.

Then, on the day after the eight civilians were killed, our Iranian translator took a phone call with a message from the Ministry of Islamic Guidance, which oversees the foreign media in Iran.

All press cards had been cancelled; journalists were banned from covering any unauthorised gatherings; and we were to work only in our offices or hotels.

The message was clear enough. But then this bit was added on the end: 'The police are no longer in charge of the city; it is now under the authority of the Revolutionary Guards.'

It was obviously sheer intimidation. And to be brutally honest, it worked.

I've always felt anger that the warlords of places like Sudan make the place so utterly dangerous that few journalists will go there, giving them freedom to do as they please.

I knew that this was what the Iranian authorities wanted. But with only one day left on the visa, and confined to our hotel room, Brant and I decided it was simply time to go.

As we drove out to the airport at one o'clock in the morning, the streets were quiet. But then we passed another of those motorcycle goon squads, out looking for trouble.

This time, the guys on the back were holding two truncheons - one in each hand.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6630|Escea

Mekstizzle wrote:

Stuff like that only makes it easy for people like a-jod to rile up the anti american sentiment.

The New York Times last night identified the author of the request as Jared Cohen, a 27-year-old state department official. Twitter complied with the request, delaying its overhaul until last night. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju … an-twitter
/facepalm

Especially if it's a Jew who is behind it all.

edit: Also found this from the gaurdian, apprently more a-jod photoshopping (just like the missiles)

http://kheirkhah.ir/media/Image/Weblog% … ehtics.jpg

To make the crowd look bigger
Iran has a thing about making blatant photoshops.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7130|Eastern PA
Interesting:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iran/story/70155.html

Iran's senior ayatollah slams election, confirming split

"No one in their right mind can believe" the official results from Friday's contest, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri said of the landslide victory claimed by Ahmadinejad. Montazeri accused the regime of handling Mousavi's charges of fraud and the massive protests of his backers "in the worst way possible."

"A government not respecting people's vote has no religious or political legitimacy," he declared in comments on his official Web site. "I ask the police and army personals (personnel) not to 'sell their religion,' and beware that receiving orders will not excuse them before God."

...

Montazeri's pointed public comments provided fresh evidence that a serious rift has opened at the top of Iran's powerful religious hierarchy after Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei endorsed the official election results and the harsh crackdown against the opposition.

A leader of the 1979 Islamic revolution who's often feuded with Khamenei and once vied with him for the supreme leader's position, Montazeri accused the government of attacking "the children of the people with astonishing violence" and "attempting a purge, arresting intellectuals, political opponents and scientifics."

"He is questioning the legitimacy of the election and also questioning the legitimacy of (Khamenei's) leadership, and this is the heart of the political battle in Iran," said Mehdi Noorbaksh, an associate professor of international affairs at Harrisburg University of Science and Technology in Pennsylvania. "This is very significant. This is huge support for Mousavi and the demonstrators on the reformists' side."
Looks like almost EVERYBODY was fed up with Ahmadinejad and Khamanei.

EDIT: More on Montazeri and his full statement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Ayat … _Montazeri
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/t … stand.html

In the name of God

    People of Iran

    These last days, we have witnessed the lively efforts of you brothers and sisters, old and 210px-Montazeri young alike, from any social category, for the 10th presidential elections.

    Our youth, hoping to see their rightful will fulfilled, came on the scene and waited patiently. This was the greatest occasion for the government’s officials to bond with their people.

    But unfortunately, they used it in the worst way possible. Declaring results that no one in their right mind can believe, and despite all the evidence of crafted results, and to counter people protestations, in front of the eyes of the same nation who carried the weight of a revolution and 8 years of war, in front of the eyes of local and foreign reporters, attacked the children of the people with astonishing violence. And now they are attempting a purge, arresting intellectuals, political opponents and Scientifics.

    Now, based on my religious duties, I will remind you :

    1- A legitimate state must respect all points of view. It may not oppress all critical views. I fear that this lead to the lost of people’s faith in Islam.

    2- Given the current circumstances, I expect the government to take all measures to restore people’s confidence. Otherwise, as I have already said, a government not respecting people’s vote has no religious or political legitimacy.

    3- I invite everyone, specially the youth, to continue reclaiming their dues in calm, and not let those who want to associate this movement with chaos succeed.

    4- I ask the police and army personals not to “sell their religion”, and beware that receiving orders will not excuse them before god. Recognize the protesting youth as your children. Today censor and cutting telecommunication lines can not hide the truth.

    I pray for the greatness of the Iranian people.

Last edited by Masques (2009-06-17 13:05:48)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7029|London, England
lol Pirate Bay switches itself to "Persian bay" and links to some anonymous forum to help Iranians take down the man

http://thepiratebay.org/
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7073|NT, like Mick Dundee

Seems like a major shitfight between the extremists members of the senior clergy and the moderate ones.
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imortal
Member
+240|7072|Austin, TX
And now Iran is back on the very familiar territory of accusing the US of meddling in the election.

Iran accuses US of meddling after disputed vote
TEHRAN, Iran – Iran accused the United States on Wednesday of "intolerable" meddling in its internal affairs, alleging for the first time that Washington has fueled a bitter postelection dispute. Opposition supporters marched in huge numbers through Tehran's streets for a third straight day to protest the outcome of the balloting.

The Iranian government summoned the Swiss ambassador, who represents U.S. interests in Iran, to complain about American interference, state-run Press TV reported.

The English-language channel said the government called Western interference "intolerable."

A State Department spokesman said the U.S. was withholding judgment about the election and not interfering in Iranian internal affairs.

President Barack Obama has reacted cautiously to opposition allegations that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stole the election, saying he shared the world's "deep concerns" but it was "not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling."

The two countries broke off diplomatic relations after the 1979 Islamic Revolution and Iranian hard-liners frequently accuse internal enemies of allying with the U.S. and other Western powers to overthrow the ruling system.

Iran summoned the Czech, France, German and British ambassadors Tuesday, state television said.

A crackdown on dissent continued, with more arrests of opposition figures reported, and the country's most powerful military force — the Revolutionary Guard — saying that Iranian Web sites and bloggers must remove any materials that "create tension" or face legal action.

But supporters were undeterred in their support of reformist candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, who has called himself the winner of the June 12 election. Amateur video and state television footage showed thousands of people marching along an overpass in Tehran in support of Mousavi, a demonstration that swallowed several lanes of traffic and appeared to stretch for many blocks.

Marchers flashed the victory sign or carried placards, and some were dressed in green — the color of Mousavi's campaign.

It was the third day in a row that Mousavi supporters have taken to the streets, and he called for another demonstration on Thursday — a direct challenge to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and the cleric-led system.

Mousavi is calling for the election to be declared invalid and held again.

Khamenei has told Mousavi to pursue his demands through the electoral system and called for Iranians to unite behind their Islamic government, an extraordinary appeal in response to tensions over the vote. Mousavi still called for his followers to wear or carry black in mourning Thursday for the alleged election fraud and the deaths of protesters. Official media have reported seven deaths.

The street protests, paired with dissent from powerful clerical and political figures, have presented one of the gravest threats to Iran's complex blend of democracy and religious authority since the system emerged from the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

In an apparent sign of solidarity with Mousavi, several Iranian soccer players wore green tape on their wrists Wednesday during a World Cup qualifying match in South Korea that was televised in Iran. Among those who wore the tape was captain Mehdi Mahdavikia.

Mousavi's Web site said seven Iranian players wore the bands in the first half, although most were forced to take them off before the second. Iran and South Korea drew 1-1.

The game was televised in Iran but authorities have been trying to control information about dissent, blocked Web sites, jamming satellite signals and barring foreign media from leaving their offices to report on demonstrations on the streets of Tehran.

Blogs and Web sites such as Facebook and Twitter have become vital conduits for Iranians to inform the world about protests and violence.

The BBC said the jamming of its broadcasts had become "progressively worse," with its BBC Arabic television and other language services knocked off the air at various points by interference traced to Iran.

A spokeswoman said traffic for both the Voice of America's Persian language service and Radio Farda sites had increased by 200 percent since before the election but radio and for television jamming persisted.

Videos and photos posted by people inside Iran show scenes of violence that have not been reported through official channels. The new media restrictions make it virtually impossible to independently verify much of the information, which includes dramatic images of street clashes and wounded demonstrators.

Much of the imagery has been posted anonymously. In other cases, those who have posted have declined to be identified due to fear of government retaliation, or cannot be reached due to government restrictions on the Internet and mobile phones. One such image, purportedly from the southern city of Shiraz, showed crowds walking in the street around a burning motorcycle that some say belonged to pro-government militia members who attacked protesters.

Mousavi and reformist former President Mohammad Khatami wrote a letter to the State Security Council, the country's highest authority on internal security, to complain about attacks on protesters by plainclothes "basiji," a paramilitary force under the Revolutionary Guard.

Mousavi said militiamen had been smashing windows, setting cars on fire and attacking people with batons, iron chains and bars and authorities had been blaming Mousavi supporters.

He also wrote to the head of the judiciary to complain about attacks on protesters and arrests of activists from their homes.

The Revolutionary Guard, an elite military force answering to Khamenei, said through the state news service that its investigators have taken action against "deviant news sites" that encouraged public disturbances. The Guard is a separate military with enormous domestic influence and control of Iran's most important defense programs. It is one of the key sources of power for the ruling establishment.

The statement alleged that dissident Web sites were backed by Canadian, U.S. and British interests.

"Legal action will be very strong," it said.

Unlike many dissidents, Mousavi has the ability to press his case with Iran's highest authorities and could gain powerful allies. Some influential clerics have expressed concern about possible election irregularities, and a fierce critic of Ahmadinejad, former President Hashemi Rafsanjani, is part of the ruling establishment.

Iranian TV showed pictures of Faezeh Hashemi, Rafsanjani's daughter, speaking to hundreds of Mousavi supporters, carrying pictures of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini and others.

Iran's most senior dissident cleric, Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, said widespread vote fraud had undermined the legitimacy of the ruling Islamic system and that "no sound mind" would accept the results.

"A government that is based on intervening in (the public's) vote has no political or religious legitimacy," said Montazeri, who had once been set to succeed Khomeini as supreme leader until he was ousted because of criticisms of the revolution.

State media said Khamenei would deliver the sermon at Friday prayers, the most important religious address of the week. The supreme leader generally leads Friday prayers only two or three times a year.

The U.S.-based International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran said several dozen noted figures associated with the reform movement have been arrested, among them politicians, intellectuals, activists and journalists.

Analyst Saeed Leilaz, who is often quoted by Western media, was arrested Wednesday by plainclothes security officers at his home, said his wife, Sepehrnaz Panahi. The group said Mohammad-Reza Jalaipour, another noted Iranian analyst, had also been arrested.

At least 10 Iranian journalists have been arrested since the election, Reporters Without Borders said, and a Web site run by former Vice President Mohammad Ali Abtahi said the reformist had been arrested.

Prominent reformer Saeed Hajjarian has also been detained, Hajjarian's wife, Vajiheh Masousi, told The Associated Press. Hajjarian is a close aide to former President Mohammad Khatami.

The main electoral authority has said it was prepared to conduct a limited recount of ballots at sites where candidates claim irregularities. The recount would be overseen by the Guardian Council, an unelected body of 12 clerics and Islamic law experts close to Khamenei.

But Mousavi alleges the Guardian Council is not neutral and has already indicated it supports Ahmadinejad.

Ahmadinejad, who has dismissed the unrest as little more than "passions after a soccer match," attended a summit Tuesday in Russia that was delayed a day by the unrest. He returned to Iran and held a cabinet meeting, saying on state television Wednesday that people had voted for his "policies of justice."
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6630|Escea

God Dinnerjacket's government fails so hard.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6945|Long Island, New York
"Take the websites and our cell phones, we don't give our country to you!" - Iranian Twitterer

beast
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6109|College Park, MD
The Iranian people need to go 1776 on Ahmadinejad's ass
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Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7124
The people are speaking and that is beyond awesome... They are sick of the bullshit in Iran and want to be part of the world... and i say welcome to the people who just want to live and let live...   It is very funny that Aquadooshjihad and co are blaming the US... that isn't going to work this time cleric asshats... 
    Obama has only made a slight condemnation... he doesn't want to touch the Iranian situation with a 10 ft pole...

My thoughts and prayers are with the people over there who have the balls to protest the sham election....

Last edited by [TUF]Catbox (2009-06-17 21:46:12)

Love is the answer
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7008|132 and Bush

Has CNN recovered yet? .. lol
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6945|Long Island, New York

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

The Iranian people need to go 1776 on Ahmadinejad's ass
They've already gone 1776 on another one of their gov'ts....that worked well. Iran's probably one of the least stable countries out there.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6950|Texas - Bigger than France
Does anyone know what Iran's laws are - whether they can hold another election?

It sounds like there's a huge uprising or something, so I'm wondering if they will, if they can, and should they.

I just think it's the media pumping up the chaos per usual.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7073|NT, like Mick Dundee

Pug several constitutional laws have already been broken with regards to this election afaik.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6630|Escea

Its pretty clear at this point that Dinnerjacket thinks the whole situation is a big joke, god that guy is a douchebag. People are dying in his streets at the hand of his militia and police, there's riots and huge protests, and he's busy smiling away in Yekaterinberg pulling off his usual 'its teh US's fault I screwed my country.'
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6950|Texas - Bigger than France

Flecco wrote:

Pug several constitutional laws have already been broken with regards to this election afaik.
Is it in this thread?  I'm too lazy to read it or google at the moment.

I'll figure out which were broken myself...just want to save time.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7073|NT, like Mick Dundee

Pug wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Pug several constitutional laws have already been broken with regards to this election afaik.
Is it in this thread?  I'm too lazy to read it or google at the moment.

I'll figure out which were broken myself...just want to save time.
It was mentioned earlier. By Kerry I think. About waiting 3 days before confirming a winner for any people to air their complaints or concerns. I believe that post also mentioned another law that appeared to have been broken.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Narupug
Fodder Mostly
+150|6004|Vacationland
From what I see I would say the revolution has started, now the only question is will it end up like Tiannamen Square or the October revolution.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7130|Eastern PA

Pug wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Pug several constitutional laws have already been broken with regards to this election afaik.
Is it in this thread?  I'm too lazy to read it or google at the moment.

I'll figure out which were broken myself...just want to save time.
The major one broken was the requirement to wait 3 days to suss through any irregularities. Which is unusual because the regime, for all of its faults has in the past generally respected election results. If they didn't like what the reformers were doing in parliament or via the presidency the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council simply intervened in the daily business of government (as they did heavily during Khatami's presidency). But they haven't tampered with election results in such a brazen way before.

The rest were really just really strange occurrences that hinted toward major fraud, they include:

1. None of the other candidates won their home regions
2. Ahmadinejad had consistent numbers across the whole country (in any election you'd figure that support would vary according to region, I'd be like Obama or McCain in the last election getting 60% in every single state)
3. Almost every poll showed Ahmadinejad in 3rd place behind the 2 reformist candidates (Mousavi and Kerroubi). This is not necessarily a red flag by itself, but with everything else...
4. 70% of Iran's population is under 30 and a similar percentage is urban. Mousavi enjoyed a large lead in those two groups (Ahmadinejad is said to have won Tehran by over 50%, which from all available information (and common sense) seems impossible)
5. Some external polling showed that even a sizable portion of the Sepah e Pasdaran (Army of Guardians aka Revolutionary Guard) planned to vote for Mousavi


There are plenty of other inconsistencies, but those seem to be the major ones (I'm sure I've missed some others).
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7008|132 and Bush

Xbone Stormsurgezz
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7073|NT, like Mick Dundee

I'd like to learn Farsi and Arabic.

Might have to order some courses once I get a steady cash-flow again.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6950|Texas - Bigger than France

Masques wrote:

Pug wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Pug several constitutional laws have already been broken with regards to this election afaik.
Is it in this thread?  I'm too lazy to read it or google at the moment.

I'll figure out which were broken myself...just want to save time.
The major one broken was the requirement to wait 3 days to suss through any irregularities. Which is unusual because the regime, for all of its faults has in the past generally respected election results. If they didn't like what the reformers were doing in parliament or via the presidency the Supreme Leader and the Guardian Council simply intervened in the daily business of government (as they did heavily during Khatami's presidency). But they haven't tampered with election results in such a brazen way before.

The rest were really just really strange occurrences that hinted toward major fraud, they include:
Big thanks Masques

@Flecco - I have a friend who was an artist - cartooning was what he wanted to do after college.  He was facinated by Farsi, learned it himself.  And when the second Iraqi invasion happened, the US asked for translators - so he joined up and now is in the signal corps as a translator.  Lost touch with the guy, but he loved speaking with the local Iraqis about day to day stuff (beyond interrogation, that is).
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7008|132 and Bush

I think the next 24 hours are going to be extremely interesting.
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Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|6109|College Park, MD

Kmarion wrote:

I think the next 24 hours are going to be extremely interesting.
why
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