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And then if we go in we'll be accused of meddling and they'll unite against us.
Yeah, wonderful plan.
Yeah, wonderful plan.

“I felt a great disturbance in the force,” goes Obi-Wan Kenobi’s line from Star Wars: A New Hope, “As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror. Then were suddenly silenced.”
With all due respect Kmarion, I disagree. The only uniting that would happen, in my opinion, would be the opposition's side. Voicing our solidarity would add to their strengths and numbers more than the theocracy.Kmarion wrote:
No you don't get it at all. The primary reason for not overtly picking a side has to do with the fact that it is going to unite the Iranians against a common enemy. ..us.
Well if it makes you feel better I think he should at least condemn the violence against the protesters. .. and I mean say "I condemn". That type of thuggery should be condemned. .. and we should make no bones about our disagreement with those tactics (beatings, murder, destruction of personal property).Harmor wrote:
With all due respect Kmarion, I disagree. The only uniting that would happen, in my opinion, would be the opposition's side. Voicing our solidarity would add to their strengths and numbers more than the theocracy.Kmarion wrote:
No you don't get it at all. The primary reason for not overtly picking a side has to do with the fact that it is going to unite the Iranians against a common enemy. ..us.
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That we both can agree on. I believe that by him keeping quiet about it initially was him being complicit to the hardliners' tactics.
you know, i have seen some fucked up shit. and those photos of that dead chick protester or whatever is fake as shit.
tbh I don't understand why he hasn't. We also should be hosting their diplomats on the fourth.. not after this. That is going to look EXTREMELY bad.Harmor wrote:
That we both can agree on. I believe that by him keeping quiet about it initially was him being complicit to the hardliners' tactics.
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condemnation not invasion...Poseidon wrote:
And then if we go in we'll be accused of meddling and they'll unite against us.
Yeah, wonderful plan.
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yea, at least the Basiji crap.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
condemnation not invasion...Poseidon wrote:
And then if we go in we'll be accused of meddling and they'll unite against us.
Yeah, wonderful plan.
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Pretty much... and besides, what's happening now is pretty much what we wanted back in the 80s.Poseidon wrote:
And then if we go in we'll be accused of meddling and they'll unite against us.
Yeah, wonderful plan.
It's actually in our best interests to let Iran weaken itself until our intervention (should we choose to intervene) meets as little resistance as possible.
But yeah, I'm starting to doubt that Mousavi has much more to offer our interests than Ahmadinejad does.
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I think soon it might be time to change tactics.
All about the timing. Maybe international intervention will be welcome.
Thing is last time we dicked around in that area, we created the current situation.
All about the timing. Maybe international intervention will be welcome.
Thing is last time we dicked around in that area, we created the current situation.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Don't they realise that:[TUF]Catbox wrote:
from an Iranian facebook page and Gooya.com
http://news.gooya.com/en/archives/2009/ … rda_1.html
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/c … 90x445.jpg
a) This is their issue
b) Outside involvement will only make it worse for them, and easier for the Government/Militia
Unless things get really bad, this is something that they're going to have to do themselves... IMO. Although I suppose the US and UK could do some of that secret CIA MI6/Secret Service shit
apparently, neither do a lot of people here...Mekstizzle wrote:
Don't they realise that:
Ha! He listened. There was a definite shift in tone.Kmarion wrote:
Well if it makes you feel better I think he should at least condemn the violence against the protesters. .. and I mean say "I condemn". That type of thuggery should be condemned. .. and we should make no bones about our disagreement with those tactics (beatings, murder, destruction of personal property).Harmor wrote:
With all due respect Kmarion, I disagree. The only uniting that would happen, in my opinion, would be the opposition's side. Voicing our solidarity would add to their strengths and numbers more than the theocracy.Kmarion wrote:
No you don't get it at all. The primary reason for not overtly picking a side has to do with the fact that it is going to unite the Iranians against a common enemy. ..us.
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His best speech yet.
"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)
Thanks, I try.LividBovine wrote:
His best speech yet.
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He saw how the political wind was blowing and he attempted to save face... Love when the 3 journalists asked him questions about his change in tone from a few days ago at the news conference today... He did not like the fact they questioned him...
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It seems that this revolution is heading south, but we can not give up hope we must believe. Believe that the will of a people is enough to overthrow a unjust ruler. Believe that democracy will triumph over Hegemony.
Hard to say if it would have got anymore traction if Obama had had the balls to condemn it early on...?Narupug wrote:
It seems that this revolution is heading south, but we can not give up hope we must believe. Believe that the will of a people is enough to overthrow a unjust ruler. Believe that democracy will triumph over Hegemony.
I think it has made a statement that the young Iranians want to be free...
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As I said before I'mdinnerjacket is going to have to work with his opposition to some degree me thinks. .. to pacify them over the next few years.
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Neda Soltan's family 'forced out of home' by Iranian authorities
Well i hope this will piss of the iranians even more. And a revolution woulden't be that bad.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/ju … forced-outThe Iranian authorities have ordered the family of Neda Agha Soltan out of their Tehran home after shocking images of her death were circulated around the world.
Neighbours said that her family no longer lives in the four-floor apartment building on Meshkini Street, in eastern Tehran, having been forced to move since she was killed. The police did not hand the body back to her family, her funeral was cancelled, she was buried without letting her family know and the government banned mourning ceremonies at mosques, the neighbours said.
"We just know that they [the family] were forced to leave their flat," a neighbour said. The Guardian was unable to contact the family directly to confirm if they had been forced to leave.
The government is also accusing protesters of killing Soltan, describing her as a martyr of the Basij militia. Javan, a pro-government newspaper, has gone so far as to blame the recently expelled BBC correspondent, Jon Leyne, of hiring "thugs" to shoot her so he could make a documentary film.
Soltan was shot dead on Saturday evening near the scene of clashes between pro-government militias and demonstrators, turning her into a symbol of the Iranian protest movement. Barack Obama spoke of the "searing image" of Soltan's dying moments at his press conference yesterday.
Amid scenes of grief in the Soltan household with her father and mother screaming, neighbours not only from their building but from others in the area streamed out to protest at her death. But the police moved in quickly to quell any public displays of grief. They arrived as soon as they found out that a friend of Soltan had come to the family flat.
In accordance with Persian tradition, the family had put up a mourning announcement and attached a black banner to the building.
But the police took them down, refusing to allow the family to show any signs of mourning. The next day they were ordered to move out. Since then, neighbours have received suspicious calls warning them not to discuss her death with anyone and not to make any protest.
A tearful middle-aged woman who was an immediate neighbour said her family had not slept for days because of the oppressive presence of the Basij militia, out in force in the area harassing people since Soltan's death.
The area in front of Soltan's house was empty today. There was no sign of black cloths, banners or mourning. Secret police patrolled the street.
"We are trembling," one neighbour said. "We are still afraid. We haven't had a peaceful time in the last days, let alone her family. Nobody was allowed to console her family, they were alone, they were under arrest and their daughter was just killed. I can't imagine how painful it was for them. Her friends came to console her family but the police didn't let them in and forced them to disperse and arrested some of them. Neda's family were not even given a quite moment to grieve."
Another man said many would have turned up to show their sympathy had it not been for the police.
"In Iran, when someone dies, neighbours visit the family and will not let them stay alone for weeks but Neda's family was forced to be alone, otherwise the whole of Iran would gather here," he said. "The government is terrible, they are even accusing pro-Mousavi people of killing Neda and have just written in their websites that Neda is a Basiji (government militia) martyr. That's ridiculous – if that's true why don't they let her family hold any funeral or ceremonies? Since the election, you are not able to trust one word from the government." A shopkeeper said he had often met Soltan, who used to come to his store.
"She was a kind, innocent girl. She treated me well and I appreciated her behaviour. I was surprised when I found out that she was killed by the riot police. I knew she was a student as she mentioned that she was going to university. She always had a nice peaceful smile and now she has been sacrificed for the government's vote-rigging in the presidential election."
Well i hope this will piss of the iranians even more. And a revolution woulden't be that bad.
They are trying to prevent her from being a martyr.
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a little late for that isn't it?