Just because a choice you make puts you in a minority does not make you abnormal, everyone has the right to be happy, we choose what makes us happy, one of those choices may be homosexuality. Who are you to say that's wrong?
Your passion precedes your logic. I said nothing condemnation. You suggest the homosexuality is by choice and every homosexual is happy. I'm disagreeing with that point. Many are happy but I know that are those that wish they were compelled to have the urge to naturally procreate. Does not happen with buttsex you know.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Just because a choice you make puts you in a minority does not make you abnormal, everyone has the right to be happy, we choose what makes us happy, one of those choices may be homosexuality. Who are you to say that's wrong?
First, I don't know of any religion that teaches that God is "all-controlling".lowing wrote:
Wow, never looked at it that way, I would really like some religious nut job to explain away how, if God is the master of the universe, all knowing all creating, all controlling, how homosexually is not one of his creations? Great question!!cpt.fass1 wrote:
Wow Swan, from that last post(the pot one) to this one I didn't see you thinking that Homosexuals was actually a god created thing. Well if you believe that god created everything he'd have to create them. Also admitt that it wasn't a life choice..
Second, most things that we possess can be mishandled, misused, or perverted ... including something like sexual behavior. Just because a parent has a gun in the home, it doesn't mean that the parent's intent is for the kids to play with the gun and accidentally kill one another ... just because the parents have cleaning fluid in the home doesn't mean that it is their intent for the kids to sniff it to the point of death.
Thus, the question is not about God's design, but about who gets to decide what is the improper use of something: individuals, the government, or some revelation from God.
If you wish to procreate naturally as you put it, you can choose to, you might not enjoy the process (god knows drink has taken me to that point far too often ) but the choice is there if its what you truely want. If Not science gives you the option to have children without the whole sex thing involved, assuming you can find a surrogate.Swan wrote:
Your passion precedes your logic. I said nothing condemnation. You suggest the homosexuality is by choice and every homosexual is happy. I'm disagreeing with that point. Many are happy but I know that are those that wish they were compelled to have the urge to naturally procreate. Does not happen with buttsex you know.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Just because a choice you make puts you in a minority does not make you abnormal, everyone has the right to be happy, we choose what makes us happy, one of those choices may be homosexuality. Who are you to say that's wrong?
I would.SEREVENT wrote:
There's a difference though, who would want to be infertile?
Watch Gattaca, Great movie and not only possible but imo very probable.ghettoperson wrote:
I'd say that in the next 50 years or so we should be capable of tweaking someone's DNA to do whatever we want - so yes, I'd say we would be able to 'cure' it. That said, the ethical implications of changing the colour of someone's eyes let alone their sexuality would suggest to me that it's not something that will ever happen. The closest I could see happening might be to find out a child has Downs Syndrome, and then correct that before they're born.
Sexual behaviour may be a choice, but sexual attraction is not. And I'd disagree that most people marginaliseand ridicule homosexuals and prostitution... (at least where I live)OrangeHound wrote:
First, homosexual behavior is always a choice ... all sexual behavior is a choice. There is not some driving internal potion that forces a person into homosexuality, as if a person is a zombie to do such behavior like an animal. What is really at issue here is that a person has a "preference" for homosexual behavior and is repulsed by alternatives such as heterosexual behavior, asexual behavior, and bestiality.Swan wrote:
I think no one would argue that homosexuality is not a choice.
The bulk of our society currently marginalizes and ridicules those who prefer homosexual behavior, as well as several forms of heterosexual behavior (prostitution, pedophilia, etc.). And, most people that I know do not like to be marginalized and ridiculed ... so if they had an option of some effective and reasonably priced treatment that would alter their preferences, I would imagine that perhaps 60-80% would do it.
I don't have any way to put it, that's just the way it is.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
If you wish to procreate naturally as you put it.Swan wrote:
Your passion precedes your logic. I said nothing condemnation. You suggest the homosexuality is by choice and every homosexual is happy. I'm disagreeing with that point. Many are happy but I know that are those that wish they were compelled to have the urge to naturally procreate. Does not happen with buttsex you know.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Just because a choice you make puts you in a minority does not make you abnormal, everyone has the right to be happy, we choose what makes us happy, one of those choices may be homosexuality. Who are you to say that's wrong?
I just have to say on a side note the Ad on the bottom was for a gay cruise..
I didn't say it was not part of one's make-up (whether nature or nurture), I was simply saying that tt is a choice because I don't have to do it ... I don't have to participate in sexual behavior. I prefer women, but that doesn't mean that I have to hump every good looking woman I see. I may want to, but I have something called "self-control" that allows me to choose not to do that.lowing wrote:
It is not a choice, it is the same thing that makes us all different, why some like blue and some like red, why some love winter sports and some love summer sports, why some love aviation and some love cars. It is part of the make up of individuals that create a personality. no rhyme or reason to any of it.
Even if I felt an urge for homosexual activity, I believe I would still have "self-control" that would give me a choice as to whether or not to do it.
Sorry that fails, I do not see homosexuals humping in the streets any more than I do heterosexuals. You did not make this a self control issue. you made this a CHOICE issue, so my questions still stand. WHEN did you consider your options and CHOOSE to be straight?OrangeHound wrote:
I didn't say it was not part of one's make-up (whether nature or nurture), I was simply saying that tt is a choice because I don't have to do it ... I don't have to participate in sexual behavior. I prefer women, but that doesn't mean that I have to hump every good looking woman I see. I may want to, but I have something called "self-control" that allows me to choose not to do that.lowing wrote:
It is not a choice, it is the same thing that makes us all different, why some like blue and some like red, why some love winter sports and some love summer sports, why some love aviation and some love cars. It is part of the make up of individuals that create a personality. no rhyme or reason to any of it.
Even if I felt an urge for homosexual activity, I believe I would still have "self-control" that would give me a choice as to whether or not to do it.
The one for me was an ad for University of San Francisco, so it's just about the same thing as yourscpt.fass1 wrote:
I just have to say on a side note the Ad on the bottom was for a gay cruise..
Reproduction is not cloning and homosexuals have always existed among humans.cpt.fass1 wrote:
Naa I think we survive by reproduction.. Which would make the homosexual thing die out, if it wasn't a choice..Gawwad wrote:
I see you think you survive with muscles and fighting skills in the world of today.cpt.fass1 wrote:
re read it.. So evolution states that the strong survive, so thinking under that thought. Homosexuals aren't naturally the strong, so they shouldn't survive.
btw, a man can't get pregnant. Just letting you know since reproduction is kind of a big part of evolution.
Recessive traits don't necessarily affect the person in anyway. If sexual preference is found to be in our DNA.
I think you need to re-read what I have written ... I'm not saying anything more than:lowing wrote:
Sorry that fails, I do not see homosexuals humping in the streets any more than I do heterosexuals. You did not make this a self control issue. you made this a CHOICE issue, so my questions still stand. WHEN did you consider your options and CHOOSE to be straight?OrangeHound wrote:
I didn't say it was not part of one's make-up (whether nature or nurture), I was simply saying that tt is a choice because I don't have to do it ... I don't have to participate in sexual behavior. I prefer women, but that doesn't mean that I have to hump every good looking woman I see. I may want to, but I have something called "self-control" that allows me to choose not to do that.lowing wrote:
It is not a choice, it is the same thing that makes us all different, why some like blue and some like red, why some love winter sports and some love summer sports, why some love aviation and some love cars. It is part of the make up of individuals that create a personality. no rhyme or reason to any of it.
Even if I felt an urge for homosexual activity, I believe I would still have "self-control" that would give me a choice as to whether or not to do it.
Whereas sexual preference (the desire) is not necessarily a choice, all sexual behavior (the activity) is a choice. What is so hard to understand about that?
Really? I don't know of any relgion that worships God that claims he is not all knowing all controlling, all giving, etcOrangeHound wrote:
First, I don't know of any religion that teaches that God is "all-controlling".lowing wrote:
Wow, never looked at it that way, I would really like some religious nut job to explain away how, if God is the master of the universe, all knowing all creating, all controlling, how homosexually is not one of his creations? Great question!!cpt.fass1 wrote:
Wow Swan, from that last post(the pot one) to this one I didn't see you thinking that Homosexuals was actually a god created thing. Well if you believe that god created everything he'd have to create them. Also admitt that it wasn't a life choice..
Second, most things that we possess can be mishandled, misused, or perverted ... including something like sexual behavior. Just because a parent has a gun in the home, it doesn't mean that the parent's intent is for the kids to play with the gun and accidentally kill one another ... just because the parents have cleaning fluid in the home doesn't mean that it is their intent for the kids to sniff it to the point of death.
Thus, the question is not about God's design, but about who gets to decide what is the improper use of something: individuals, the government, or some revelation from God.
Nothing, except that you are not saying anything that does not apply to heterosexuals either. In other words, your post means nothing. Unless of course you are saying homosexuals should not be allowed to act on their natural desires, while the rest of us can indulge all we want.OrangeHound wrote:
I think you need to re-read what I have written ... I'm not saying anything more than:lowing wrote:
Sorry that fails, I do not see homosexuals humping in the streets any more than I do heterosexuals. You did not make this a self control issue. you made this a CHOICE issue, so my questions still stand. WHEN did you consider your options and CHOOSE to be straight?OrangeHound wrote:
I didn't say it was not part of one's make-up (whether nature or nurture), I was simply saying that tt is a choice because I don't have to do it ... I don't have to participate in sexual behavior. I prefer women, but that doesn't mean that I have to hump every good looking woman I see. I may want to, but I have something called "self-control" that allows me to choose not to do that.
Even if I felt an urge for homosexual activity, I believe I would still have "self-control" that would give me a choice as to whether or not to do it.
Whereas sexual preference (the desire) is not necessarily a choice, all sexual behavior (the activity) is a choice. What is so hard to understand about that?
So what?OrangeHound wrote:
I think you need to re-read what I have written ... I'm not saying anything more than:lowing wrote:
Sorry that fails, I do not see homosexuals humping in the streets any more than I do heterosexuals. You did not make this a self control issue. you made this a CHOICE issue, so my questions still stand. WHEN did you consider your options and CHOOSE to be straight?OrangeHound wrote:
I didn't say it was not part of one's make-up (whether nature or nurture), I was simply saying that tt is a choice because I don't have to do it ... I don't have to participate in sexual behavior. I prefer women, but that doesn't mean that I have to hump every good looking woman I see. I may want to, but I have something called "self-control" that allows me to choose not to do that.
Even if I felt an urge for homosexual activity, I believe I would still have "self-control" that would give me a choice as to whether or not to do it.
Whereas sexual preference (the desire) is not necessarily a choice, all sexual behavior (the activity) is a choice. What is so hard to understand about that?
How does that differ from heterosexuality? Why is self control an issue? What relevance is anything you've just said?
Are you suggesting that homosexuals should exercise self control and refrain from sexual activity? It doesn't really sound that way, but I really can't see any point to your post, so I'm just clutching at straws looking for some sort of meaning, other than just stating the blatantly obvious.
already asked, still waiting.Bertster7 wrote:
So what?OrangeHound wrote:
I think you need to re-read what I have written ... I'm not saying anything more than:lowing wrote:
Sorry that fails, I do not see homosexuals humping in the streets any more than I do heterosexuals. You did not make this a self control issue. you made this a CHOICE issue, so my questions still stand. WHEN did you consider your options and CHOOSE to be straight?
Whereas sexual preference (the desire) is not necessarily a choice, all sexual behavior (the activity) is a choice. What is so hard to understand about that?
How does that differ from heterosexuality? Why is self control an issue? What relevance is anything you've just said?
Are you suggesting that homosexuals should exercise self control and refrain from sexual activity? It doesn't really sound that way, but I really can't see any point to your post, so I'm just clutching at straws looking for some sort of meaning, other than just stating the blatantly obvious.
@OH: So you're saying that if you're attracted to men, you should ignore that and continue having sex with women, whether or not you find them sexually attractive. And through this you'll be 'cured' of the gay?
Well, that sure didn't work for my cousin. Married for 18 years (in a loveless marriage) with 2 kids before he got a divorce and came out of the closet.ghettoperson wrote:
@OH: So you're saying that if you're attracted to men, you should ignore that and continue having sex with women, whether or not you find them sexually attractive. And through this you'll be 'cured' of the gay?
To the OP. You might as well have asked if there was a pill that could change skin color (as in from 'black' to 'white'), would people take it? The problem is that the people you are wanting to change usually don't see themselves as being lacking anything or needing to be changed. They might not like how they are treated or portrayed, but I think the people who feel that way would rather change the system to accomodate them rather than changing themselves to accomodate the system. Of course, this is a cultural thing; go to asia and you may get a different response.
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I know. It happens to lots of men, and I'm sure many of them dearly wish they could remain a happy family, but unfortunately it isn't in their programming.imortal wrote:
Well, that sure didn't work for my cousin. Married for 18 years (in a loveless marriage) with 2 kids before he got a divorce and came out of the closet.ghettoperson wrote:
@OH: So you're saying that if you're attracted to men, you should ignore that and continue having sex with women, whether or not you find them sexually attractive. And through this you'll be 'cured' of the gay?
To the OP. You might as well have asked if there was a pill that could change skin color (as in from 'black' to 'white'), would people take it? The problem is that the people you are wanting to change usually don't see themselves as being lacking anything or needing to be changed.
Also I dont think people are born gay, they are influenced by society... down the line so there is no gay gene... you choose your own path in life based on experiences and suchSwan wrote:
NOTE: for lack of a better word I chose "cured", I don't mean offense.
I think no one would argue that homosexuality is not a choice.
Do you think science will ever find a "cure" for homosexuality?
If so would any homosexuals take it?
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Personally I think there maybe something genetic discovered, I think parents might have the child's genetics altered if it were found. But I don't think many adults would take a "cure" if one was made.
who cares tbh. Do you want to cure black race too?
lol what does the black race have to do with homosexuality.Sup wrote:
who cares tbh. Do you want to cure black race too?
my point is does homosexuality have to be cured? i say not. Its like saying lets cure black race. Theres nothing to be cured!jsnipy wrote:
lol what does the black race have to do with homosexuality.Sup wrote:
who cares tbh. Do you want to cure black race too?
aids?.Sup wrote:
my point is does homosexuality have to be cured? i say not. Its like saying lets cure black race. Theres nothing to be cured!jsnipy wrote:
lol what does the black race have to do with homosexuality.Sup wrote:
who cares tbh. Do you want to cure black race too?
yes aids has to be cured. But what does aids have to do with homo...jsnipy wrote:
aids?.Sup wrote:
my point is does homosexuality have to be cured? i say not. Its like saying lets cure black race. Theres nothing to be cured!jsnipy wrote:
lol what does the black race have to do with homosexuality