that would have been cool.Mekstizzle wrote:
The Iron Cross was (and still is) a military decoration first and foremost, say what you want. But the Nazi's weren't using it as a way of saying "gee look how faithful I am to Christianity"
oh come on.. people run around with those t-shirts with the soviet hammer and sickle.. but thats cool rightMekstizzle wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8161570.stm
lol
Surely invading Russia at all was a disastrous decision...even if the operation had been more successful, it would have just dragged the war out. Then again, if Germany had more time, and less strain on their resources, their technological innovations (turbojet aircraft, improved tanks, nuclear tech) could have given them the ability to discourage the Americans from joining the fight in Europe, and forced a different Cold War scenario?mcgid1 wrote:
It was more that they tried to do more than their fair share with out telling Germany, and then when they couldn't the asked the Germans for help. The result was that Germany diverted troops from preparations for the invasion of Russia to bail out Italy, ultimately causing the invasion of Russia to be delayed and the Germans to be stuck in the middle of no where for the Russian winter. Also there was that changing sides in the middle of the war thing too.
This is from my own knowledge, rather than extensive research, but Hitler's over-ambition and poor strategic decisions lost them the war, methinks.
Last edited by MrAnderson (2009-07-21 15:24:21)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_CrossMekstizzle wrote:
You guys are idiots, instead of posting trash are you going to actually try and say something worthwhile or shall I just report all your shit. I think I'll go with the latter, actually fuck that.Ioan92 wrote:
face fucking palmMekstizzle wrote:
The Iron Cross was (and still is) a military decoration first and foremost, say what you want. But the Nazi's weren't using it as a way of saying "gee look how faithful I am to Christianity"
I'll just tell you two to kindly fuck off and die.
I'm all for being completely wrong, but enough of your facepalm 4chan shit for fuck sake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_patt%C3%A9e
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltese_cross
"The Maltese cross or Amalfi cross is identified as the symbol of an order of Christian warriors known as the Knights Hospitaller or Knights of Malta."
"This cross is often associated with Crusaders or the Crusades. The heraldic cross pattée was sometimes used by a Crusader order, the Teutonic Knights (though their more usual emblem was a plain straight black cross on white),[citation needed] and later became associated with Prussia and the 1871-1918 German empire. It continued to be used by the German military after 1918. A version of the Iron Cross is used to date by the German army (Bundeswehr) as its symbol and nationality marking and found on vehicles, aircraft and publications.
The cross pattée is also sometimes associated with another Crusader order, the Knights Templar, though as with the Teutonic Knights, it was not used consistently. The Templars did adopt a red cross on their white robes in 1147,[1] but there was no specific style designated, and different Templars used different versions of cross. The pattée was by no means their official symbol. However, some modern Freemason organizations do use the pattée in an official way, and this use occasionally causes confusion as to which version was used by the medieval order of Knights Templar."
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That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a Christian symbol. It was/is a military decoration with no immediate ties to Christianity. To say that the Iron Cross that was used on Nazi uniforms was an explicit Christian symbol is just wrong.
Jesus, Joseph and doggy style Mary, can you read?!Mekstizzle wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a Christian symbol. It was/is a military decoration with no immediate ties to Christianity. To say that the Iron Cross that was used on Nazi uniforms was an explicit Christian symbol is just wrong.
It was a Cristian symbol and it was used way before Hitler even appeared.
Templar's, the Crusades, which religion were they fighting for? Christianity.
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The Swasitget is a Buddist symbol.
Dali Lama is a Nazi tbh.
Dali Lama is a Nazi tbh.
how dare you.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
The Swasitget is a Buddist symbol.
Dali Lama is a Nazi tbh.
Yes, no shit. That doesn't mean it was used as a Christian symbol when the Nazi's were using it or when it was being used in modern times. Come on. It lost its Christian relevance centuries ago.Ioan92 wrote:
Jesus, Joseph and doggy style Mary, can you read?!Mekstizzle wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a Christian symbol. It was/is a military decoration with no immediate ties to Christianity. To say that the Iron Cross that was used on Nazi uniforms was an explicit Christian symbol is just wrong.
It was a Cristian symbol and it was used way before Hitler even appeared.
Templar's, the Crusades, which religion were they fighting for? Christianity.
lol man, just lolMekstizzle wrote:
Yes, no shit. That doesn't mean it was used as a Christian symbol when the Nazi's were using it or when it was being used in modern times. Come on. It lost its Christian relevance centuries ago.Ioan92 wrote:
Jesus, Joseph and doggy style Mary, can you read?!Mekstizzle wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a Christian symbol. It was/is a military decoration with no immediate ties to Christianity. To say that the Iron Cross that was used on Nazi uniforms was an explicit Christian symbol is just wrong.
It was a Cristian symbol and it was used way before Hitler even appeared.
Templar's, the Crusades, which religion were they fighting for? Christianity.
It might not be intended, BUT IT STILL IS. The fact that Hitler was a stupid fuck doesn't change the meaning of that cross.
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It wasn't a Christian symbol, it was a Military decoration. It may have once been a Christian symbol and originated from Christianity, but eventually it evolved into a Military decoration with no ties to Christianity. I'm talking specifically about Germany and its use of the symbol, not the shape in general. So again, it wasn't a Christian symbol when the Nazi's were using it. It isn't a Christian symbol when the current Bundeswehr are using it either. It's a military one.
Like I said before, the last time it was used for specific Christian importance was probably hundreds of years ago. Things change. Symbols change. Meanings change. Traditions and cultures change. And I can assure you that during Nazi times and in todays world the Iron Cross is most definitely not a symbol for Christianity in Germany, it's a military one. It was awarded for bravery in combat. Not for devotion to Christianity and fighting for Christianity.
So when you say he fails because the Crosses are Christian symbols, you're wrong.
It wasn't a Christian symbol, it was a Military decoration. It may have once been a Christian symbol and originated from Christianity, but eventually it evolved into a Military decoration with no ties to Christianity. I'm talking specifically about Germany and its use of the symbol, not the shape in general. So again, it wasn't a Christian symbol when the Nazi's were using it. It isn't a Christian symbol when the current Bundeswehr are using it either. It's a military one.
Like I said before, the last time it was used for specific Christian importance was probably hundreds of years ago. Things change. Symbols change. Meanings change. Traditions and cultures change. And I can assure you that during Nazi times and in todays world the Iron Cross is most definitely not a symbol for Christianity in Germany, it's a military one. It was awarded for bravery in combat. Not for devotion to Christianity and fighting for Christianity.
So when you say he fails because the Crosses are Christian symbols, you're wrong.
The iron cross is a military decoration that is based off a christian symbol, specifically the cross worn by the Teutonic Knights during the 14th century. source (I know the original source is wikipedia, but the article itself contains too many sources to just do each individually)
Considering the award was originally designed and distributed in the 1800s, while Germany was considered a Holy Roman Empire, there are strong links to Christianity in the original intent and design. This is not to say, however, that when Hitler and Nazi Germany distributed the medals that he had any intent to link the award to Christianity. Rather, by the time the Nazis were in power, it was a traditional German medal that most likely could not have been easily replaced with another award that could have the same honor as the Iron Cross.
Considering the award was originally designed and distributed in the 1800s, while Germany was considered a Holy Roman Empire, there are strong links to Christianity in the original intent and design. This is not to say, however, that when Hitler and Nazi Germany distributed the medals that he had any intent to link the award to Christianity. Rather, by the time the Nazis were in power, it was a traditional German medal that most likely could not have been easily replaced with another award that could have the same honor as the Iron Cross.
I think the German uniforms are the sexiest uniforms ever made. Especially the black ones.
The German Uniforms look nicer than the American ones.
The swastika is a symbol of peace.Mekstizzle wrote:
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It wasn't a Christian symbol, it was a Military decoration. It may have once been a Christian symbol and originated from Christianity, but eventually it evolved into a Military decoration with no ties to Christianity. I'm talking specifically about Germany and its use of the symbol, not the shape in general. So again, it wasn't a Christian symbol when the Nazi's were using it. It isn't a Christian symbol when the current Bundeswehr are using it either. It's a military one.
Like I said before, the last time it was used for specific Christian importance was probably hundreds of years ago. Things change. Symbols change. Meanings change. Traditions and cultures change. And I can assure you that during Nazi times and in todays world the Iron Cross is most definitely not a symbol for Christianity in Germany, it's a military one. It was awarded for bravery in combat. Not for devotion to Christianity and fighting for Christianity.
So when you say he fails because the Crosses are Christian symbols, you're wrong.
They lost bcuz there were no nazi ice cream trucks at the font lines
oh def.Ryan wrote:
The German Uniforms look nicer than the American ones.
Can't go wrong with a Hugo Boss Nazi uniform...Ryan wrote:
The German Uniforms look nicer than the American ones.
Hitler was big on archaeology and he adopted alot of historic symbols to be NAZI symbols.Ioan92 wrote:
Jesus, Joseph and doggy style Mary, can you read?!Mekstizzle wrote:
That doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a Christian symbol. It was/is a military decoration with no immediate ties to Christianity. To say that the Iron Cross that was used on Nazi uniforms was an explicit Christian symbol is just wrong.
It was a Cristian symbol and it was used way before Hitler even appeared.
Templar's, the Crusades, which religion were they fighting for? Christianity.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
coke wrote:
Can't go wrong with a Hugo Boss Nazi uniform...Ryan wrote:
The German Uniforms look nicer than the American ones.
If that's the case how come the RAF kicked the Luftwaffe's arse? RAF has great big fuckoff bullseyes painted on their planes.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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looking good has nothing to do with being a good marksmanTy wrote:
If that's the case how come the RAF kicked the Luftwaffe's arse? RAF has great big fuckoff bullseyes painted on their planes.
besides, the bullseyes were like the racing stripe on cars: it makes it go faster (in this case, shoot straighter)
duh
OPEN POST TO ALL THOSE WANTING TO POST PICTURES OF SWASTIKASMekstizzle wrote:
This is precisely why they lost, good observation for you sir. Have a medal:aerodynamic wrote:
So I wanted to do a WW2 Marathon this week since I heart my knee playing tennis and so I have like 10 WW2 films: Saints and Soldiers, The Down Fall, The Pianist, Band of the Brothers etc. And something that really fucking bothered me were the German Uniforms.
You have guys with fuckign crosses everywhere on their uniform and including one up his own ass, then silver stripes etc, Who The Fuck designed them. Seriously, i didn't know if i was looking at a general or a private. One old guy came on teh screen and i thought shit this guy is a general and some young guy comes and it turns out he is a captain of somesort. For fuck sake, the famous Hitler scene in the Downfall there are like 20 german generals or whatever and everyone of them shit i can't be bothered to finish typing.
http://germanmilitariacollectibles.com/ … 753717.jpg
It is illegal for our German users to view swastikas on their computers. Every time they view your post they are inadvertently breaking German law.
Not fair to them now is it?
In fairness to them please refrain from posting pictures of swastikas.
Thank you
Last edited by Stubbee (2009-07-21 22:39:57)
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Not our fault your country makes pussy laws. Beside that it's not like they monitor your computer or your going to report yourselves.Stubbee wrote:
OPEN POST TO ALL THOSE WANTING TO POST PICTURES OF SWASTIKASMekstizzle wrote:
This is precisely why they lost, good observation for you sir. Have a medal:aerodynamic wrote:
So I wanted to do a WW2 Marathon this week since I heart my knee playing tennis and so I have like 10 WW2 films: Saints and Soldiers, The Down Fall, The Pianist, Band of the Brothers etc. And something that really fucking bothered me were the German Uniforms.
You have guys with fuckign crosses everywhere on their uniform and including one up his own ass, then silver stripes etc, Who The Fuck designed them. Seriously, i didn't know if i was looking at a general or a private. One old guy came on teh screen and i thought shit this guy is a general and some young guy comes and it turns out he is a captain of somesort. For fuck sake, the famous Hitler scene in the Downfall there are like 20 german generals or whatever and everyone of them shit i can't be bothered to finish typing.
http://germanmilitariacollectibles.com/ … 753717.jpg
It is illegal for our German users to view swastikas on their computers. Every time they view your post they are inadvertently breaking German law.
Not fair to them now is it?
In fairness to them please refrain from posting pictures of swastikas.
Thank you
Last edited by Macbeth (2009-07-21 22:42:16)
If that would be true, me and millions of other german internet users would be sitting in jail right now. you cant surf the internet without seeing pictures of swastikas. even the german wikipedia is full of them...Stubbee wrote:
OPEN POST TO ALL THOSE WANTING TO POST PICTURES OF SWASTIKASMekstizzle wrote:
This is precisely why they lost, good observation for you sir. Have a medal:aerodynamic wrote:
So I wanted to do a WW2 Marathon this week since I heart my knee playing tennis and so I have like 10 WW2 films: Saints and Soldiers, The Down Fall, The Pianist, Band of the Brothers etc. And something that really fucking bothered me were the German Uniforms.
You have guys with fuckign crosses everywhere on their uniform and including one up his own ass, then silver stripes etc, Who The Fuck designed them. Seriously, i didn't know if i was looking at a general or a private. One old guy came on teh screen and i thought shit this guy is a general and some young guy comes and it turns out he is a captain of somesort. For fuck sake, the famous Hitler scene in the Downfall there are like 20 german generals or whatever and everyone of them shit i can't be bothered to finish typing.
http://germanmilitariacollectibles.com/ … 753717.jpg
It is illegal for our German users to view swastikas on their computers. Every time they view your post they are inadvertently breaking German law.
Not fair to them now is it?
In fairness to them please refrain from posting pictures of swastikas.
Thank you