firewire is faster but usb is more common, firewire is mainly used for cameras and such.Sup wrote:
firewire transfers data faster
there are 7 PCs/laptops in our household and none has a Firewire port, built myself a state of the art gaming PC a year and a half ago and again no FirewireBertster7 wrote:
What are you talking about?Mekstizzle wrote:
You won't find it anywhere . That's the thing with Apple, they always make really proprietary shit. USB does what it says on the tin without any fuss.
You'll probably start seeing USB 3.0 on most new motherboards and products by the end of 2010 or early 2011, although I think it's starting to be slowly rolled out now
There are countless hard drives and suchlike available using firewire 800. My PC has firewire 800 too, so did my previous one.
3rd gen firewire isn't even made by Apple, who stopped development work on firewire ages and ages ago.
It's not as widely available and it's not as cheap. But that doesn't make it rare or expensive, it just shows how dirt cheap and common USB is. I ALWAYS use firewire 800 for external drives. It's so much better.
so yes, I would say they are rare, not because we don't have it but because I've been looking at laptops lately and didn't see Firewire listed in any specs.
If you are really after speed then eSata is the way to go, not FW nor USB.
What mobos do you have? I bet you do have firewire on at least one. It's just not called firewire on PC, it's IEEE 1394..Sup wrote:
there are 7 PCs/laptops in our household and none has a Firewire port, built myself a state of the art gaming PC a year and a half ago and again no FirewireBertster7 wrote:
What are you talking about?Mekstizzle wrote:
You won't find it anywhere . That's the thing with Apple, they always make really proprietary shit. USB does what it says on the tin without any fuss.
You'll probably start seeing USB 3.0 on most new motherboards and products by the end of 2010 or early 2011, although I think it's starting to be slowly rolled out now
There are countless hard drives and suchlike available using firewire 800. My PC has firewire 800 too, so did my previous one.
3rd gen firewire isn't even made by Apple, who stopped development work on firewire ages and ages ago.
It's not as widely available and it's not as cheap. But that doesn't make it rare or expensive, it just shows how dirt cheap and common USB is. I ALWAYS use firewire 800 for external drives. It's so much better.
so yes, I would say they are rare, not because we don't have it but because I've been looking at laptops lately and didn't see Firewire listed in any specs.
If you are really after speed then eSata is the way to go, not FW nor USB.
Every PC in my house (and that's a lot) has firewire (not all 800) - except my old servers. That's just on the mobo. I also have a few header cards with them on and my old Audigy has a firewire port on it.
Since my old A7N8X (which has 2x 1394 ports) every board I've owned has had firewire on.
I have the P5E Rampage Formula. It has no Firewire ports on the back must be a header thing then. I don't have the cables that came with it anymore so I can't be sure. But yeah sadly none of the laptops have it either, not that I would need it but you never know when you might have to use it.Bertster7 wrote:
What mobos do you have? I bet you do have firewire on at least one. It's just not called firewire on PC, it's IEEE 1394..Sup wrote:
there are 7 PCs/laptops in our household and none has a Firewire port, built myself a state of the art gaming PC a year and a half ago and again no FirewireBertster7 wrote:
What are you talking about?
There are countless hard drives and suchlike available using firewire 800. My PC has firewire 800 too, so did my previous one.
3rd gen firewire isn't even made by Apple, who stopped development work on firewire ages and ages ago.
It's not as widely available and it's not as cheap. But that doesn't make it rare or expensive, it just shows how dirt cheap and common USB is. I ALWAYS use firewire 800 for external drives. It's so much better.
so yes, I would say they are rare, not because we don't have it but because I've been looking at laptops lately and didn't see Firewire listed in any specs.
If you are really after speed then eSata is the way to go, not FW nor USB.
Every PC in my house (and that's a lot) has firewire (not all 800) - except my old servers. That's just on the mobo. I also have a few header cards with them on and my old Audigy has a firewire port on it.
Since my old A7N8X (which has 2x 1394 ports) every board I've owned has had firewire on.
P5E Rampage Formula specs page @ Asus.Sup wrote:
I have the P5E Rampage Formula. It has no Firewire ports on the back must be a header thing then. I don't have the cables that came with it anymore so I can't be sure. But yeah sadly none of the laptops have it either, not that I would need it but you never know when you might have to use it.Bertster7 wrote:
What mobos do you have? I bet you do have firewire on at least one. It's just not called firewire on PC, it's IEEE 1394..Sup wrote:
there are 7 PCs/laptops in our household and none has a Firewire port, built myself a state of the art gaming PC a year and a half ago and again no Firewire
so yes, I would say they are rare, not because we don't have it but because I've been looking at laptops lately and didn't see Firewire listed in any specs.
If you are really after speed then eSata is the way to go, not FW nor USB.
Every PC in my house (and that's a lot) has firewire (not all 800) - except my old servers. That's just on the mobo. I also have a few header cards with them on and my old Audigy has a firewire port on it.
Since my old A7N8X (which has 2x 1394 ports) every board I've owned has had firewire on.
IEEE 1394 2 x 1394a ports (1 port at back I/O, 1 port onboard)
^-- this. Try doing anything else while USB is transferring over huge amounts of data.Bertster7 wrote:
Firewire is less CPU hungry.
I have the P5E flashed to Rampage FormulaBertster7 wrote:
P5E Rampage Formula specs page @ Asus.Sup wrote:
I have the P5E Rampage Formula. It has no Firewire ports on the back must be a header thing then. I don't have the cables that came with it anymore so I can't be sure. But yeah sadly none of the laptops have it either, not that I would need it but you never know when you might have to use it.Bertster7 wrote:
What mobos do you have? I bet you do have firewire on at least one. It's just not called firewire on PC, it's IEEE 1394.
Every PC in my house (and that's a lot) has firewire (not all 800) - except my old servers. That's just on the mobo. I also have a few header cards with them on and my old Audigy has a firewire port on it.
Since my old A7N8X (which has 2x 1394 ports) every board I've owned has had firewire on.IEEE 1394 2 x 1394a ports (1 port at back I/O, 1 port onboard)
Uh, why would anyone need to benchmark it?.Sup wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be backwards compatible just like USB 2.0 is. The speeds of 3.0 are only theoretic now until it gets released and someone benches it. I wouldn't wait for USB 3.0 if I were you
So what?.Sup wrote:
I have the P5E flashed to Rampage FormulaBertster7 wrote:
P5E Rampage Formula specs page @ Asus.Sup wrote:
I have the P5E Rampage Formula. It has no Firewire ports on the back must be a header thing then. I don't have the cables that came with it anymore so I can't be sure. But yeah sadly none of the laptops have it either, not that I would need it but you never know when you might have to use it.IEEE 1394 2 x 1394a ports (1 port at back I/O, 1 port onboard)
http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3& … odelmenu=2IEEE 1394
VIA VT6308P controller supports 2 x IEEE 1394a ports (one at midboard; one at back panel)
Uh, same reason anyone benchmarks anything. To see how fast it is in practice.mikkel wrote:
Uh, why would anyone need to benchmark it?.Sup wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be backwards compatible just like USB 2.0 is. The speeds of 3.0 are only theoretic now until it gets released and someone benches it. I wouldn't wait for USB 3.0 if I were you
Meh, I have a external casing that is USB only and it works fine. If I need to transfer a serious amount of files I just take the hard drive out and plug it straight into the mobo.
Sure, my mobo has firewire, and my case has a front firewire plug, but the ONLY firewire device I have ever owned was my old iPod mini...
Sure, my mobo has firewire, and my case has a front firewire plug, but the ONLY firewire device I have ever owned was my old iPod mini...
Which is perfectly normal. But if you were planning on buying an external hard drive, I'd advise firewire over USB, it's worth the extra £2-3 that a firewire drive costs over one that is USB only.Sydney wrote:
Meh, I have a external casing that is USB only and it works fine. If I need to transfer a serious amount of files I just take the hard drive out and plug it straight into the mobo.
Sure, my mobo has firewire, and my case has a front firewire plug, but the ONLY firewire device I have ever owned was my old iPod mini...
USB isn't a best-effort delivery protocol over unreliable connections. There's no need to benchmark it for the speeds that .Sup is referring to.Bertster7 wrote:
Uh, same reason anyone benchmarks anything. To see how fast it is in practice.mikkel wrote:
Uh, why would anyone need to benchmark it?.Sup wrote:
I'm pretty sure it will be backwards compatible just like USB 2.0 is. The speeds of 3.0 are only theoretic now until it gets released and someone benches it. I wouldn't wait for USB 3.0 if I were you
I understood him to mean speeds in real world applications, not just theoretical bandwidth limits. To find the speeds in real world applications you need to benchmark.mikkel wrote:
USB isn't a best-effort delivery protocol over unreliable connections. There's no need to benchmark it for the speeds that .Sup is referring to.Bertster7 wrote:
Uh, same reason anyone benchmarks anything. To see how fast it is in practice.mikkel wrote:
Uh, why would anyone need to benchmark it?