Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048
false.

osx is instant-response. you cant 'outperform' that.

and a large part of ease-of-use comes from the trackpad, desktop and shortcut functions. after using this mac for 2 weeks as a complete novice to OSX i could browse around and 'use' the laptop just as quickly and easily as i could after 5+ years of windows. you've clearly never used a macbook properly for longer than a week.

and that abacus remark didnt even make sense, let alone was it anywhere near wit.
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Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7320|London

So when did you get a BMW?
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Shadow893
lel
+75|7270|England

Uzique wrote:

osx is instant-response. you cant 'outperform' that.
dunno what shitty pcs you've been using, but most pcs ive used are "instant-response" as well... whatever that is :rollseyes:
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7319|FUCK UBISOFT

Uzique wrote:

false.

osx is instant-response. you cant 'outperform' that.

and a large part of ease-of-use comes from the trackpad, desktop and shortcut functions. after using this mac for 2 weeks as a complete novice to OSX i could browse around and 'use' the laptop just as quickly and easily as i could after 5+ years of windows. you've clearly never used a macbook properly for longer than a week.

and that abacus remark didnt even make sense, let alone was it anywhere near wit.
I don't get it.

If I had 5 years of mac use, I'm sure I could use a pc quite easily in 2 weeks too.
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,633|6366|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:

false.

osx is instant-response. you cant 'outperform' that.
Start, Computer, unnoticeable delay by human eyes. I've got instant res ponce too, on my £300 desktop with 2.5Ghz CPU and Vista, which is filled to the brim with utter shite, god knows what I've done to the registry.

I don't give a shit about how fast you can open your porn folder. If I can run a game at more FPS than you, if I can get a higher SuperPi score than you, that's outperformed.

Uzique wrote:

and a large part of ease-of-use comes from the trackpad, desktop and shortcut functions. after using this mac for 2 weeks as a complete novice to OSX i could browse around and 'use' the laptop just as quickly and easily as i could after 5+ years of windows. you've clearly never used a macbook properly for longer than a week.
So, you've used a Windows computer for 5 years, making your speedy learning of OSX obsolete. Get two people that have never used a computer in their lives. Sit them in front of a windows computer and a mac computer. The difference in learning speed will be negligible.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048
i mean in terms of practical use- finding directories, opening things, navigating and browsing around. everything on OSX can be done with an easy-shortcut or a simple tap/drag on the mac trackpad. it's not about tech know-how, that wasn't the point i was trying to make. windows is just less efficient and you have to go in a more round-a-bout way to do things and get things.

and shadow ive always had a top-spec windows laptop and a top-spec, overclocked gaming pc. are you shitting me, windows is instant response? far from it, that's ideal thinking there. just comparing the start-up times of the default browser is a joke- 64-bit IE versus 64-bit Safari. absolutely no contest. windows media player versus itunes. no contest. it's hard to describe the benefits and better 'feel' and intuition of the OS through literal words. you just have to get it and play around with it for a week and see what it's really capable of. personally, i want ease-of-use and simplicity first and foremost in a mobile laptop. my sony vaio felt like it sucked shit in comparison to this macbook; the mac touchpad in particular is an absolute godsend for laptop on-the-move easiness.
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Dauntless
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Finray wrote:

I shop at Primark for clothes.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048
oh shut up dauntless, where do you get yours? Topshop? totally upmarket
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Dauntless
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+2,249|7320|London

nah george at asda init
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048
anyway it's a nice display of my point that people have brand and price loyalties with everything, not only laptops.

you wont buy anything as cheap as primark because you like buying more-expensive clothes because you're a douche
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,633|6366|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:

i mean in terms of practical use- finding directories, opening things, navigating and browsing around. everything on OSX can be done with an easy-shortcut or a simple tap/drag on the mac trackpad. it's not about tech know-how, that wasn't the point i was trying to make. windows is just less efficient and you have to go in a more round-a-bout way to do things and get things.

and shadow ive always had a top-spec windows laptop and a top-spec, overclocked gaming pc. are you shitting me, windows is instant response? far from it, that's ideal thinking there. just comparing the start-up times of the default browser is a joke- 64-bit IE versus 64-bit Safari. absolutely no contest. windows media player versus itunes. no contest. it's hard to describe the benefits and better 'feel' and intuition of the OS through literal words. you just have to get it and play around with it for a week and see what it's really capable of. personally, i want ease-of-use and simplicity first and foremost in a mobile laptop. my sony vaio felt like it sucked shit in comparison to this macbook; the mac touchpad in particular is an absolute godsend for laptop on-the-move easiness.
LOL YOU CAN'T COMPARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS >.< You moron. In experiments to define the variable, you change ONLY the variable. You can't say "IE loads slower on Windows than Safari does on Mac." Of course it loads slower. IE is SHIT. Safari loads JUST as quick on a Windows computer than it does on a Mac.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Okay, maybe not exactly the same, but no human eye can tell the fucking difference.
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Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7320|London

Most of the stuff I see in there I don't like, and the few things that have I bought from there have faded faded pretty quickly.

I don't see the point in getting involved in this whole "my mac is better than your pc" argument because it's ridiculous, it's the same with all of the D&ST threads, people are on two sides and say their point in as many different ways as possible, some get butt hurt and start flaming and then the thread dies. Nothing gets achieved and everyone leaves with the same view they had when they came in.

Uzique wrote:

you like buying more-expensive clothes because you're a douche
The fact that I'm a douche is purely coincidental.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048

Finray wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i mean in terms of practical use- finding directories, opening things, navigating and browsing around. everything on OSX can be done with an easy-shortcut or a simple tap/drag on the mac trackpad. it's not about tech know-how, that wasn't the point i was trying to make. windows is just less efficient and you have to go in a more round-a-bout way to do things and get things.

and shadow ive always had a top-spec windows laptop and a top-spec, overclocked gaming pc. are you shitting me, windows is instant response? far from it, that's ideal thinking there. just comparing the start-up times of the default browser is a joke- 64-bit IE versus 64-bit Safari. absolutely no contest. windows media player versus itunes. no contest. it's hard to describe the benefits and better 'feel' and intuition of the OS through literal words. you just have to get it and play around with it for a week and see what it's really capable of. personally, i want ease-of-use and simplicity first and foremost in a mobile laptop. my sony vaio felt like it sucked shit in comparison to this macbook; the mac touchpad in particular is an absolute godsend for laptop on-the-move easiness.
LOL YOU CAN'T COMPARE DIFFERENT PROGRAMS >.< You moron. In experiments to define the variable, you change ONLY the variable. You can't say "IE loads slower on Windows than Safari does on Mac." Of course it loads slower. IE is SHIT. Safari loads JUST as quick on a Windows computer than it does on a Mac.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Okay, maybe not exactly the same, but no human eye can tell the fucking difference.
stop trying to sound intelligent finray it's way beyond you. "you can't change the variable".

err. IE is the 'integrated' and built-in web browser of windows, your platform. safari is the integrated browser for OSX. OSX wins.
windows media player is the integrated and by-default media player for windows. itunes is the OSX equivalent. OSX wins.

im not changing any variables or picking and choosing anything preferentially. im listing the default programs that come bundled with each OS (because that's the fairest test, talking about Photoshop-Windows and Photoshop-Mac clients would truly be "changing the variables") and comparing their performance. surely that's a fair enough way to gauge the speed and efficiency of the operating system? if windows takes 3 seconds to boot up the browser that they coded and built-in from scratch, compared to OSX with a literally instant start-up, then it seems like a fair enough 1-0 result to me.

human eye cant tell the difference? is that a joke? safari loading on snow leopard (64-bit) is EASY TO TELL as faster than safari client on windows. i literally mean you click, it's there, you can type and browse from 0.1 milliseconds after starting the process. in windows, that sort of speed and readiness doesn't happen with ANY app. sata hard-drives and their responsiveness in windows and osx explorer-mode, too. incomparable. dont dare tell me for a minute in your cocky, completely uninformed way that you know what you're talking about. use a macbook for a week with the exact same stats as your windows laptop and you will see the undeniable difference in ease and speed. the sad thing is that most of you fucks never will give it that fair chance and test, because you're too busy leaping to 101 excuses and reasons to NOT try it. because of the same intangible and unfounded, whimsical bullshit that you claim apple bases their pricing strategy on; materialist nothingness.
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,633|6366|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:

stop trying to sound intelligent finray it's way beyond you. "you can't change the variable".

err. IE is the 'integrated' and built-in web browser of windows, your platform. safari is the integrated browser for OSX. OSX wins.
windows media player is the integrated and by-default media player for windows. itunes is the OSX equivalent. OSX wins.

im not changing any variables or picking and choosing anything preferentially. im listing the default programs that come bundled with each OS (because that's the fairest test, talking about Photoshop-Windows and Photoshop-Mac clients would truly be "changing the variables") and comparing their performance. surely that's a fair enough way to gauge the speed and efficiency of the operating system? if windows takes 3 seconds to boot up the browser that they coded and built-in from scratch, compared to OSX with a literally instant start-up, then it seems like a fair enough 1-0 result to me.

human eye cant tell the difference? is that a joke? safari loading on snow leopard (64-bit) is EASY TO TELL as faster than safari client on windows. i literally mean you click, it's there, you can type and browse from 0.1 milliseconds after starting the process. in windows, that sort of speed and readiness doesn't happen with ANY app. sata hard-drives and their responsiveness in windows and osx explorer-mode, too. incomparable. dont dare tell me for a minute in your cocky, completely uninformed way that you know what you're talking about. use a macbook for a week with the exact same stats as your windows laptop and you will see the undeniable difference in ease and speed. the sad thing is that most of you fucks never will give it that fair chance and test, because you're too busy leaping to 101 excuses and reasons to NOT try it. because of the same intangible and unfounded, whimsical bullshit that you claim apple bases their pricing strategy on; materialist nothingness.
First off, Variable is hardly intelligent hax0r speak.

We are disputing the hardware/price. Not the internet explorers that come with the operating system. When you said use a macbook for a week with the exact same stats as my windows laptop, of course Mac is going to be faster. But if I used a mac with the same price as my windows laptop then there'd be no difference.

Oh yeah and I just started IE, not even 64 bit, and it took less than half a second to start, not three.
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Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|7048
i beg to differ:

"if i used a mac with the same price as my windows laptop there would be no difference"

the difference between my top-spec vaio and this macbook was enough to warrant another £1,000 of gadget expenditure.

it's a different world. before i wouldnt even use my vaio much because it felt like i was doing everything the long-way around. now on my macbook - and i cannot champion the mac touchpad enough - everything is easy, quick and actually feels more streamlined than my desktop, which is complete with mouse/keyboard peripherals and far superior hardware. it's a different world, until you even spend one day exploring it, everything you say is bullshit fanboy conjecture.
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Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,633|6366|Catherine Black

Uzique wrote:

i beg to differ:

"if i used a mac with the same price as my windows laptop there would be no difference"

the difference between my top-spec vaio and this macbook was enough to warrant another £1,000 of gadget expenditure.

it's a different world. before i wouldnt even use my vaio much because it felt like i was doing everything the long-way around. now on my macbook - and i cannot champion the mac touchpad enough - everything is easy, quick and actually feels more streamlined than my desktop, which is complete with mouse/keyboard peripherals and far superior hardware. it's a different world, until you even spend one day exploring it, everything you say is bullshit fanboy conjecture.
That's what I'm talking about, half a second to open a browser and 30 quicker at finding a file is just not worth a grand.
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loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7156|Columbus, OH

Guardian_Ekim wrote:

Finray wrote:

Why the christ are you not on Vista with a GTX260.
Vista sucks!

Well, I just looked up Win 7 on Newegg. The prices are kinda high right now. I think I'll wait a bit or until the price goes down.
If you plann on purchasing Win7 Home and Pro, they were $49.99 and $99.99 last month when M.S. was taking pre-orders.
Dang hate to see you miss out if you were interested in Win7
Guardian_Ekim
I'm a god damn American Jedi
+51|7127|775

Yeah, there had been a $90 pre-order special on Newegg when I bought my GTX 260 and some parts for a computer I was selling, but it seems the prices have gone up significantly now. Therefore, I'll just have to wait until they have some sort of huge, monster sale or acquire it through other means...
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|7046

Finray wrote:

Uzique wrote:

i beg to differ:

"if i used a mac with the same price as my windows laptop there would be no difference"

the difference between my top-spec vaio and this macbook was enough to warrant another £1,000 of gadget expenditure.

it's a different world. before i wouldnt even use my vaio much because it felt like i was doing everything the long-way around. now on my macbook - and i cannot champion the mac touchpad enough - everything is easy, quick and actually feels more streamlined than my desktop, which is complete with mouse/keyboard peripherals and far superior hardware. it's a different world, until you even spend one day exploring it, everything you say is bullshit fanboy conjecture.
That's what I'm talking about, half a second to open a browser and 30 quicker at finding a file is just not worth a grand.
Like I said Finray's bro's bro, what you're really paying for is douche appeal.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|7031|The Twilight Zone

ghettoperson wrote:

.Sup wrote:

lol are you sure this is an ad made by Microshite or by an Windows fan. Looks fake tbh lol

menzo wrote:

vista >> xp in everything
what an ignorant thing to say
yes vista>xp even in number of bluescreens and bugs
You're so blinded by your hate for Vista. I haven't had a single BSOD since XP. There's nothing ignorant about what he says, you're just a sheep that's still stuck on what the media wrote about Vista 3 years ago. It's a very different beast these days.
First off I don't hate Vista. Second I had BSODs on Vista but not on XP. Media? What media, I installed Vista twice and was disappointed every time. Maybe your and my expectations from an OS are different, I find Vista to be a "prebeta" version of Windows 7 which is superior to Vista in terms of stability and reliability in a way that Vista was never to XP.
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TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|7017|Brisbane, Australia

Finray wrote:

That's what I'm talking about, half a second to open a browser and 30 quicker at finding a file is just not worth a grand.
So after all that fervent arguing, you are now changing to "yeh, its faster, but not worth the money". lol.

I am in no way a Mac fan, but this flip flopping you constantly do in any argument is hilarious.
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Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7319|FUCK UBISOFT

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Finray wrote:

That's what I'm talking about, half a second to open a browser and 30 quicker at finding a file is just not worth a grand.
So after all that fervent arguing, you are now changing to "yeh, its faster, but not worth the money". lol.

I am in no way a Mac fan, but this flip flopping you constantly do in any argument is hilarious.
and a lot of times he tries to end it by saying he agreed with you all along
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HaiBai
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
+304|6062|Bolingbrook, Illinois

Uzique wrote:

human eye cant tell the difference? is that a joke? safari loading on snow leopard (64-bit) is EASY TO TELL as faster than safari client on windows. i literally mean you click, it's there, you can type and browse from 0.1 milliseconds after starting the process. in windows, that sort of speed and readiness doesn't happen with ANY app. sata hard-drives and their responsiveness in windows and osx explorer-mode, too. incomparable. dont dare tell me for a minute in your cocky, completely uninformed way that you know what you're talking about. use a macbook for a week with the exact same stats as your windows laptop and you will see the undeniable difference in ease and speed. the sad thing is that most of you fucks never will give it that fair chance and test, because you're too busy leaping to 101 excuses and reasons to NOT try it. because of the same intangible and unfounded, whimsical bullshit that you claim apple bases their pricing strategy on; materialist nothingness.
Who fucking cares.  I'm on 32-bit XP with an average computer, and I open IE in .3 seconds.  Why the fuck does it matter that you can start typing 300 milliseconds before me.  Jesus christ, I'm jealous at your ability to save a second in opening a fucking window!
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,633|6366|Catherine Black

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

Finray wrote:

That's what I'm talking about, half a second to open a browser and 30 quicker at finding a file is just not worth a grand.
So after all that fervent arguing, you are now changing to "yeh, its faster, but not worth the money". lol.

I am in no way a Mac fan, but this flip flopping you constantly do in any argument is hilarious.
I've always said all along that a PC costing the same as a Mac will outperform it, because it will have better hardware. It is true, though, that macs are more efficient with their operating system and can do things faster on the same specs of hardware. But it costs so much more that it just isn't worth it.
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ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7227

.Sup wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

.Sup wrote:

lol are you sure this is an ad made by Microshite or by an Windows fan. Looks fake tbh lol

what an ignorant thing to say
yes vista>xp even in number of bluescreens and bugs
You're so blinded by your hate for Vista. I haven't had a single BSOD since XP. There's nothing ignorant about what he says, you're just a sheep that's still stuck on what the media wrote about Vista 3 years ago. It's a very different beast these days.
First off I don't hate Vista. Second I had BSODs on Vista but not on XP. Media? What media, I installed Vista twice and was disappointed every time. Maybe your and my expectations from an OS are different, I find Vista to be a "prebeta" version of Windows 7 which is superior to Vista in terms of stability and reliability in a way that Vista was never to XP.
You do hate Vista, you take every opportunity you can get to bash it. I don't know when you used Vista, however post-Service Pack 1 Vista is vastly improved. I can't really tell you how bad it was prior to that because I didn't install it until then. I had no major issues with it, save for Creative sound drivers, and if a program crashes it recovers from it much better than XP ever did. Vista in it's current form is essentially a slightly less responsive version of Windows 7, without a few of the features MS have added for 7.

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