Well, I think that speaks volumes about how worthwhile your degree was.Harmor wrote:
I went 3 years in Community College and then transferred to a 4-year University for 3 more years all while working 40/hours a week with ZERO government help to get my degree.
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If that is how you want to read my post, then yes, I guess I am exploiting the people that choose not to go to college. Take stock of the people you know that are in a job that doesn't require a higher education level and tell me they weren't capable of more, and at some point made the decision it wasn't worth it. Idealistic ideas are fine, but when they hit the real world most fall flat.DrunkFace wrote:
So you don't want to educate people so you can exploit them?LividBovine wrote:
Honestly, there are enough ways for people to go to college if they want to. Should we really be so willing to send everyone to college? I think not. If all the jobs available required a certain level of knowledge then you may have a case. As it stands now I still need a few more underachievers to make sure the cereal bags are sitting in the conveyor correctly.
The point was there are many jobs that do not require a higher education. As our jobs require more and more people with higher education, the number of people going to college will increase. If we try to front load the system with over educated garbage collectors, we are only increasng our debt as a country with no foreseeable return on investment.
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Over educated has been changing every century,don't you think? Wasn't high school only for a few decades ago?LividBovine wrote:
The point was there are many jobs that do not require a higher education. As our jobs require more and more people with higher education, the number of people going to college will increase. If we try to front load the system with over educated garbage collectors, we are only increasng our debt as a country with no foreseeable return on investment.
There's no such think as over educated imo, any society that doesn't support the higher education of their citizens is shooting itself on the foot. College shouldn't be only about making sure you get a higher payed job but if you get the most of your college education you should be able to have the tools to fight for the job you want.
Plus knowledge is what is all about, sure you can learn everything about the world without going to college but i doubt i would know who the hell was François Quesnay now.
Investing in college educations for the workforce is much more of a sensible long-term investment, as compared to paying Bubba Beerstain for his 1979 AMC Gremlin or giving Bartholemew Banker a few more $100 bills to light cigars with
hmm.. Invest in an engineering/medical/professional degree for a 20-something, so he can contribute $60k/year to the GDP - or keep him stuck in the service industry making $20k/year.
Nah, that'd actually show a return on investment. Government drones wouldn't have fuckall of a clue what to do with an actual profit on their investment... Would likely cause their tiny little brains to explode from the confusion.
hmm.. Invest in an engineering/medical/professional degree for a 20-something, so he can contribute $60k/year to the GDP - or keep him stuck in the service industry making $20k/year.
Nah, that'd actually show a return on investment. Government drones wouldn't have fuckall of a clue what to do with an actual profit on their investment... Would likely cause their tiny little brains to explode from the confusion.
So we should keep people dumb so they can do jobs that will be replaced by robots (who were developed by the educated) in a few years anyway?LividBovine wrote:
If that is how you want to read my post, then yes, I guess I am exploiting the people that choose not to go to college. Take stock of the people you know that are in a job that doesn't require a higher education level and tell me they weren't capable of more, and at some point made the decision it wasn't worth it. Idealistic ideas are fine, but when they hit the real world most fall flat.DrunkFace wrote:
So you don't want to educate people so you can exploit them?LividBovine wrote:
Honestly, there are enough ways for people to go to college if they want to. Should we really be so willing to send everyone to college? I think not. If all the jobs available required a certain level of knowledge then you may have a case. As it stands now I still need a few more underachievers to make sure the cereal bags are sitting in the conveyor correctly.
The point was there are many jobs that do not require a higher education. As our jobs require more and more people with higher education, the number of people going to college will increase. If we try to front load the system with over educated garbage collectors, we are only increasng our debt as a country with no foreseeable return on investment.
There are a host of jobs that will not be eliminated by robots in the near future. I believe the supply of educated individuals should match or exceed the need. My main issue is the paying for individuals who do not deserve to go to college. Like I said before, those that want to, can.Doctor Strangelove wrote:
So we should keep people dumb so they can do jobs that will be replaced by robots (who were developed by the educated) in a few years anyway?
You think that service industry job will just disappear? I think that those that want to achieve higher will. Broken record here, I know.rdx-fx[/quote wrote:
hmm.. Invest in an engineering/medical/professional degree for a 20-something, so he can contribute $60k/year to the GDP - or keep him stuck in the service industry making $20k/year.
Nah, that'd actually show a return on investment. Government drones wouldn't have fuckall of a clue what to do with an actual profit on their investment... Would likely cause their tiny little brains to explode from the confusion.
Sure it is always changing. The idea that the government should be footing the bill is the problem I have. I equate free higher education as a form of welfare. I really don't care what advantages some people have because they were born into the wrong family. If someone wants to change their station in life here in the US, they can. All it takes is hard work and determination.Ticia wrote:
Over educated has been changing every century,don't you think? Wasn't high school only for a few decades ago?
There's no such think as over educated imo, any society that doesn't support the higher education of their citizens is shooting itself on the foot. College shouldn't be only about making sure you get a higher payed job but if you get the most of your college education you should be able to have the tools to fight for the job you want.
Plus knowledge is what is all about, sure you can learn everything about the world without going to college but i doubt i would know who the hell was François Quesnay now.
RANT: Those that want to have something handed to them on a platter sicken me. I am tired of the disadvantaged take on things. This government of ours, at least the federal one, was never meant to coddle it's constituents. The more it does, the poorer we become as a nation, and the stupider our public becomes. It has to end.
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Degrees mean a lot in the working world sadly. Especially around American colleges. A Harvard business degree looks so much better than an Oklahoma State University degree.Dilbert_X wrote:
120k for a degree is absurd.
If there weren't the 'which school did you go to' snobbery they wouldn't be able to charge that.
Degrees don't even typically equip you to do a job, its a starting point only.
But I agree, degrees in America costs way way way too much.
But going to OSU would be fun, whereas going to Harvard wouldn't.Cybargs wrote:
Degrees mean a lot in the working world sadly. Especially around American colleges. A Harvard business degree looks so much better than an Oklahoma State University degree.Dilbert_X wrote:
120k for a degree is absurd.
If there weren't the 'which school did you go to' snobbery they wouldn't be able to charge that.
Degrees don't even typically equip you to do a job, its a starting point only.
But I agree, degrees in America costs way way way too much.
Doesn't your government foot the bill for school until you are 18? I'm sure you don't question that nowdays but the ones before us did.LividBovine wrote:
Sure it is always changing. The idea that the government should be footing the bill is the problem I have. I equate free higher education as a form of welfare. I really don't care what advantages some people have because they were born into the wrong family. If someone wants to change their station in life here in the US, they can. All it takes is hard work and determination.
RANT: Those that want to have something handed to them on a platter sicken me. I am tired of the disadvantaged take on things. This government of ours, at least the federal one, was never meant to coddle it's constituents. The more it does, the poorer we become as a nation, and the stupider our public becomes. It has to end.
And I'm not talking about the disadvantaged taking things from you, if you want to go to private college then you pay for it but if you want a higher education but can't afford to pay tuition then you should have the free option.
I've heard a lot of criticism when it comes to community colleges in the US, but all over Europe the best colleges are the state subsided ones. Only students which grades are not good enough got to a private one.
Makes sense, slash the cost out of the degree and we're done.rdx-fx wrote:
Invest in an engineering/medical/professional degree for a 20-something, so he can contribute $60k/year to the GDP - or keep him stuck in the service industry making $20k/year.
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Kids that get into Harvard are the type who party hard and can still get A's.ghettoperson wrote:
But going to OSU would be fun, whereas going to Harvard wouldn't.Cybargs wrote:
Degrees mean a lot in the working world sadly. Especially around American colleges. A Harvard business degree looks so much better than an Oklahoma State University degree.Dilbert_X wrote:
120k for a degree is absurd.
If there weren't the 'which school did you go to' snobbery they wouldn't be able to charge that.
Degrees don't even typically equip you to do a job, its a starting point only.
But I agree, degrees in America costs way way way too much.
Harvard kids still party hard yo.
A lot of them are also spoiled fags from New EnglandCybargs wrote:
Kids that get into Harvard are the type who party hard and can still get A's.ghettoperson wrote:
But going to OSU would be fun, whereas going to Harvard wouldn't.Cybargs wrote:
Degrees mean a lot in the working world sadly. Especially around American colleges. A Harvard business degree looks so much better than an Oklahoma State University degree.
But I agree, degrees in America costs way way way too much.
Harvard kids still party hard yo.
It also depends on where you're looking for work. A degree from OSU would be well-liked in Oklahoma and probably some of its neighbors, but wouldn't look as good as a Harvard degree in Boston.
And of course there's the matter of things like work experience. If I was an employer and got two applications for a marketing position, one from a guy who went to OSU and one who went to Harvard, and the OSU guy had four years of work experience in something somewhat related (e.g. working in a cell phone store as a sales rep) while the Harvard guy fucked around, and both had good GPAs and recommendations, I'd probably pick the OSU guy simply because he's had more experience actually doing the sort of stuff I need that employee to do. A classroom can't replace real life experience.
With the cost of employees going up I think we will start seeing a lot more automation. Imagine for a second your local fast-food restaurant basically a drive-thru vending machine.
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