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2006-02-18 15:57:35
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden
What have EA done?

Have they thrown their economic "problems" upon us?

They have made a patch that’s no good! Anyone can stand up with a PKM and aim and shoot. What I meant is that they lowered the entry level, anyone can no start playing and be “good” or at least not have any trouble in the beginning off the game like I had. You need no skill to stand up and aim with the mouse and then press the left mouse button!

EA came up with a not so good report not long ago, read here:

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsS … any%20News

The reason why they throwing this upon us are that the consol market is doing rather badly at the time. As far as I know Infineon cannot supply enough chips for the XBOX console and there is no PS3 yet!

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29706

This means that they have to make that up by selling PC-games and that’s the main reason I believe for this new patch. EA need to make it easy already from the beginning so new people will buy the game. The graphics engine that Dice provided is very good but sow is also the players that started to play in June. You need more than good graphics to sell; it also needs to be easy! If it’s too hard people won’t bother buying it, they have no patience to learn. They call better players cheaters and so on?

I tried the patch at a gaming place and Karkand is full of people running around with PKM and Snipers littering the whole place with Calys!

Why did I spend 800 hours trying to improve my game play when I could have just sit out the time and waited for this new patch and got a PKM like the rest, what was all that hard work worth? I got “noob-tubed” so many times on PTG in July and August that you won’t believe it and I never complained once! I practiced over and over and now it’s no problem! People you cannot complain if you are Staff or Gunnery Sergeant and have played like 100 hours it may seem unrealistic to you when someone press Z and spacebar and then 3, D and Z, read they just revived someone and then they jump up roll and shoot up in the head. It took me 400 hours to get to that!

Never once did I complain about being noob-tubed or getting C4: ed!

Guess people, especially all the gifted Staff Sergeants that never used the C4 because they did not think it was fair, not that they lacked the skill to toss it like Volx will be up in arms when they read this and flame me like hell.

P.S the number off new bugs that came with this patch is hilarious!

Take care!
2006-02-18 16:04:27
tF-voodoochild
Pew Pew!
+216|7313|San Francisco

Sluggit wrote:

You need more than good graphics to sell; it also needs to be easy! If it’s too hard people won’t bother buying it, they have no patience to learn. They call better players cheaters and so on?
How exactly are people to know that this game is now 'so easy' before they purchase it? Did you have an understanding of the difficulty of online play before you bought BF2?

Sluggit wrote:

Why did I spend 800 hours trying to improve my game play when I could have just sit out the time and waited for this new patch and got a PKM like the rest, what was all that hard work worth? I got “noob-tubed” so many times on PTG in July and August that you won’t believe it and I never complained once! I practiced over and over and now it’s no problem!
Why not go and spend some more time to improve your game some more instead of coming on here to whine? Tactics will still prove victorious over any weapon in the game, no matter how imbalanced it may be. You simply have to practice and adjust your gameplay to better suit the new conditions.
2006-02-18 16:05:35
uk.solidsnake
Member
+3|7173|England, UK
I'm not really sure these alleged problems EA are having are a direct cause of the poor patch, but I do agree with the majority of what you are saying.

The patch addressed many things that absolutely needed to be addressed, hopping, dolphin diving, C4 tossing, etc. However, when a crap ton of extra issues are dragged along for the ride, it causes severe overall problems. The patch was over the top, a few minor adjustments were required yet a complete overhaul of many things was what actually happened, which has ironically caused more problems than it fixed.

I was thinking to myself today, how many bugs have been reported and how many have actually been fixed in the patches to this date. I can't name any, honestly. I can name new bugs that have popped up, but I don't know of any that were actually fixed. Another sign of grade A incompetance by EA.

As far the Karkand sniper/support problem, this is a direct cause of the fact that Karkand is a head on map. Each side basically clashes with each other head on, which is very beneficial to support and sniper classes since they have the most stationary firepower. I suggest doing what I do, and play maps like Mastuur and Sharqi more. The flags are widespread and you can generally avoid these classes tactically and take them out before they have a chance to whale on you.

Last edited by uk.solidsnake (2006-02-18 16:08:29)

2006-02-18 16:12:11
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7240|Noizyland

Havn't played the new patch. If it's an easier game, than shouldn't it be easier for the people who, like youself obviously, are extreamly good at the game? Newbies are still newbies.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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2006-02-18 16:22:01
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7193|Madrid, Spain
EA is listenning and releasing patches to make the game perfect, I am glad 1.2 was released, changes were necessary... I am a fully satisfied user except for a couple of issues like "where have my screenshots gone?"...
I'm getting sick of all those whiners, n00bs complaining before the patch, after the patch....
I believe soon all issues will be solved, just like in all EA games... you have to understand this is a massive multiplayer game, with thousand of n00bs complaining because they suck. Never before in my years of gaming I have come across such a legion of whiners about a game. and the main reason is because the game is ranked and people get pissed, they NEED to complain about any aspect of the game. I have to agree with certain things that have been done wrong but I guess everything is OK (or at least better than before) now. don't worry be happy, go knife somebody dude!!!
2006-02-18 17:42:45
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden

tF-voodoochild wrote:

Why not go and spend some more time to improve your game some more instead of coming on here to whine? Tactics will still prove victorious over any weapon in the game, no matter how imbalanced it may be. You simply have to practice and adjust your gameplay to better suit the new conditions.
Nope, that’s why I had to learn the “hard” way for the first three months!

I’m not good but I practiced over and over again and looked and learned. The world record in keyboard typing is something like 15,2 “types” (hit) a second on the keyboard in average over half an hour and to be a good player I believe you need to be able to type 5 times every second sometimes? During this you cannot look at the keyboard it has to come instantly during game play and while you keep half an eye on the Mini Map and the in game text!

It’s very clear to me that the bf2 community is divided in to two “camps” here!? Players with more experience and time on the game and people that joined in later! Those of us that been playing since June have no problem with the C4 tossing and “noob-tubeing” as we can “type” our way out of the situation while players with less time on the game complained about this and somehow got it “there way”.

The “complain” here is not about tactics it’s about the in game feathers that’s been changed.

Well it’s supposed to be a game fore everyone but I hope I made my self clear on this!
IT TAKES NO SKILL TO STAND UP WITH THE PKM AND SHOOT! 

All the best!
2006-02-18 19:20:31
BF2Craglyeye
Member
+72|7138|Australia

Stratocaster wrote:

fully satisfied user except for a couple of issues like "where have my screenshots gone?"...
I too would like to know this.


I have no broblems with the patch. The PKM one-shot kill whilist in the middle of a dive is disturbing but... Oh well, It does seem to be they rushed it, as it has more bugs than before.

But its not EA its DICE that designed the game.

It wouldnt ,however, surprise me if EA put serious amounts of pressure on DICE to get this thing out ASAP. Resulting in what could be deemed an unfinished product.
2006-02-18 20:40:50
Rakasan
Member
+7|7302|California, USA
It's a conspiracy, LOL.

"Electronic Arts posted third-quarter earnings that fell more than 30%, falling short of analyst estimates, and offered an even lighter forecast for its fourth quarter..." (nasdaq link)

That sounds somewhat reasonable.  Maybe EA wants to keep and attract new players.  All the hard to achieve higher ranks, C4 hopping, tubing, and lack of effectiveness for some weapons (pre 1.2) probably discouraged ppl from purchasing upcoming booster and expansion packs.  What better way to keep new or inexperienced players happy by giving in to their "demands", since they are probably gonna be the majority who purchases all of the packs that EA feeds them.

Last edited by Rakasan (2006-02-18 20:44:06)

2006-02-18 20:52:31
HeavyMetalDave
Metal Godz
+107|7123|California
THis isnt their best seller, Iwould think that they would worry more about whos playing MADDEN NASCAR NHL NBA PGA

they worry more about sports not battlefield

wait they dont worry at all, LOL
2006-02-18 22:48:41
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden
Forgot this Topic:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=14691

It will be pretty hard to “adjust your game play to better suit the new conditions” like this don’t you think tF-voodoochild? They will be able to "pick" you off at much greater distance now due to this patch, tactics or not.

Is this really serious, look the Deviation on the MG36! No I say it’s not because it’s nearly as good as the new L96A1sniper rifle! Now you have to excuse me tF-voodoochild but I don’t know if the best word for this patch in English is hilarious, ridicules, funny or simply sad?

Last but not least thanks fore all the work you and your team mates put in too making the bf2s site so great! Although we may not agree on everything here, keep up the good work!

Thanks!
2006-02-18 23:13:26
dracul
Member
+2|7273
The only reference to electonics arts in that entire article is a throw-away line about ea having one bad quarter.
If you honestly think EA needs to have a poor quarter to turn out crappy software, you are too trusting by far.
:-(

Bugs aside,

Before the patch, snipers were a non-factor. So were support-classes most of the time. The only situation they excelled was charging in alleys or spawn-raping.

There are 7 classes.
Sniper/Support are now just carrying their share of the load. Before this patch most pleople played either spec-ops or medic pretty much exclusively. Spec-ops if they needed to take out a tank, or medic if they wanted to rackup the team points.

Support still gets owned by assault rifles/carbines at long range. This, along with their inefficacy against vehicles balances their lethality in midfield.
2006-02-19 10:45:18
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden
Guess I did not made my self clear but Rakasan said it for me!

Rakasan wrote:

Maybe EA wants to keep and attract new players.  All the hard to achieve higher ranks, C4 hopping, tubing, and lack of effectiveness for some weapons (pre 1.2) probably discouraged ppl from purchasing upcoming booster and expansion packs.  What better way to keep new or inexperienced players happy by giving in to their "demands", since they are probably gonna be the majority who purchases all of the packs that EA feeds them.
The Snipers were NOT a non-factor before you just had to be good! Played with Sepander on Karkand one round and he started with 11-1 Sniper kills and then switched kit!

As Support you could score 80+ points if you killed like 30 and then added 20-25 ammo bags to that, you just hade to be good and know what to do and when.

Check Rakasan: s Who Got The BF2 Skillz?

EA owns 67% of Dice and set the Agenda for Bf2 and not Dice!

I can “buy” the end of bunny-hopping and noob-tubeing but why decrease the power of the GP-30? Can also “buy” the end of C4 chunking but this, this is not serious!

PKM: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone3/1.2/0.8?? Deviation Added per Shot0.1??? (2.5)

MG36: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone3/1.2?/0.8?? Deviation Added per Shot0.1??? (10)

L96A1: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone2/1.5/0.8!!! Deviation Added per Shot5!!! (3.5)

Read: shoot small bursts and you cannot miss/will not miss!

They have turned the PKM and MG36 into a fully automatic Sniper Rifles!!??

See Yaa!
2006-02-19 11:24:42
PheloniusRM
Member
+8|7164|Mission Viejo, CA
I think all the post 1.2 complainers are just mad that your coveted hud hacks have been thwarted. Maybe its time to learn how to play without your crutch? You do realize that shooters have been in existance for about 10 years right? Most of us have been playing them well before bf2. Remember bf1942, bfv, dc, poe? Just because someone hasn't been playing bf2 since july doesnt mean they have been playing shooters any more or less time than you. I personally didnt want to leave poe.

Sluggit; if you are so annoyed by pkm's and claymores why dont you try a map other than karkand? I know its been a while and you are so specialized at one thing on one map, but maybe its time to expand a little and stop worrying so much about your beloved E-penis.
2006-02-19 11:46:15
airborne916
Member
+24|7131
ahh this patch has raised so much hell.

Last edited by airborne916 (2006-02-19 11:51:22)

2006-02-20 07:31:27
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden

PheloniusRM wrote:

I think all the post 1.2 complainers are just mad that your coveted hud hacks have been thwarted. Maybe its time to learn how to play without your crutch? You do realize that shooters have been in existance for about 10 years right? Most of us have been playing them well before bf2. Remember bf1942, bfv, dc, poe? Just because someone hasn't been playing bf2 since july doesnt mean they have been playing shooters any more or less time than you. I personally didnt want to leave poe.

Sluggit; if you are so annoyed by pkm's and claymores why dont you try a map other than karkand? I know its been a while and you are so specialized at one thing on one map, but maybe its time to expand a little and stop worrying so much about your beloved E-penis.
Man I don’t know what I said to make you upset (sorry if I did)? I don’t think or hope that I have an E-pe…

Ok there is no realism in tossing C4, no realism in bunny hopping no realism in jumping and shooting (noob-toobing) so I can buy the end of that but it was not like C4 tossing Noob-toobing, Bunny hopping Dolphin-diving they were hacks or exploits. If all those things were possible in the game then why is it people could not learn them, it simply takes time.

Now instead of that nade-spamming is more common than ever, the support kit is now the most overused kit with the PKM and MG36 firing from long distance with the accuracy of sniper rifles, a new breed of players called claymore-wh.... have been created, if I prone I'm unable to get up in time and there is absolutely no realism in turning the PKM and MG36 into fully automatic sniper rifles!
2006-04-12 03:18:21
beerface702
Member
+65|7158|las vegas
all valid points

bottom line is EA does not beta test their games nearly enough/ or open a public beta program sometime before it goes gold

this is the problem. now it is up to exconsole gamers/CS players to send EA reports. this will not work.


serious in house/ and out of house beta testing needs to be done


this is why i will not play 2142. unless  i hear it isnt all that bad as far as bugs go., wont hold my breath on that though.
2006-04-12 04:02:31
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,079|7237|PNW

EA releases patches like an anxious mechanic overcranking the idle on an '86 Dodge. They either tweak something all the way up to the overpowered spectrum of ridiculous, or all the way down to the useless zone.

Example (using 1.2): noobs complained about aircraft. EA tweaks AA to fly in remarkable zigzag angles and patterns, while making complete 180 degree turns to smack into a pursuing aircraft, regardless of angle-of-launch vs aircraft trajectory. Missiles spiral off trees and orbit oil towers. Evidence that the patch was pushed out the door before thoroughly tested, just to please newbies. Now with 1.22, I still see AA executing amazing manuevers through the air to get to my aircraft. It seems as if I get hit less by it when I just fly straight, rather than turn.

Nice realism, there.
2006-04-12 04:02:50
Nikola Bathory
Karkand T-90 0wnage
+163|7252|Bulgaria
the only problem here is that every single patch simply creates some new issues, that need a new PATCH, then the next patch does the same etc...
anyway, I hope they release 1.3 soon, BUT don't rush and try at least this time to make a really decent patch

OMG, I repeated the word PATCH soo many times...
>>>BF3 Central<<<
2006-04-12 04:23:52
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7276|Nårvei

Sluggit wrote:

PKM: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone3/1.2/0.8?? Deviation Added per Shot0.1??? (2.5)

MG36: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone3/1.2?/0.8?? Deviation Added per Shot0.1??? (10)

L96A1: Deviation Standing / Crouching / Prone2/1.5/0.8!!! Deviation Added per Shot5!!! (3.5)

Read: shoot small bursts and you cannot miss/will not miss!

They have turned the PKM and MG36 into a fully automatic Sniper Rifles!!??

See Yaa!
Not sure how much u know about real guns but Machine Guns like PKM, MG36 and the one i have used myself in the Norwegian army MG3 has very good accuracy in single shot modus. With the same amount of practice u could as easily shoot a perfect 10 at 200 meters with a MG3 as u could with the Sniper-version of the G3 and the M95.

The big difference here is the size of the target and when the distance gets to great for the sight on the machineguns.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2006-04-12 04:25:50
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,079|7237|PNW

The MG36 is a bit more effective in close quarters, but has a higher bullet drop than the PKM. You can see those tracers dropping like spitwads.
2006-04-12 07:48:22
Sluggit
Member
+3|7184|Sweden
Never expected “this old” thread to get going again, thanks guys!

Varegg you are right in what you’re saying but this is a game and it’s a question of balancing the different kits in the game to one and other.

The answer to most of this was given by a leading guy in Dice that now is leading the development of 2142. He was holding a speech at a symposium some time ago and stated that it was not their intension to make the game realistic but rather easy.

Anyone should be able to play bf2 from the start? The game should not be hard to learn, anyone/everyone should be able to play as a beginner and not have to learn all kinds of difficult skills and have no chance against more experienced players.

Dice is listed on the Swedish stock exchange and EA controls 67% of their stocks. They are in it for the money and want/needs to sell as many games as possible!

That’s why they changed it so it (patch 1.2 and on) should not be too hard for beginners to learn to play straight away!

Do they care about the community? Well they say yes but I doubt it?

The people that started Dice back in the 80; ties are now wearing suits and go to meetings most of the time and don’t have time to keep up the community very much. They get their information from second hand sources on the meetings on what the community thinks and Patrik Söderlund is now middle-age like my self and is a typical CEO.

When EA made a bid fore the remaining stocks in Dice last year he said yes straight away. That caused uproar among Swedish share holders some of them gamers like my self, cause we think he sold out and the bid was too cheap as well!

They want to sell games no matter what they say. They don’t make the patches in Sweden anymore, Dice Canada makes them and that’s why there “buggy”! It’s not the same guys that initially developed the game that keeps it going now. Dice Sweden is totally focused on 2142 and to get that out before Christmas!

Guess it’s time to start playing again!

Last edited by Sluggit (2006-04-12 07:49:31)

2006-04-13 00:37:11
Xenris
Member
+1|7056|Michigan
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2006-04-13 00:56:35
IronFerret
Member
+48|7123|Mexico City.
this game isnt easy..  ask anybody.
GTA series its easy.

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