King_County_Downy
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CapnNismo wrote:

It doesn't matter how much you say "safe web browsing" will work. Dude, I never did any kind of shady browsing on either of my computers, but one of them still got a rootkit and passed it to the other. Explain that one to me, bro. There are always security flaws being exploited in Windows and other programs you use, so it's not really all about safe web browsing. You can still catch shit and get infected.
Worms.

Some people will just never get it. If you're connected to the internet, you're at risk.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6861|132 and Bush

farmerfez wrote:

nod32=sex

I'm Jamesey wrote:

get malwarebytes as well, run occasional scans with it, it's good at picking up stuff that anti virus programs miss.
..and get your first Tues updates.

Start>run>mrt from time to time too
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King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6857|Seattle

mtb0minime wrote:

This is way off-topic and I'll delete my post shortly, but who was the mod who renamed the thread and corrected the spelling/grammar? I want to karma you. That shit was getting annoying.
That would be me (no need to karma me btw)

I was at first like "OMG. GET TO THE A-V CHOPPA!"
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Benzin
Member
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King_County_Downy wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

It doesn't matter how much you say "safe web browsing" will work. Dude, I never did any kind of shady browsing on either of my computers, but one of them still got a rootkit and passed it to the other. Explain that one to me, bro. There are always security flaws being exploited in Windows and other programs you use, so it's not really all about safe web browsing. You can still catch shit and get infected.
Worms.

Some people will just never get it. If you're connected to the internet, you're at risk.
tis true
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6861|132 and Bush

One more thing on updates/security.

The first thing those evil people do is see what MS fixes on the first Tuesday of the month. Then they know the holes (if they didn't already). Updates are a good thing, but they also announce vulnerabilities. So if you're not updating you're an easy target.
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steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6641|the land of bourbon
/enemy wall of text spotted

firewalls effectively stop 99.9% of all internet-borne worms and threats (including your ISPs firewalls at their own router level.)  most network based threats use exploits in well known protocols to spread, and most firewalls block these protocols (as well as actively protecting against unusual behavior in the event a port is successfully compromised.)  it is somewhat riskier on a corporate network since most client computers are a bit more 'open' on the network, but even these threats can be successfully mitigated if you have a modicum of knowledge of network security and access controls. 

this leaves user-error as the number one threat to your network and computer.  the ones who click on pop-ups and install spyware, visit web sites that exploit code vulnerabilities and the like...  these people can be contained as long as they don't have admin level access to their systems, but most places still allow at least the primary user of the computer local admin rights, hence the spyware and virus infections on some people's machines.  even these isolated incidents can be contained fairly easily, with the majority of inconvenience to the user who infected themselves in the first place.

being scared of the internet is not necessary... skepticism is fine, but paranoia is often unfounded.  if you understand how viruses and security exploits work then you know that AV software is only acting as a safety net for mistakes you shouldn't be making.  now there is still that .01% chance of getting a root-kit, or random bad cookie, but if it can slip through multiple firewalls as well as your safe-surfing habits, then no two-bit, piece-of-shit, anti-virus program is going to do anything to stop it.  i would rather use my resources for gaming instead of allowing some 'real-time' scanning junk to clog up my shit.  ya know, AV programs are, by their own definition, a virus in the way they operate.  to "protect" your computer they have to hook processes and intercept calls to the cpu.  viruses do the same shit, although with different goals.  i'd rather not have any of it on my system, viruses or antis. 

funny story, a friend of mine who also works on a school network was telling me the last network virus threat they had was spreading through the open port symantec was using for liveupdate.  if a person didn't have AV on their computer, they didn't get the virus.  ironic?
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Benzin
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My Symantec has caught trojans and stuff that managed to snake their way into the system and delete and remove them instantly. I really don't think that if you buy/install a GOOD anti-virus program that isn't a resource hog, you'll ever notice the performance difference. I'd also like to see where you're getting your percentages. Sounds like you're pulling numbers out of your ass rather than reliable sources.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6861|132 and Bush

NOD32 has a 100% record.
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steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6641|the land of bourbon

CapnNismo wrote:

My Symantec has caught trojans and stuff that managed to snake their way into the system and delete and remove them instantly. I really don't think that if you buy/install a GOOD anti-virus program that isn't a resource hog, you'll ever notice the performance difference. I'd also like to see where you're getting your percentages. Sounds like you're pulling numbers out of your ass rather than reliable sources.
install process explorer, and if you have symantec installed, watch what happens every time you open a file.  two separate hooks are made to the explorer process, scanning for "unwanted" behavior.  and this is every time you open anything.  not worth it imo.  debating about it is pointless, because there will always be people who need anti-virus software, and people who don't because they know what they are doing.  if you are getting backdoor trojans and viruses, you are not surfing safe.  i have been virus free for over 5 years, and i still see just as much porn as the next person.... so why don't i get any viruses?  safe surfing.  and how many times have i sat down at a user's virus-infected system, and laughed because they actually have an AV program?  it has nothing to do with the AV software or lack thereof, it's entirely up to the abilities of the user.
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tazz.
oz.
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eset.
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Benzin
Member
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steelie34 wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

My Symantec has caught trojans and stuff that managed to snake their way into the system and delete and remove them instantly. I really don't think that if you buy/install a GOOD anti-virus program that isn't a resource hog, you'll ever notice the performance difference. I'd also like to see where you're getting your percentages. Sounds like you're pulling numbers out of your ass rather than reliable sources.
install process explorer, and if you have symantec installed, watch what happens every time you open a file.  two separate hooks are made to the explorer process, scanning for "unwanted" behavior.  and this is every time you open anything.  not worth it imo.  debating about it is pointless, because there will always be people who need anti-virus software, and people who don't because they know what they are doing.  if you are getting backdoor trojans and viruses, you are not surfing safe.  i have been virus free for over 5 years, and i still see just as much porn as the next person.... so why don't i get any viruses?  safe surfing.  and how many times have i sat down at a user's virus-infected system, and laughed because they actually have an AV program?  it has nothing to do with the AV software or lack thereof, it's entirely up to the abilities of the user.
whatever you say Mr Security Expert...
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6857|Seattle

steelie34 wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

My Symantec has caught trojans and stuff that managed to snake their way into the system and delete and remove them instantly. I really don't think that if you buy/install a GOOD anti-virus program that isn't a resource hog, you'll ever notice the performance difference. I'd also like to see where you're getting your percentages. Sounds like you're pulling numbers out of your ass rather than reliable sources.
install process explorer, and if you have symantec installed, watch what happens every time you open a file.  two separate hooks are made to the explorer process, scanning for "unwanted" behavior.  and this is every time you open anything.  not worth it imo.  debating about it is pointless, because there will always be people who need anti-virus software, and people who don't because they know what they are doing.  if you are getting backdoor trojans and viruses, you are not surfing safe.  i have been virus free for over 5 years, and i still see just as much porn as the next person.... so why don't i get any viruses?  safe surfing.  and how many times have i sat down at a user's virus-infected system, and laughed because they actually have an AV program?  it has nothing to do with the AV software or lack thereof, it's entirely up to the abilities of the user.
I have your IP. Should I test your security (or lack thereof)? lol j/k
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steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6641|the land of bourbon
lol fire away... keep in mind your seeing my NAT ip, so if you get into the edge firewall, you are a god among men

just a follow up, i'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone.  don't read too much into my posts.  i do believe the majority of users do get a benefit from anti-virus software, and its always better to be safe than sorry.  my beef is with the industry as a whole... i think some AV packages are better than others, but some are often misleading in what they do, and aren't very easy to understand the everyday user.  i don't hate the players (users), i hate the game (AV companies).  i've invested most of my life into understanding the workings of computers and networking, and i know alot of people don't know/care about how to spot malicious behavior.  its only with great understanding of the risk that i avoid using AV or spyware software...  i just get fired up when people get viruses even though they have AV software installed.  it makes me wonder if the companies are actually writing the viruses to keep themselves employed

Last edited by steelie34 (2009-11-11 08:23:55)

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King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|6857|Seattle

I'm at work and don't really feel like getting fired for hacking. haha Maybe some other time
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Benzin
Member
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steelie34 wrote:

lol fire away... keep in mind your seeing my NAT ip, so if you get into the edge firewall, you are a god among men

just a follow up, i'm not trying to be a jerk to anyone.  don't read too much into my posts.  i do believe the majority of users do get a benefit from anti-virus software, and its always better to be safe than sorry.  my beef is with the industry as a whole... i think some AV packages are better than others, but some are often misleading in what they do, and aren't very easy to understand the everyday user.  i don't hate the players (users), i hate the game (AV companies).  i've invested most of my life into understanding the workings of computers and networking, and i know alot of people don't know/care about how to spot malicious behavior.  its only with great understanding of the risk that i avoid using AV or spyware software...  i just get fired up when people get viruses even though they have AV software installed.  it makes me wonder if the companies are actually writing the viruses to keep themselves employed
One reason that I much prefer MBAM over others. It's not a big player.

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