BF2S Forums Walmart: The Clinic (private industry reacts to high healthcare costs)

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

You want me to paypal that $20 you spent on some scummer in the hospital?

If you're stupid enough to then yeah, I would. Thanks.

Of course you're not going to...why? Because the $20 is meaningful, and you're not going to throw it away.

If jerking off to all the good you're doing for other people is worth the money you're paying for it then great, but don't pretend you aren't getting anything in return.

No I wouldn't paypal you because you clearly are heartless bastard with no care for the human condition.  I don't go prancing around with a ribbon and a hat telling everyone how great it is that I pay into the social contract.  I don't care - life is good enough for me as it is to really care about whether or not people are cheating the system.  I'm more concerned with how the system is being exploited than the people that are exploiting the sytem.   

Fix the system or find a better alternative to minimize waste and corruption.

Would you send me $100 if I said I had strep? With pics?

I didn't say you bragged about it...people who give anonymously to charity are still getting something out of it.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

If you're stupid enough to then yeah, I would. Thanks.

Of course you're not going to...why? Because the $20 is meaningful, and you're not going to throw it away.

If jerking off to all the good you're doing for other people is worth the money you're paying for it then great, but don't pretend you aren't getting anything in return.

No I wouldn't paypal you because you clearly are heartless bastard with no care for the human condition.  I don't go prancing around with a ribbon and a hat telling everyone how great it is that I pay into the social contract.  I don't care - life is good enough for me as it is to really care about whether or not people are cheating the system.  I'm more concerned with how the system is being exploited than the people that are exploiting the sytem.   

Fix the system or find a better alternative to minimize waste and corruption.

Would you send me $100 if I said I had strep? With pics?

I didn't say you bragged about it...people who give anonymously to charity are still getting something out of it.

Of course they are and good for them.  I personally don't think that people by nature would willingly give up enough money to support a collective health care system.  You bitch about having to pay into a government system so what will change for you to willingly pay into an alternative?

LividBovine wrote:

TEdit:  Oh yeah, @ the OP.  I liked it as soon as I saw it.  Maybe I will drop my insurance and pay out of pocket with my own Health savings account.

I was unaware that there are such things as private Health Savings Accounts?  Do they work like the insurance ones?

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Haha the cost is exactly upfront, the government has to foot the bill right off the bat.

"wouldn't be much" - I want a number.

You keep trying to get me to make an argument - I don't need to. That's not what I'm talking about.

Yeah, there is competition. What is going to keep a doctor in-state when they have student loans to pay off and the state income just doesn't cut it?

The Medicare levy (healthcare) is 1.5% of taxable income.

I don't quite understand your point about state income and competition.

FM's right, it's not free. Most people would be saving money with a public health-care system, you've seen the profits the insurance companies make. So it's like negative cost.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I now understand why the left finds it so difficult to work against a common enemy.

What does that mean?

It's really not a left vs. right argument though.  It's left vs. left to begin with, at least generally speaking.

Well for what it's worth I don't consider myself a democrat and have only voted for maybe 1 in my whole life, and that was for state Senator (and even then it was largely because my good friend was running the campaign).  If you really want to look at party demographics both parties are fragmented.  People tend to cling to party affiliations above all, even when that affiliation really doesn't describe their worldview.

If you drop the placeholders of Dem/Repub or Con/Lib, the breakdown is: people who think we should provide some sort of basic health-care system for people who otherwise could not afford it and those who believe that each person should be responsible for their own health, end of.  Of course there is disparate views of what that idea (basic care for everyone) should manifest as.  The other side is an absolute (take care of yourself).

I don't think any hospital should refuse life-saving care to anyone.  I believe people should be held accountable for their debts and any costs they incur in visiting a health-care facility without insurance or the ability to pay up front.  I also think there should be some sort of basic care set up for anyone that doesn't have insurance; whether or not that basic care system is set up through the government or private sector I don't care.  The system as it stands now is broken - the costs are too high, people take advantage of the system and generally speaking people don't seek preventative care.  The pharmaceutical industry strong-arms Congress and the FDA - there are critical issues wrong with the current system that need to be addressed. 

We (the general taxpaying public) are already paying for other people's care in various ways.  The idea is to minimize freeloaders and waste in whatever system exists - create a more efficient system, whether that is public or private.

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

FM's right, it's not free. Most people would be saving money with a public health-care system, you've seen the profits the insurance companies make. So it's like negative cost.

It is however, better to set up a healthcare system which cares more for their common man. A government should be governed by the consent. Still, this is not to say a complete removal of a private healthcare system is the best, but a balance of the two.

Start from the bottom to relieve healthcare cost: Drop that burger fatty.

h4hagen wrote:

I could get literally any of those for $15 dollars with my insurance (or more specifically my dads insurance)

Yes you can, but how about not paying for that insurance and see how much it costs.  Your Dad has already paid for the large portion of it, maybe even more depending on much he pays in premiums each month.