GFX And SSD Help

2009-11-12 11:10:20

#1

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

Right, my Dad has a pc that I'll probably buy pretty soon, and I want to upgrade the GPU and whack in an SSD for fastness.

For the SSD I'll be looking for the cheapest, yet best SSD I can get for under £100, if at all possible.

GPU, anything <£80. And anything that'll run BF2, Cod4 at max.

Shoot please, and I'll go get specs of said computer.

Last edited by CammRobb (2009-11-12 11:36:03)

2009-11-12 11:20:08

#2

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7103|Reykjavík, Iceland.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=910

and

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … =GX-120-GW

2009-11-12 11:35:20

#3

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

Sydney wrote:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-005-KS&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910

and

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … =GX-120-GW

SSD Is perfect.

Sorry, but I meant under £80, woops.

2009-11-12 11:40:24

#4

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7103|Reykjavík, Iceland.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … =GX-110-GW

I'd got for a mechanical drive and put more money in the video card if I were you.

2009-11-12 11:51:18

#5

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

Sydney wrote:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-110-GW

I'd got for a mechanical drive and put more money in the video card if I were you.

Meh, I've got a couple of big ass hdds as it is, really looking for a fast as fuck computer.

AMD FX62 @ 3.2Ghz
3GB Ram
Geforce 8400 GS

That's as much as I know.

2009-11-12 11:59:19

#6

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6841|SE London

CammRobb wrote:
Sydney wrote:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-005-KS&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910

and

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … =GX-120-GW
SSD Is perfect.

Sorry, but I meant under £80, woops.

You did indicate less than £80. No whoops needed.

More importantly - don't get that SSD.

Steer clear of JMicron based drives. More likely to fail. Will degrade faster. Will perform worse.

2009-11-12 12:28:39

#7

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

Bertster7 wrote:
CammRobb wrote:
Sydney wrote:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-005-KS&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=910

and

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … =GX-120-GW
SSD Is perfect.

Sorry, but I meant under £80, woops.
You did indicate less than £80. No whoops needed.

More importantly - don't get that SSD.

Steer clear of JMicron based drives. More likely to fail. Will degrade faster. Will perform worse.

I went back and shame edited lol.

Right, what's the other type of SSD?

2009-11-12 13:09:14

#8

Microwave: _; +515|6915|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

The whole idea of getting an SSD is that it's premium speed at a premium price, there's no point getting a cheap SSD. You either go the whole way or not at all. Just get a Samsung F3 or something.

2009-11-12 13:12:04

#9

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6713|The Twilight Zone

I agree with James. The cheap SSDs suck and are not worth it and they are so small. For an SSD to work optimally it has to have 20% of free space otherwise it will get extremely slow.

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2009-11-12 13:31:23

#10

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

james@alienware wrote:
The whole idea of getting an SSD is that it's premium speed at a premium price, there's no point getting a cheap SSD. You either go the whole way or not at all. Just get a Samsung F3 or something.

I know you have an SSD, which one is it and can you recommend it?

2009-11-12 13:32:43

#11

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6841|SE London

.Sup wrote:
For an SSD to work optimally it has to have 20% of free space otherwise it will get extremely slow.

That's mechanical drives - not SSDs. Free space is not a consideration unless using TRIM - in which case it will impact your performance.

Is it just me or have SSD prices leapt up in the past couple of weeks? The drive I got as increased in price by about 60% in that period (based on OCUK pricing).

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-11-12 13:34:56)

2009-11-12 13:37:15

#12

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6841|SE London

CammRobb wrote:
james@alienware wrote:
The whole idea of getting an SSD is that it's premium speed at a premium price, there's no point getting a cheap SSD. You either go the whole way or not at all. Just get a Samsung F3 or something.
I know you have an SSD, which one is it and can you recommend it?

Intel ones are good.

OCZ Vertexes are good.

I quite like my Crucial M225s - though wouldn't go for them over the others - I just got them because they were cheap.

2009-11-12 13:43:55

#13

Microwave: _; +515|6915|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

Bertster7 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
For an SSD to work optimally it has to have 20% of free space otherwise it will get extremely slow.
That's mechanical drives - not SSDs. Free space is not a consideration unless using TRIM - in which case it will impact your performance.

Is it just me or have SSD prices leapt up in the past couple of weeks? The drive I got as increased in price by about 60% in that period (based on OCUK pricing).

I thought if you used TRIM it stopped the free space thing being an issue? As in if you don't have TRIM enabled you need to have at least 20% free space...?

Yeah they have. It's the availability mostly I think. Mine's gone up £20.

2009-11-12 13:51:30

#14

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6841|SE London

james@alienware wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
For an SSD to work optimally it has to have 20% of free space otherwise it will get extremely slow.
That's mechanical drives - not SSDs. Free space is not a consideration unless using TRIM - in which case it will impact your performance.

Is it just me or have SSD prices leapt up in the past couple of weeks? The drive I got as increased in price by about 60% in that period (based on OCUK pricing).
I thought if you used TRIM it stopped the free space thing being an issue? As in if you don't have TRIM enabled you need to have at least 20% free space...?

Yeah they have. It's the availability mostly I think. Mine's gone up £20.

TRIM just stops you having to perform the equivalent of defraging, wiping free space that has previously been used. To maintain performance levels you have to properly clear all free space (that has been used) on drives routinely. Sectors that have been written to numerous times become slow until wiped. TRIM deals with this stuff on the fly, but requires space to work properly.

Part of the appeal of SSD drives is that, unlike mechanical drives, they do not suffer a performance hit related to % of free space.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2009-11-12 13:52:55)

2009-11-12 14:18:22

#15

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6713|The Twilight Zone

Bertster7 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
For an SSD to work optimally it has to have 20% of free space otherwise it will get extremely slow.
That's mechanical drives - not SSDs. Free space is not a consideration unless using TRIM - in which case it will impact your performance.

Is it just me or have SSD prices leapt up in the past couple of weeks? The drive I got as increased in price by about 60% in that period (based on OCUK pricing).

Yes I have TRIM enabled. Any reason not to have it enabled?

Camm check "SSD Benchmark" thread

2009-11-12 14:39:58

#16

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6706|Amsterdam‫

wasn't there some really bad bug in the latest intel frimware with trim?

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2009-11-12 14:56:07

#17

Microwave: _; +515|6915|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

menzo wrote:
wasn't there some really bad bug in the latest intel frimware with trim?

I got it and it was fine. Small performance increase too. Some people have had problems though.

2009-11-12 14:58:23

#18

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6713|The Twilight Zone

Works fine for me 2

2009-11-12 15:06:14

#19

menzo: ̏̏̏̏̏̏̏̏&#; +616|6706|Amsterdam‫

Dear User of the Intel® SSD Communities:

Thank you very much for your blogs on Intel Support Community related to updating the firmware on your Intel® 34nm High Performance SSDs. Intel is committed to its customers and its products and is taking this issue very seriously.

We have been contacted by users with SSD issues after using the firmware upgrade tool (version 1.3) in a Windows 7* 64bit environment. Intel has replicated the issue on 34nm SSDs (X25-M) and is working on a fix. If users have downloaded 02HA firmware and not upgraded, Intel recommends they don’t upgrade until further notice. Intel is pursuing the resolution of this as a high priority. No related issues have been reported by users who have successfully upgraded to 02HA firmware via the firmware upgrade tool (version 1.3).”

You should know that Intel is seeking direct feedback on this issue from members of the Community. In fact, we have communicated with selected users of the blog “Trim Update Hosed my Windows 7 Install”, asking them to send their drives directly to Intel to expedite the analysis of the issues. This action will enable us to more quickly generate a resolution for this issue.

We appreciate your patience in this matter. And thank you for participating in the Intel Support Community.

rgds,

Alan

NAND Solutions Group

http://communities.intel.com/message/72 … .node5COMS

2009-11-12 15:15:09

#20

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7016|Scotland

Cheap SSDs are pointless. The performance increase from a cheap SSD to a good one is just way too big to even warrant buying a cheap one.

Either go the full way and buy a good one, or don't buy one at all.

2009-11-12 15:44:43

#21

IrishGrimReaper: Field Marshal | o |; +142|6981|Ireland | Monaghan

.Sup wrote:
Works fine for me 2

QFT.

With the rape the Intel SSD's bring, get one of them. Problem is; that £80 budget will get owned lol.

Here's the one I got, Scan is pretty cheap! Price hasn't went up much I think, when I bought it was around £187 or so.

Intel Core i7 CPU 920 @ 4GHz || 3x2 GB OCZ 1600Mhz DDR3 || 80GB Intel X25-M Gen 2 || KFA2 GTX 480 1536Mb ||| Samsung T220 || Xonar DX 7.1 || AV 40 || P6T Deluxe V2 || Win 7 HP 64 Bit || Lian Li P80

2009-11-12 21:28:32

#22

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

Don't bother with cheap SSD. Either showel that money to the GPU or just save up for a decent SSD.

Oh and it does affect SSD performance if you fill it up bad. The drop is barely seeable in bechies until about 80% full so I would keep the drive <80% full at max.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-11-12 21:40:16)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8

2009-11-13 01:10:49

#23

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6390|Carnoustie MASSIF

Thanks for all the help guys.

2009-11-13 10:36:54

#24

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6841|SE London

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Don't bother with cheap SSD. Either showel that money to the GPU or just save up for a decent SSD.

Oh and it does affect SSD performance if you fill it up bad. The drop is barely seeable in bechies until about 80% full so I would keep the drive <80% full at max.

Not as far as I've seen/heard.

It's just that once they reach that sort of fullness, the remaining sectors have typically been written/read many, many times.

I do support more than 500 users running SSDs (MacBook Airs) and loads of them have the drives 90%+ full the whole time without experiencing any significant slowdown. It's not something I've ever seen happen, whereas with regular drives it happens all the time. I have a lot of exposure to this stuff and have never seen anything to support the notion that performance drops off when the drive is more than 80% full (this is almost entirely in OSX, not windows).

If you use TRIM you will get substantial slowdown if you use too much of the drive - which will take the form of a sudden drop, not a gradual decline, but otherwise there shouldn't be slowdown if you just fill the drive up.

2009-11-13 11:21:08

#25

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

Since I have SSD, I don't even need to quote any test, but do it myself:

50% full

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/24208/cdiskmark.png

>90% full

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/24208/ssdfull.png

User would not be seeing major slowdown, but it is quite significant drop.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-11-13 11:21:37)

3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8

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