Dilbert_X
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By incapacitating I meant in the long term, which is what the OP is about.
I know plenty of people who drink, those who smoke dope are definitely at the loser end of the scale.
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Uzique
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Dilbert_X wrote:

By incapacitating I meant in the long term, which is what the OP is about.
I know plenty of people who drink, those who smoke dope are definitely at the loser end of the scale.
i think on a societal-wide level, drinking and alcohol-abuse causes far more 'long term' debilitation than marijuana.

drink is like the vice of almost every lower-middle class household in britain, it's a nationwide rot. most 'frequent' weed smokers that i know are pretty smart guys, university (under)graduates or people currently in graduate employment. i would say your average council-estate punter that saves his weekly cash-in-hand for the pub on saturday night is more of a 'loser' than someone that enjoys the odd chill-out spliff.
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Benzin
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Alcohol doesn't seem to have the same incapacitating or demotivating effect as dope.
Nor does it completely take over peoples lives, I don't know anyone who jabbers on the internet about how awesome their next beer is going to be for example
Show me what science you're using to show that marijuana is more debilitating in the long-term than alcohol, even for your mild drinker and/or college partier. You don't see people dying from THC overdose on college campuses in the US. You DO see them dying from alcohol poisoning constantly. You don't see marijuana helping people along to do their latest dumbass stunt. You DO see people throwing back quite a few drinks and suddenly thinking they're the Man of Steel and nothing can harm them.

Sorry, but in moderation, weed is a lot less likely to destroy your life than alcohol. Anything used to the extreme will always produce extreme results. People who smoke LOTS of weed every day for their entire life certainly may not be the most motivated of people, but in comparison to someone who smokes a joint or a bowl every now and again after a long, hard week is not likely to be a complete drain on society.

Alcoholism is probably the number one disease of the middle class - and no one seems to really talk about it. Guarantee if they switched to pot they'd be a lot happier. I've yet to meet a person who was unhappy while smoking. I've met LOTS of people who lose their minds and become violent when they drink.

Sorry Dilbert, but you're totally wrong here.
Uzique
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people like dilbert will never see the 'wrong' because there is no concept of rational thinking towards drugs

it's the old societal instructions that "drugs = bad mm'kay", with the convenient blindspot being turned towards more-harmful drugs that have just been kept legal for tax/economy reasons, despite their social and familial damage.
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baggs
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Dilbert, bro, just be a man and admit defeat.
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GodFather wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I don't understand why someone who is as blatant a troll as Macbeth is allowed to stay.
I love it lol

He's actually pretty smart
Compared to a bag of hammers, maybe.

This topic is quite a hilarious example of Betty's topic openings. He posts something to start a mini-riot between members and then he disappears from the topic after approx. page 1.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Alcohol doesn't seem to have the same incapacitating or demotivating effect as dope.
Nor does it completely take over peoples lives
Go tell that into an AA meeting or to a woman and her kids at a shelter home after daddy took a hint of jolly ol' vodka and got the violencia on
Cybargs
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Only thing dislike about most pot users in the states is that they go "MAN I WANT MORE WEEd. WEED IS THE SHIT NIGGER OK MANG. MANG I WAS SO HIGH LAST NIGHT!"

Its the culture that surrounds it that annoys me. I'm sure in Europe people don't really give a flying fuck, but in America people make such a big deal around it (same with alcohol, but weed is way more).
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Cybargs wrote:

Only thing dislike about most pot users in the states is that they go "MAN I WANT MORE WEEd. WEED IS THE SHIT NIGGER OK MANG. MANG I WAS SO HIGH LAST NIGHT!"

Its the culture that surrounds it that annoys me. I'm sure in Europe people don't really give a flying fuck, but in America people make such a big deal around it (same with alcohol, but weed is way more).
thats because youre still a child
13urnzz
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whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Only thing dislike about most pot users in the states is that they go "MAN I WANT MORE WEEd. WEED IS THE SHIT NIGGER OK MANG. MANG I WAS SO HIGH LAST NIGHT!"

Its the culture that surrounds it that annoys me. I'm sure in Europe people don't really give a flying fuck, but in America people make such a big deal around it (same with alcohol, but weed is way more).
thats because youre still a child
they do the same thing about nudity. not hardcore porn, nudity - look what happened at the superbowl, costume malfunction blah blah blah. signs of a fucked up, insecure, neurotic and emotional society tbh . . .
Cybargs
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burnzz wrote:

whaaaaaaaaaat wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Only thing dislike about most pot users in the states is that they go "MAN I WANT MORE WEEd. WEED IS THE SHIT NIGGER OK MANG. MANG I WAS SO HIGH LAST NIGHT!"

Its the culture that surrounds it that annoys me. I'm sure in Europe people don't really give a flying fuck, but in America people make such a big deal around it (same with alcohol, but weed is way more).
thats because youre still a child
they do the same thing about nudity. not hardcore porn, nudity - look what happened at the superbowl, costume malfunction blah blah blah. signs of a fucked up, insecure, neurotic and emotional society tbh . . .
Funny thing guns are the only thing Americans don't care much about.

Well ig it is just general observation about people in college too, they make a huge fucking deal around weed which I do not understand.

If you can use it and STFU about it, then good for you.
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Benzin
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People that make a huge deal out of weed in the way you're referring to Cybargs are simply children. Most Americans are like that with alcohol, too. It's amazing that up until the age of 30, alcohol is like the greatest thing in the world for the vast majority of Americans. It's just amazing the lack of maturity that you average American under the age of 30 has.
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CapnNismo wrote:

People that make a huge deal out of weed in the way you're referring to Cybargs are simply children. Most Americans are like that with alcohol, too. It's amazing that up until the age of 30, alcohol is like the greatest thing in the world for the vast majority of Americans. It's just amazing the lack of maturity that you average American under the age of 30 has.
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SonderKommando
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Uzique wrote:

people like dilbert will never see the 'wrong' because there is no concept of rational thinking towards drugs

it's the old societal instructions that "drugs = bad mm'kay", with the convenient blindspot being turned towards more-harmful drugs that have just been kept legal for tax/economy reasons, despite their social and familial damage.
/thread.  Uzi summed it up very well.
loubot
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CapnNismo wrote:

People that make a huge deal out of weed in the way you're referring to Cybargs are simply children. Most Americans are like that with alcohol, too. It's amazing that up until the age of 30, alcohol is like the greatest thing in the world for the vast majority of Americans. It's just amazing the lack of maturity that you average American under the age of 30 has.
Don't put me in the same boat of people you have described.

I don't have time to discuss this but for the most part

Kids are not allowed to drink alcohol in the U.S. granted there is underage drinking but for the most part marjority of parents do not give alcohol to their children regardless of age. When you hear an underage drinker talk about being smashed, toasted, or ripped by booze or alcohol it is mindless blather of a minor doing something they should not be doing.

SOME individuals in their 20's and up do the same thing just to let loose. In general, I have know very few people who. make a big deal about what ever......cars, job salary, houses, just to feel important or successful in life.
Their boastfulness is tactless but you got to wonder do they talk just to impress you or are they trying to impress themselves.
Benzin
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Sorry, but I still hear alcohol stories from late 20 year old Americans more than I from similar-aged Europeans...
VicktorVauhn
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Wreckognize wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Not sure, either losers smoke pot or smoking pot makes people losers.
Pretty sure alcohol has ruined more lives than marijuana ever will.  Why don't your kind whine about drugs that are actually harmful?
Alcohol doesn't seem to have the same incapacitating or demotivating effect as dope.
Nor does it completely take over peoples lives, I don't know anyone who jabbers on the internet about how awesome their next beer is going to be for example
Are you kidding me?
Alcohol doesn't haven't have the same incapacitating effect? Drunk people cannot even walk a straight line... I have never seen anyone who honestly could not stand/walk/touch their nose while high. Ever seen someone drink to much and get a hang over? Ever see anyone smoke to much and get a hang over?

Taking over lives is debatable. Marijuana users tend to use more frequently through out the day... I will give you that... But it isn't like there are not plenty of people who start drinking at 2 in the afternoon. I think I would call it close enough to a tie

You don't know anyone who goes on about drinking on the internet? Father Ted posts every fucking time he is going to go drink a beer. There is an entire thread dedicated to people pointing out how badass the fact that they are drinking is.
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Andoura
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I smoke pot frequently and I don't think pot makes you stupid. People still see it this way because pot is illegal and they go ''oh shit this guy smokes marijuana, what an asshole.''

Alcohol IS worst than weed and dilbert gtfo.
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nukchebi0
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burnzz wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

The only pot-users I know who aren't total losers are those I've met at Yale.
so, while they're getting all their common sense educated out of them, at a ridiculously expensive rate, they're also killing their short term memory - now i see why you used the word 'total'. give it time then, those Yalies don't like to be known as failures. excepting of course, the ones elected to the White House . . .
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aimless
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who cares what other people do with their lives
Dilbert_X
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Uzique wrote:

people like dilbert will never see the 'wrong' because there is no concept of rational thinking towards drugs

it's the old societal instructions that "drugs = bad mm'kay", with the convenient blindspot being turned towards more-harmful drugs that have just been kept legal for tax/economy reasons, despite their social and familial damage.
No, its based on my personal experience of people I've known, drinkers, smokers, etc.
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GodFather
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Cybargs wrote:

Only thing dislike about most pot users in the states is that they go "MAN I WANT MORE WEEd. WEED IS THE SHIT NIGGER OK MANG. MANG I WAS SO HIGH LAST NIGHT!"

Its the culture that surrounds it that annoys me. I'm sure in Europe people don't really give a flying fuck, but in America people make such a big deal around it (same with alcohol, but weed is way more).
Thats mainly the people that think smoking herb makes them cool or unique and that they need to advertise that shit to everyone.

Plenty of freshman in my school sit there and talk about that fat, "90 sack" they got last month, like in front of the teacher. They're retarded and probably not going anywhere - this isnt all tokers though

Most people at my school dont even know that I smoke herb but I'm a bit deeper in than that, I dont advertise, theres no reason to - only bad things can come from people knowing anything about your activities



Look though, before I started toking I wasn't even aware of this whole community of drug users. I just figured dumb kids with no aspirations wasted their lifes by toking up and that people were fools for picking it up. But I've really learned since then, and It's been interesting meeting people from all over the place with a common trait: expanding your mind and horizons with drugs

Yeah, that sounds fucked up for someone who isn't into that type of thing, but it really isn't. If I told you I smoke weed to make myself happy and non-suicidal, what would you think? That I shouldn't abuse an illicit drug, that I should go to a psychologist and get some anti-depressants? Well what are anti-depressants? Drugs.

Everything is drugs these days, Oxycontin is basically synthetic heroin, and if you tell me painkillers and prescription drugs are better than heroin because there are studies and doctors and corporations behind it I'd say you may be wrong. Pretty much every person I see take painkillers ends up worse than the initial pain involved. I don't mess with painkillers basically.


But guys, if you've never taken any hallucinogenic substance your seriously missing out on life. I know, again, that sounds bad, but it really isn't. When you think of hallucinogen you probably think, "why would I want shit to move around in my vision, why is that better than being drunk? Hallucinogens are hard drugs I'm not messing with that" But really, hallucinogens flip your perspective on life, things like DMT and salvia when used correctly can drastically change someones outlook on life, the shamans in mesoamerica used a lot of the now popular hallucinogens like: ayahuasca, salvia divinorum and mushrooms in their rituals

The drugs that are in "illegal drugs" are already in your brain, in low amounts, and your brain has receptors for them. I truly believe that certain hallucinogenic drugs are keys to unlocking your brain, and I plan on casually and slowly expanding my horizons.

Please note that you CAN over do hallucinogens, and if used incorrectly (like a lot of idiots do) they can do damage. You body needs to RECHARGE all the chemicals it uses on these psyconaut journeys - whenever I hear someone say, "Yeah, I roll e every weekend" I cringe, MDMA depletes serotonin levels and should realistically only be taken every 3 weeks with some vitamin supplements to help out. And people wonder why their so depressed and their souls feel snuffed out...


But people, before you take any drugs, find out what your getting into. Knowledge is power. Check out a very reliable site called www.erowid.org and read about that drugs health concerns, trip reports, dosing, images of the drug, other alerts, etc.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/psychoactives.shtml



In closing, you guys can read the above, shake your head and tell me that I'm lost and a loser, but it really doesn't matter what you think. I'm doing something that I don't believe is wrong, or more dangerous than crossing the street. I research everything that I do/take, I even research what I will never take (Heroin, meth, etc.) because I still believe it is interesting. I'm the kind of person that will put his own beliefs aside to listen to what another person is saying just for pure interest and the will to expand my knowledge, and understanding. Most people who are very heavily anti drug will not even listen, and that makes me a little sad but, "people are people" and I cant do anything to change them nor do I want to change them

Also, not saying DO DRUGS BECAUSE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING IF YOU DON'T, I'm letting you in on why people take drugs and I'm trying to give you a different way to look at something that is as human as war

Spoiler (highlight to read):
nobody probably read but I woke up at 1am with a full nights rest so this sucessfully killed some time

GodFather out
KingCheese
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GodFather wrote:

But guys, if you've never taken any hallucinogenic substance your seriously missing out on life.
They really don't suit everyone.  Hallucinogens have the power to absolutley destroy some people mentally even on a one off basis.

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