Need new speakers/sound system.

2010-01-12 13:21:29

#26

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6456|Winland

.Sup wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Well, it's really between the KRK Rokit 8's or the BX8a's if you're spending that much. The Rokits seem to be about half the price of the M-Audios, and performance will scale according to that.
M-Audio Studiophile BX8a 254,76€ pair
http://www.geizhals.eu/a175060.html

KRK Systems Rokit 8 Generation 2 222,48€ one piece
http://www.geizhals.eu/a350873.html

Not sure where you got your prices but they are wrong. The KRKs are actually twice the price of the M-Audios. In a better (pro) studios you won't see M-Audio monitors but KRKs or Yamahas or Dynaudio or Adam.

Yes, I noticed that. See four posts above.

I still stand by my saying that the M-Audios will work good for hi-fi. I doubt he can get much better full-range coverage for the money.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-01-12 15:57:20

#27

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Ok, sweet. Will purchase soon. Thanks for all the help

.Sup, was hoping you'd have more input on it, but oh well. The KRKs are nice, but just not worth the price; I'm not doing anything spectacular, just listening to a lot of music, the M-Audios should do me fine. When I decide to go full out, I'll definitely consider the KRKs .

2010-01-13 01:10:57

#28

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You are of course aware of those speakers are only 2 way speakers?

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2010-01-13 01:11:27

#29

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Varegg wrote:
You are of course aware of those speakers are only 2 way speakers?

What does that have to do with anything?

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-01-13 01:12:20

#30

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Freezer7Pro wrote:
Varegg wrote:
You are of course aware of those speakers are only 2 way speakers?
What does that have to do with anything?

Nah ... just the soundpicture ... it's a reason it is in the studio category ...

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2010-01-13 01:20:32

#31

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Varegg wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Varegg wrote:
You are of course aware of those speakers are only 2 way speakers?
What does that have to do with anything?
Nah ... just the soundpicture ... it's a reason it is in the studio category ...

...?

They're accurate speakers, just like any other accurate speaker. Two-way is to be preferred if you're using them nearfield anyhow.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-01-13 01:28:56

#32

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Two way speakers gives you a crisper sound and are more of a pro equipment aka in a studio, in a regular room with wood floors and/or other reflective surfaces the sound can tend be a tad off ... for normal usage with two speakers only you should choose tree way speakers for a softer and actually better sound ... two ways are more of a component in a larger setup ...

Yes they are more accurate, maybe too accurate for Zimmers need ...

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2010-01-13 01:48:40

#33

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Varegg wrote:
Two way speakers gives you a crisper sound and are more of a pro equipment aka in a studio, in a regular room with wood floors and/or other reflective surfaces the sound can tend be a tad off ... for normal usage with two speakers only you should choose tree way speakers for a softer and actually better sound ... two ways are more of a component in a larger setup ...

Yes they are more accurate, maybe too accurate for Zimmers need ...

No wooden floors. All carpeted.

Also, find me an active monitor that is 3-way. I can't for the life of me find one. I'm pretty positive active monitors are designed to be used as media entertainment speakers as well (as many of them describe themselves like that).

Active monitors aren't a component of a larger setup, so that's rubbish. If they were speakers, then I'd agree with you, but the whole point of active monitors is that they need nothing else to operate.

2010-01-13 01:53:50

#34

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Was just a heads up David in case you had not considered it ... but obviously you have so my bad ...

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2010-01-13 02:07:32

#35

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Varegg wrote:
Was just a heads up David in case you had not considered it ... but obviously you have so my bad ...

I know it was, but I couldn't find one

Also, I was looking at the outputs of a Asus Sound card (or any other gaming soundcard, for that matter) and the outputs aren't the ones I would require for active monitors. Should I be buying a studio soundcard?

What should I be getting? Do I want to split the basic sound card 1/8" stereo mini-plug to a Left and Right output, or would it be better to go for something like this:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/A … le192.html

2010-01-13 02:13:46

#36

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6456|Winland

Varegg wrote:
Two way speakers gives you a crisper sound and are more of a pro equipment aka in a studio, in a regular room with wood floors and/or other reflective surfaces the sound can tend be a tad off ... for normal usage with two speakers only you should choose tree way speakers for a softer and actually better sound ... two ways are more of a component in a larger setup ...

Yes they are more accurate, maybe too accurate for Zimmers need ...

The advantage of three-way systems is that you can design the woofer without regard for the upper midrange, so you can focus on better low-end coverage. However, this is completely unnecessary when you're dealing with such a small (8") woofer, as it's hard to not make it go up to 2-3kHz. Three-way systems start getting interesting once you move up to 12" and bigger woofers.

Zimmer wrote:
Varegg wrote:
Was just a heads up David in case you had not considered it ... but obviously you have so my bad ...
I know it was, but I couldn't find one

Also, I was looking at the outputs of a Asus Sound card (or any other gaming soundcard, for that matter) and the outputs aren't the ones I would require for active monitors. Should I be buying a studio soundcard?

What should I be getting? Do I want to split the basic sound card 1/8" stereo mini-plug to a Left and Right output, or would it be better to go for something like this:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/A … le192.html

You just need a passive 3.5mm headphone jack to XLR adaptor.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2010-01-13 02:16:25)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2010-01-13 02:19:59

#37

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7069|Nårvei

I have no experience setting up a active speaker system seeing as it is a tad overkill for home usage, have only used it in concerts and such arrangements and my brother is the sound engineer so I usually just connects whatever he tells me 2 ...

I would hands down choose a passive setup with 3 way speakers and a receiver and connect my computer to that ... less tweaks but a better sound imho ...

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2010-01-13 02:26:24

#38

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Just to one XLR? Will that not only connect one speaker?

Fuck sake, there are so many active monitors between Â£200 and Â£300 it's hard to choose.

2010-01-13 02:42:34

#39

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
Varegg wrote:
Was just a heads up David in case you had not considered it ... but obviously you have so my bad ...
I know it was, but I couldn't find one

Also, I was looking at the outputs of a Asus Sound card (or any other gaming soundcard, for that matter) and the outputs aren't the ones I would require for active monitors. Should I be buying a studio soundcard?

What should I be getting? Do I want to split the basic sound card 1/8" stereo mini-plug to a Left and Right output, or would it be better to go for something like this:
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/A … le192.html
You just need a passive 3.5mm headphone jack to XLR adaptor.

That card Zimmer linked has no XLR outs/ins but it does however have TRS outs/ins which are also balanced. Seeing as both the BX8 monitor and sound card have TRS connectors you only need 2x TRS cable (fat stereo banana plug x2)

https://www.performermag.com/images/14--TRS.jpg

-->this on both ends x2

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2010-01-13 02:50:18

#40

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

.Sup - I was referring to using the Asus Sonar DX instead of that Audiophile - That would require me to have a 3.5mm to XLR as Freezer stated, but I asked if I need to split it to two XLRs or not - Seeing as it's a pair of monitors.

I don't really need a studio sound card, do I?

2010-01-13 02:52:33

#41

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Zimmer wrote:
.Sup - I was referring to using the Asus Sonar DX instead of that Audiophile - That would require me to have a 3.5mm to XLR as Freezer stated, but I asked if I need to split it to two XLRs or not - Seeing as it's a pair of monitors.

I don't really need a studio sound card, do I?

Xonar won't get you balanced connection and balanced setup has major advantages over unbalanced.

2010-01-13 02:55:54

#42

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

.Sup wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
.Sup - I was referring to using the Asus Sonar DX instead of that Audiophile - That would require me to have a 3.5mm to XLR as Freezer stated, but I asked if I need to split it to two XLRs or not - Seeing as it's a pair of monitors.

I don't really need a studio sound card, do I?
Xonar won't get you balanced connection and balanced setup has major advantages over unbalanced.

Why not? Are there any other sound cards out there other than the M-AUDIOs then?

2010-01-13 02:59:20

#43

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Zimmer wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
.Sup - I was referring to using the Asus Sonar DX instead of that Audiophile - That would require me to have a 3.5mm to XLR as Freezer stated, but I asked if I need to split it to two XLRs or not - Seeing as it's a pair of monitors.

I don't really need a studio sound card, do I?
Xonar won't get you balanced connection and balanced setup has major advantages over unbalanced.
Why not? Are there any other sound cards out there other than the M-AUDIOs then?

Loads. I'm passed sound cards though.

regarding connection DX>BX8

You need a 3.5mm stereo jack to-------------->2x TS unbalanced mono 1/4 jack (same as the jack i posted above but without ring)

XLRs cannot be used with a card that doesn't offer balanced connections.

2010-01-13 03:18:38

#44

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

.Sup wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
.Sup wrote:

Xonar won't get you balanced connection and balanced setup has major advantages over unbalanced.
Why not? Are there any other sound cards out there other than the M-AUDIOs then?
Loads. I'm passed sound cards though.

regarding connection DX>BX8

You need a 3.5mm stereo jack to-------------->2x TS unbalanced mono 1/4 jack (same as the jack i posted above but without ring)

XLRs cannot be used with a card that doesn't offer balanced connections.

I assume you pass your music through a firewire connection?

Okay, so XLR and TRS are just different connections, but the same quality on both.

Hrm, okay, so M-Audio BX8as with The M-Audio 192 Audiophile and TRS connectors.

2010-01-13 03:26:21

#45

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Zimmer wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Zimmer wrote:

Why not? Are there any other sound cards out there other than the M-AUDIOs then?
Loads. I'm passed sound cards though.

regarding connection DX>BX8

You need a 3.5mm stereo jack to-------------->2x TS unbalanced mono 1/4 jack (same as the jack i posted above but without ring)

XLRs cannot be used with a card that doesn't offer balanced connections.
I assume you pass your music through a firewire connection?

Okay, so XLR and TRS are just different connections, but the same quality on both.

Hrm, okay, so M-Audio BX8as with The M-Audio 192 Audiophile and TRS connectors.

I use USB devices. Take a look at ESI Julia

What's better with the XLRs is that you can use longer cable lengths without degrading SQ (only applies when cables are 8m or longer) and XLRs are safer- if you disconnect the TRS/TS when devices connected with them are ON you can damage them while with XRL that's impossible cos of its different connector design.

2010-01-13 03:33:55

#46

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Ok what about USB device then, prices are pretty similar so there is little problem with going for that.

2010-01-13 03:47:41

#47

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6712|The Twilight Zone

Zimmer wrote:
Ok what about USB device then, prices are pretty similar so there is little problem with going for that.

Budget for the audio device?

Here are some of the low-mid level DACs (most superior to all soundcrads)

Alien (1)
Apogee Duet (3)
Asus Essence STX (4)
Audio-gd Compass (13)
Bantam (1)
Behringer DEQ2496 (2)
Behringer SRC2496 (1)
Beresford TC-7510 (2)
Beresford TC-7520 (3)
Beresford TC-7520 SE (Caiman) (2)
Cambridge Audio DacMagic (12)
Cambridge Audio Dacmagic2 (1)
Creative Xmod (1)
Devilsound DAC (1)
Echo Gina 3G (1)
Edirol UA-25 (1)
EMU-0404 (8)
EMU-1212m (1)
Firestone Audio Fubar II (1)
Gamma1 (6)
Headamp Pico dac only (10)
Headamp Pico dac/amp (5)
Heed Q-PSU+DACtilus (1)
HotAudio DacDestroyer
HotAudio DacStraight (1)
HotAudio HotUSB1 (3)
HRT Music Streamer+ (1)
iBasso D10 (10)
iBasso D4 (1)
iBasso D3 (1)
iBasso D2 (3)
iBasso D1 (3)
Keces DA-151mkI (1)
Keces DA-151mkII (2)
Lite DAC-AH (1)
Little Dot DAC_I (2)
M-audio transit (1)
M-Audio Firewire Solo (1)
M-Audio FireWire 410 (1)
Matrix (1)
Maverick Audio Tube Magic (2)
MF VDAC (7)
Moodlab Concept (2)
Music Hall DAC 25.2 (heavily modded) (1)
Musiland LILO3 Deluxe (1)
Musiland Monitor 02 US (4)
Nuforce Icon Mobile (3)
Nuforce Icon uDac (4)
RME DIGI96/8 PAD (1)
RME Hammerfall 9632 (1)highly modified and with crazy custom digital breakout
RSA The Predator (4)
Silverstone EB01 (3)
Super Pro USB DAC 707 (2)
Tianyun Zero (4)
Travagan's Green (1)
Trends Audio 10.1 (1)
Valab Non-OS DAC 2008 Ver. (2)
Valab Non-OS DAC 2009 Ver. 2.1 (2)
Valab Non-OS DAC 2009 Ver. 2.5 (1)
Zhaolu D2.00 (1)

Last edited by .Sup (2010-01-13 03:59:32)

2010-01-13 03:58:05

#48

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

Well the sound card is 100GBP, so around that is the budget. Again though, I'm open to suggestions

2010-01-13 04:35:20

#49

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7015|Scotland

So I should get the Asus? The balanced audio doesn't matter? I want a good set up, but wherever I can some money I will. I don't want to waste it if you can't even notice the difference.

2010-01-13 04:52:30

#50

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6456|Winland

Zimmer wrote:
So I should get the Asus? The balanced audio doesn't matter? I want a good set up, but wherever I can some money I will. I don't want to waste it if you can't even notice the difference.

Balanced connectors won't really matter in your case. They're mainly for when you're running very long cables. Just make sure you get some somewhat-decently shielded cables. I use Belkin PureAV, the cheapest kind, and they've got all what unbalanced cables need.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

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