tazz.
oz.
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My mobo is starting to age.. it's burning out so to say.


I need suggestions and a lil help on what i should purchase...

My budget is not to go to high.. No more than 500 all up.

What i need: A mobo that can support 2 graphics cards.. Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like? Or would i need to purchase a second 4850.. Or ATI at least..

Also I want to get an i5.. i7s are still too expensive.... Whats the goss on CPU prices? Is there new releases soon, thus these would plummit?



I have plenty of time to think about this.. it's nothing instant... So what's your suggestions?
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Finray
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tazz. wrote:

Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like?
Not a fucking hope in hell, sorry Tazz

i5 seems like a nice choice. Don't fall into Intels "Buy our OVERCLOCKED versions for >£9001 more", they're essentially the same chips with higher clocks, which you can do yourself.
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The_Sniper_NM
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tazz. wrote:

Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like?
Depends, No on vista, yes on xp.

As for motherboards, for no particular reason [/sarcasm], I'd advise any EVGA board.

Current CPUs are like this -> i7 > i5 > C2Q = Phenom 2
Cybargs
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Finray wrote:

tazz. wrote:

Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like?
Not a fucking hope in hell, sorry Tazz

i5 seems like a nice choice. Don't fall into Intels "Buy our OVERCLOCKED versions for >£9001 more", they're essentially the same chips with higher clocks, which you can do yourself.
i7 920's are badass tbh.
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tazz.
oz.
+1,339|6449|Sydney | ♥

I'll research EVGA then..

Does it matter about speed of the graphics slots? Some i've looked at are x16 and x4/x8 etc...
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Cybargs
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tazz. wrote:

I'll research EVGA then..

Does it matter about speed of the graphics slots? Some i've looked at are x16 and x4/x8 etc...
Most mobo's today run dual 16x slots. I wouldn't worry too much about it myself. I'd stick to an asus board if you go with an i7. P6TD Deluxe is win.
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Freezer7Pro
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The_Sniper_NM wrote:

tazz. wrote:

Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like?
Depends, No on vista, yes on xp.
Also works on 7.
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Hey Tazz, would be cool to see some updates on your build as you progress with it and to know how well everything runs once your done. Pics, etc if you feel inclined to

My brother wants me to put together a computer for him soon, so I'll be following this.
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tazz.
oz.
+1,339|6449|Sydney | ♥

Cybargs wrote:

tazz. wrote:

I'll research EVGA then..

Does it matter about speed of the graphics slots? Some i've looked at are x16 and x4/x8 etc...
Most mobo's today run dual 16x slots. I wouldn't worry too much about it myself. I'd stick to an asus board if you go with an i7. P6TD Deluxe is win.
I'm assuming your build is a i7 920 with a P6T? 

Mr.Dooomed wrote:

Hey Tazz, would be cool to see some updates on your build as you progress with it and to know how well everything runs once your done. Pics, etc if you feel inclined to

My brother wants me to put together a computer for him soon, so I'll be following this.
no worries mate
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously.
Stubbee
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tazz. wrote:

I'll research EVGA then..

Does it matter about speed of the graphics slots? Some i've looked at are x16 and x4/x8 etc...
I read on Tom's or [H]ardForumsI think that most cards won't even saturate x8 slots so PCIe bus speeds really don't matter. i always thought until reading the article that you need x16 to fully use a card. They ran a i think a 5970 (singly and SLI) in x1 through x16 slots. They had to cut the smaller slots so the card would fit in the smaller PCie.

See if I can find it again.

EDIT:
How memory fades with age.

It was an HD5870 and on techpowerup forums and no SLI per se but they do address SLI in their conclusions

Their conclusions:
What an interesting mix of results! Let's begin our inference of the results by saying that for the Radeon HD 5870, the PCI-Express 2.0 x16 is the broadway it can fit all its four wheels on, and try some road stunts, while it's at it. PCI-Express 2.0 x8 performance, which is perhaps the most crucial set of figures in this review, holds relevance to most people looking to pair two of these cards on mid-range motherboards or one of these cards on an x16 1.x motherboard. It holds even more relevance to users and potential-users of most socket LGA-1156 motherboards, as this is where 16 lanes from the processor's on-die PCI-E switch are split into two 8 lane links. Surprising as it seems, the Radeon HD 5870 is comfortable, with a mere 2% performance drop overall. PCI-Express 2.0 x4 is where the Radeon HD 5870's discomfort is slightly notable, with a 5% drop, and even more surprisingly, on PCI-Express 2.0 x1, big as it seems, the performance drop is "only" 25% overall. Considering that you rob the card most of its data transfer potential, leaving only a 1/16th of the optimum bandwidth, it is still impressive that it can deliver 75% of its performance.

Different applications respond differently to the drop in interface bandwidth, and hence you could do with a closer look at the results for each application. Games with lighter texture, shader, and instruction data don't particularly need all 16 lanes, and evidently, in games such as Quake 4, you're able see the accelerator comfortable with even PCI-Express 2.0 x4. Video memory-intensive games will show bigger performance margins. Besides applications, the other important factor is the resolution at which they are being run. At higher resolutions, it pays to have higher interface bandwidth, as it's usually high-resolution textures the GPU is dealing with. Although small, the gaps widen with increase in resolution. However, it is important to realize that even at 1024x768 some applications will see serious differences in performance caused by PCI-Express bandwidth.

Our bottom-line on this subject is that there is every reason to be optimistic when opting for two of these accelerators on motherboards with two PCI-Express 2.0 x16 (electrical x8) slots, because the performance penalty between that and PCI-Express 2.0 x16 (electrical x16) is just too small. Unless you're the quintessential enthusiast and every frame per second increase matters to you, there is no reason to worry about a performance drop on mid-range motherboards, although this is only one of the factors, a main one at that, to contribute to the performance drop. Some motherboard manufacturers are offering a third PCI-Express x16 slot that is electrically x4. The results show that the performance drop isn't as bad as one would imagine, so we will green-signal installing a third accelerator for some 3-way ATI CrossfireX action, or 2-way CrossfireX on entry-level Intel P55 motherboards with the second x16 slot electrically x4 (running in 1.0 mode). If you're crazy enough to mod a PCI-Express x1 slot (by carefully cutting its end to let it seat a PCI-Express graphics card), then the scores should really dishearten you. Buy one of these accelerators now, add one later, and you will have secured yourself future-proofing.
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Last edited by Stubbee (2010-01-15 06:32:02)

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I take it you don't have any DDR3 RAM either? So you'll need some of it too?

What's some website you Aussies buy off anyway?
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Finray
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

The_Sniper_NM wrote:

tazz. wrote:

Is it possible to have my HD4850 and my nvidea 7700 running in the same mobo all nice like?
Depends, No on vista, yes on xp.
Also works on 7.
Orly? Can you get them to work in SLFire? () or are they used for seperate things, for example 7700 for physx and 4850 for graphic producing?
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tazz.
oz.
+1,339|6449|Sydney | ♥

IrishGrimReaper wrote:

I take it you don't have any DDR3 RAM either? So you'll need some of it too?

What's some website you Aussies buy off anyway?
msy.com.au has usually the cheapest parts.. if they have it in stock..

Mostly i use http://www.shopbot.com.au/ to see where the cheapest is.


@Stubbee, Thanks heaps +1
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