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bakinacake wrote:

Bevo wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

Well, say if it was true, would it be a fear tactic? If you 110% knew it was going to happen, would it be a fear tactic? Would it not be a warning? According to this it's facts, black and white, that is what WILL happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?

That's illogical ma'am.

Let's say I believe a giant blue asteroid was going to crush the shit out of your house, and I "knew this to be true". And I told you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? According to my diety this is facts, it will happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?

Not what you believe to be true, but what is true. If it was true then I would. If you believed it to be true, then no. In this situation it is not about what I believed to be true, but I was asking if it was true.

facepalm.

i'm sorry if you can't see that there's no difference, you're too closed minded to continue on with. Let me make this clear. You can't be sure of anything. You can only believe things are true.

Dauntless wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.

This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .

Also dinosaurs did go on the Arc, they must just not have been able to adjust to the new world again, because it was different(Changed continents, oceans, different atmosphere).

You don't have to "spend time" perfecting things if you're omnipotent and omniscient.

There were dinosaurs on the ark? how big was the arc and how did he deal with the freshwater fish?

How do you know? That is the human understanding of an omnipotent and omniscient being. We are obviously not that, so how do you know that He didn't do that. Remember according to this we are created in the image of God, so therefore God must be alike all of us, including the types of people who are perfectionists. Right? Ill answer below about the fish and dinos.

Dauntless wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.

God must have known that was all going to happen but he let it happen anyways and started all over again?

How old is the earth?

What about evolution, do you believe in that?

God knew it would happen but he could not change it, because people have free will. He let man run free and do as he sought fit because he gave them free will.

According to biblical scientists the earth is estimated about 4000-6000 years old.

No I don't believe in evolution, what I do believe in is that God created say 1 type of dog, that carried the dna for the different types we have now. Same for fish, I'm sure that the fish then would have been salt water fish, that had then moved upstream and bread until they became freshwater. In a sence It is evolution, but different. God created it all, but just gave it the ability to change and form different things. Yes there were dinosaurs on the Arc, it said it took two of every kind of animal onto the Arc.

Bevo wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

Bevo wrote:

That's illogical ma'am.

Let's say I believe a giant blue asteroid was going to crush the shit out of your house, and I "knew this to be true". And I told you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? According to my diety this is facts, it will happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?

Not what you believe to be true, but what is true. If it was true then I would. If you believed it to be true, then no. In this situation it is not about what I believed to be true, but I was asking if it was true.

facepalm.

i'm sorry if you can't see that there's no difference, you're too closed minded to continue on with. Let me make this clear. You can't be sure of anything. You can only believe things are true.

And i'm saying, hypothetically, if you knew it was going to be true

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bakinacake wrote:

And i'm saying, hypothetically, if you knew it was going to be true

Lol.

I know a giant blue asteroid is going to crush the shit out of your house. And I'm telling you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? This is true, I know it to be true. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?

Phrozenbot wrote:

Bevo wrote:

i'm sorry if you can't see that there's no difference, you're too closed minded to continue on with. Let me make this clear. You can't be sure of anything. You can only believe things are true.

Is truth that hidden? Perception =/= Reality.

I didn't say nothing was absolute. I said you can't know, as a person.

bakinacake wrote:

Bevo wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

And i'm saying, hypothetically, if you knew it was going to be true

Lol.

I know a giant blue asteroid is going to crush the shit out of your house. And I'm telling you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? This is true, I know it to be true. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?

Well I myself would not pay you, because if I was to die, I would die. Hypothetically yes, a person would pay another if they knew that this was actual fact.

Also Christianity is Free, I don't see where you got the $10,000 from.

Say there was no fee. Would you agree to pay me the dues of... 10 minutes of respect towards me one day out of the week?

bakinacake wrote:

How do you know? That is the human understanding of an omnipotent and omniscient being.

No, that's what the word means... All knowing and all powerful.

bakinacake wrote:

God knew it would happen but he could not change it, because people have free will. He let man run free and do as he sought fit because he gave them free will.

They weren't free he killed them all and started over again

Why don't you believe in evolution? Do you have any theory to disprove it?

Dauntless wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

How do you know? That is the human understanding of an omnipotent and omniscient being.

No, that's what the word means... All knowing and all powerful.

bakinacake wrote:

God knew it would happen but he could not change it, because people have free will. He let man run free and do as he sought fit because he gave them free will.

They weren't free he killed them all and started over again

Why don't you believe in evolution? Do you have any theory to disprove it?

Who thought of the word, Humans. It is a human understanding of a non human being.

They were free, he let them choose. They chose to sin and this caused the need for a new start. I do not have a theory per-se to disprove it, just that from a biblical viewpoint, God created everything. If you look at a evolution viewpoint, something would have had to create the dna that started the evolution over 'millions' of years to get where we are now. What created that? Where is your proof that it was caused like this. To be honest Creationism makes more sence.

Allah hu Akbar.

Bevo wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

Christianity is not about 10 minutes of respect one day of the week, it is about a relationship, which is every second of the day and night.

And remember it's not to you, it's to your deity, as you said previously.

You clearly don't understand I'm not interested. Christianity tells you that you have to go to church and believe in the religion and you get saved from eternal damnation yes? On the most basic level. You attend church. You get saved. You attend church and get saved. Yes?

It's nothing more than mass extortion. Look at the crusades... the church got people to go slay those nasty brown people for "glory and riches". The church was the govmt. If people didn't believe in Christianity, this wouldn't have been possible.

You say you're not interested, but you keep responding.

Christianity does not force you do attend church. It only says that to go to heaven, you must be pure. As humans are not pure because we sin, we accept that Jesus died for us, so we don't have to. = pure.

Remember that in the Church there is normal people. People make mistakes, people are also corrupted, yes they sent thousands of people to death from the crusades in the name of God. But if it was actually God's will is debatable, remember we still have free will. If they had followed the teachings of Jesus, which would be to turn the other cheek, yes it probably wouldn't of happened. Then again, if you look at the Old Testament, it clearly shows that God smites the enemies of Israel, because they are the chosen people. But God also did punish the Israelis for disobeying him, I'm sure there is justification for the crusades somewhere, but I do not know where because I am human and don't know everything.

Bevo wrote:

Phrozenbot wrote:

Bevo wrote:

Say there was no fee. Would you agree to pay me the dues of... 10 minutes of respect towards me one day out of the week?

Why, cause an asteroid is going to hit his house? I thought this was about your deity, not you, as an example.

Yes. It would be to the diety, I would just be the agent like the church is the agent of god.

Christianity never said that to get to God you had to go through the Church, the Church is just a group of people that support each other.

The only true agent of God I assume would be Jesus, as He basically told us what God was all about.

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androoz wrote:

13/f/taiwan wrote:

[ ]correct forum

No one checks the polls section.

I am now happy to announce that I am a Christian.

talkin' about d&st.

m3thod wrote:

Allah hu Akbar.

This. Also, I'm a Jew.

I also follow certain teachings of Dudeism, Buddha, and the Tao.

Bevo wrote:

bakinacake wrote:

You say you're not interested, but you keep responding.

In the specifics.

Would you agree that christianity is similar to my blue asteroid religion in the frame that belief saves you from something terrible that will happen. Yes?

Insha'Allah