Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK
E.S.O.E. Special Forces (Ranked)     [Play]   
IP: 85.236.101.25:16567

Once I'd have said this server was a fun place to play, with fairness and teamwork all round,  but after being killed on Mass Destruction 5-6 times in a row by a claywhoring ESOE member/admin (for those amongst you who are familiar with Trebor/Bassets Liquorice Allsorts his name has the mascots name in it), and seeing others receive the same treatment when attempting to take that flag, I called him out with: 'Nice to see that ESOE members claywhore too'
His response? 'your point?'
Mine: 'it was fairly straightforward'
'I called you a claywhore, for claywhoring, did you happen to get any help inputting your cd-key?'

I was then banned with no input reason. (1st ban, and for calling out a corrupt admin, Badge of Honour FTW)
Edit: Darn, looks like it was a temp ban, still, I typed this all out, so it'd be a shame not to post it.

I don't really view this as a rant or complaint, as there are other servers to play, but I feel that an admin who claywhores and then bans someone for being pissed off that he claywhores, when other people get told not to, is sufficient reason to alert people that this server has rules, but US v THEM != subject to the same rules.

And to any ESOE member who stumbles on here, go on, ban me for life. Then I don't forget somewhere down the line and log onto your server. If I offended yer boy so badly by calling him what he was, and then suggesting he might not be the brightest bulb 'somewhere in England' when he felt the need to ask what my point was, maybe he shouldn't have the power to kick and ban in the first place.

Anyway, flames, support, all other comments, leave em, unless you are friends with a Muppet called Ernie, in which case you already had your say mate, and that action spoke a thousand words.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7128
Claymores aren't against the rules no matter how much you dislike them.
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK
Well, I suggest you read things before you put finger to keyboard.

I have seen, ESOE admin/members telling people that claywhoring is NOT allowed on their server.
I see an ESOE member Claywhoring.
I comment on that fact.

I don't dislike claymores, and there is normally a way around clay whores and C4 defence.
What I took umbrage with, was the fact that there is one rule for the public, and another for them.

You earnt your -1 karma well with that post.

PS: As it apparently isn't common sense, please, make sure you read the post you are replying to in future, it stops you looking like a clownshoe. And I don't want any 'it didn't interest me enough to read it' excuses, that would mean you were just skimming a thread, trolling randomly, and farming postcount. Bad Boy!

Last edited by Foxhoundmgw (2006-04-23 04:56:51)

Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|7111|Washington, DC

So you don't expect an admin to kick you after insulting him? Excellent logic.
Shadow893
lel
+75|7173|England

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Claymores aren't against the rules no matter how much you dislike them.
Thats beside's the point though. He was calling him out for claywhoring, not for disliking the claymores, and the admin didn't like it so he got banned. Noob admin i bet,
rawls
Banned
+11|7296|California, USA
I dont understand. People complain about  certain tactics. (Claymores around the flag in this instance) They get alot of other people to complain. And now people who do this get kicked/banned from servers.
EA comes out with a patch so you can only place two at a time. Still people complain. People complain about bunny hoppin. EA comes out with a patch so you cant shoot in the air. People still complain. People still get kicked/banned. Its just not fair to those who use every weapon/tactic in the arsenal to play the game.
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK
He asked my point.
I gave my point.
As I already said, I hope an ESOE member reads this and bans me for life, as I do not wish to forget when drunk and go back to be subject to more split rules.

Once again,
Kick/Ban Does NOT bother me, there are OTHER SERVERS.
kick/ban for calling a dumb claywhore a dumb claymore, does NOT bother me.

As I already said, this isn't a complaint as such, but a warning that the rules are not the rules for everyone.

Maybe someone could re-read my original post and let me know if it's written badly, because I thought I wrote that fairly plainly.
rawls
Banned
+11|7296|California, USA

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Well, I suggest you read things before you put finger to keyboard.

I have seen, ESOE admin/members telling people that claywhoring is NOT allowed on their server.
I see an ESOE member Claywhoring.
I comment on that fact.

I don't dislike claymores, and there is normally a way around clay whores and C4 defence.
What I took umbrage with, was the fact that there is one rule for the public, and another for them.

You earnt your -1 karma well with that post.

PS: As it apparently isn't common sense, please, make sure you read the post you are replying to in future, it stops you looking like a clownshoe. And I don't want any 'it didn't interest me enough to read it' excuses, that would mean you were just skimming a thread, trolling randomly, and farming postcount. Bad Boy!
Define claywhoring so I may better understand where your coming from. As for servers that act as they do, shame on them. Dont play on there server anymore or shame on you.
Wraith
Member
+30|7061

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

did you happen to get any help inputting your cd-key?'

I was then banned with no input reason.
I think the insult might be the reason he banned you.  If you feel like commenting on an admin going against server rules then that's your call (although as server rule violations go, that's a pretty minor one), but to then insult the admin is just asking for a kick.  I'm not saying it's particularly justified, but how many times have we seen reports of power-abusing admins on this forum?

Wraith
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK
Claywhoring as I see it, is possibly better known as clayspamming.

If you could view every songle kill in a round, by each person, and you see someone with a vast amount of Claymore kills and very little else, that is a claywhore/clayspammer.

rawls wrote:

Its just not fair to those who use every weapon/tactic in the arsenal to play the game.
I don't really think you can call someone who farms most of his kills with claymores and a support buddy nearby, someone who uses every tactic.

Edit: And Wraith, I'm pretty damn sure that me doubting his smarts was what got me kicked (the ban hasn't been made perma yet, bah). But the point of that is, there was no 'I'm not claywhoring!' it was just 'your point?'. So people who enforce a rule not to do something, do it, and own up to doing it, but aren't savvy enough to see the connection, aren't being insulted when called thick. It's pretty much there in black and white..

Last edited by Foxhoundmgw (2006-04-23 05:17:28)

rawls
Banned
+11|7296|California, USA
OK I see you point about farming with a buddy. However, I see it as an oppurtunity to get two kills when I find those two bastards.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7291|Nårvei

Looks like a rant.

Just be happy they now only have two clays at a time.

And insulting an admin is never the smart choice for what ever reason u feel is justified, he`s admin, he sets the ruels - so as long as his ruels dont conflict with ROE u have to eat whatever he serves or go eat elsewhere, simple as that !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK

Varegg wrote:

Looks like a rant.

Just be happy they now only have two clays at a time.

And insulting an admin is never the smart choice for what ever reason u feel is justified, he`s admin, he sets the ruels - so as long as his ruels dont conflict with ROE u have to eat whatever he serves or go eat elsewhere, simple as that !
Might I suggest reading thoroughly?

You are like person #3 to mention insulting the admin, and I'm tired of explaining whats already posted, if your post is worth more than salt, you'll read and correct it.

But, as you mention it, I'll play as I see fit, if it doesn't sit well with a servers admin, I'll modify that, if the server admin serves something in violation of their own rules, damn right I'll play elsewhere.

I'm guessing if a waiter took a piss in your soup you'd meekly leave and eat somewhere else though.

I wouldn't.

Edit: By the way, I feel this needs saying so people stop going 'waa waah, sounds like a rant.
A: It's a complaint thread, the fact it ISN'T a rant as such is an anomaly, if you aren't looking for complaints and rants, why are you in this subforum? The one labelled... you know... Complaints.
B: I'm not above claywhoring myself if I need a badge, I just don't like it when Admin shit where they eat.

Last edited by Foxhoundmgw (2006-04-23 05:45:49)

rawls
Banned
+11|7296|California, USA
Foxhound has got a good point about this bieng a complaint thread. If you aint looking for beef dont be here. As for eating at a place with piss in my soup, i be sure to get my money back and some before I went somewhere else. :p
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7291|Nårvei

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Looks like a rant.

Just be happy they now only have two clays at a time.

And insulting an admin is never the smart choice for what ever reason u feel is justified, he`s admin, he sets the ruels - so as long as his ruels dont conflict with ROE u have to eat whatever he serves or go eat elsewhere, simple as that !
Might I suggest reading thoroughly?

You are like person #3 to mention insulting the admin, and I'm tired of explaining whats already posted, if your post is worth more than salt, you'll read and correct it.

But, as you mention it, I'll play as I see fit, if it doesn't sit well with a servers admin, I'll modify that, if the server admin serves something in violation of their own rules, damn right I'll play elsewhere.

I'm guessing if a waiter took a piss in your soup you'd meekly leave and eat somewhere else though.

I wouldn't.

Edit: By the way, I feel this needs saying so people stop going 'waa waah, sounds like a rant.
A: It's a complaint thread, the fact it ISN'T a rant as such is an anomaly, if you aren't looking for complaints and rants, why are you in this subforum? The one labelled... you know... Complaints.
B: I'm not above claywhoring myself if I need a badge, I just don't like it when Admin shit where they eat.
I read your post very thoroughly and am still of the same opinion, and reading your response where u quoted me just makes me all the more sure of that u was indeed the problem in that situation and that the admin had just cause when kicking u.

U have to learn that there is other opinions than your own and when making a post like this u must bear in mind that other opinions than your own will surface and in this case most dont agree with u.

About the soup youre right, i would first have kicked the waiters ass and then went to eat somewhere else ;-)

PS : And i get your drift, i just dont agree !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7128

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Well, I suggest you read things before you put finger to keyboard.

I have seen, ESOE admin/members telling people that claywhoring is NOT allowed on their server.
I see an ESOE member Claywhoring.
I comment on that fact.

I don't dislike claymores, and there is normally a way around clay whores and C4 defence.
What I took umbrage with, was the fact that there is one rule for the public, and another for them.

You earnt your -1 karma well with that post.

PS: As it apparently isn't common sense, please, make sure you read the post you are replying to in future, it stops you looking like a clownshoe. And I don't want any 'it didn't interest me enough to read it' excuses, that would mean you were just skimming a thread, trolling randomly, and farming postcount. Bad Boy!
Oh noes! You -1 karm'ed me for stating the obvious!!! Damn, I hope the admins don't ban me...

You ever think maybe I was defending you? In that servers cannot place rule restrictions on weapons...

Last edited by Ajax_the_Great1 (2006-04-23 11:22:02)

Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK

Varegg wrote:

About the soup youre right, i would first have kicked the waiters ass and then went to eat somewhere else ;-)

PS : And i get your drift, i just dont agree !
How don't you agree, when you just agreed with the soup analogy?

I verbally kicked his ass and went elsewhere.

Yes, I got banned, but do you think you wouldn't be asked to leave and not return for kicking the waiters ass?
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Oh noes! You -1 karm'ed me for stating the obvious!!! Damn, I hope the admins don't ban me...

You ever think maybe I was defending you? In that servers cannot place rule restrictions on weapons...
Oh noes! I'd have +1 Karmaed you if you hadn't latched onto 'Claymores' and then posted what you thought the issue was. Would you have whined/been sarcastic about that too? Thought not.

Once more, as it repeatedly seems to be missed.

I Claywhore Myself.
I don't give 2 shits about claywhoring.
I give a shit about a group saying 'you can't do XYZ or we kick you!' to people, and then a member of said group doing exactly what his group forbids others of doing on pain of kick.


How much more plainly can it be said?
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7291|Nårvei

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Varegg wrote:

About the soup youre right, i would first have kicked the waiters ass and then went to eat somewhere else ;-)

PS : And i get your drift, i just dont agree !
How don't you agree, when you just agreed with the soup analogy?

I verbally kicked his ass and went elsewhere.

Yes, I got banned, but do you think you wouldn't be asked to leave and not return for kicking the waiters ass?
Just stated i get your drift but i don`t agree - and peeing in my soup is a slightly bigger offence than claymorespamming, claymores are cuddly, a peeing waiter is just sick and evil and deserves a can of whoopass 8-)
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Foxhoundmgw
Man of Moebius Morals
+71|7061|Nottingham, UK
You don't get my drift mate.

I keep saying, I don't care that he clayspammed/claywhored.

I care that it's ok for him to clayspam, but non ESOE people have been told not to Claywhore by ESOE.

Rules should be rules, not rules applicable to everyone else. Thats called a Handicap.

If it was 'you can only use pistol and knife on this server' and he was using a PKM or whatever, you'd not be so confused (and yes, I know it's against ROE, so don't remind me, I used it as an example to get the whole claymore bugbear out of the way).
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7128

Foxhoundmgw wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Oh noes! You -1 karm'ed me for stating the obvious!!! Damn, I hope the admins don't ban me...

You ever think maybe I was defending you? In that servers cannot place rule restrictions on weapons...
Oh noes! I'd have +1 Karmaed you if you hadn't latched onto 'Claymores' and then posted what you thought the issue was. Would you have whined/been sarcastic about that too? Thought not.

Once more, as it repeatedly seems to be missed.

I Claywhore Myself.
I don't give 2 shits about claywhoring.
I give a shit about a group saying 'you can't do XYZ or we kick you!' to people, and then a member of said group doing exactly what his group forbids others of doing on pain of kick.


How much more plainly can it be said?
I hear that. I think we misunderstood each other.
EVIL_STYX
TANK WHORE
+62|7164|FIVE RIVERS OF HELL
EA's and DICE's ROE for RANKED servers and I quote:

§1.5 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server.

§1.6 Server administrators may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on roles or kits that players can use while on your server.

You know that would freakin piss me off to, if you make a restriction then you should have to live with it also. Kind of like those admins that ban you because you OWN there ass and they get all butt hurt cause your better then they are.

Anyway, I was going to say if you get real pissed just report them it is clearly stated that it is against the ROE to put any kind of restriction on any weapons. They will have there RANKED SERVER brought down to a unranked and they can make all the rules they want there!

EVIL_STYX OUT!

Last edited by EVIL_STYX (2006-04-23 23:56:14)

BVC
Member
+325|7177
Someone should start a server with a "no rifle-whores" rule, I wonder how long that would last!
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7176|Southern California
ESOE sucks but somebody using an effective weapon to get a lot of kills isn't "whoring."
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7128

Pubic wrote:

Someone should start a server with a "no rifle-whores" rule, I wonder how long that would last!
LOL, "You have been banned for using your gun"

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