Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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ruisleipa wrote:

Pubic wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:


I think you should learn yer history better yeah? No-one knows for sure who discovered them first. before the UK returned there in 1833 the yanks, Spanish and French all laid claim to them. The first settlement was established by a Frenchamn. So the claim that the islands have always been British is bollocks. I just hate remnants of British imperialism like this, and Gibraltar. For all I care they can go to Argentina, and the Rock to Spain. The idea of these littel islands in the south pacific being British is daft to me, and the fact we went to war for them and nearly a thousand died for them is just bonkers. But it's just my opinion.
A) You'll have to do better than a glorified "no, you're wrong"
B) They're in the south atlantic, not the south pacific.
A) Glorified what? You mean a reply with stuff like facts and dates and stuff yeah? Or if you have some hitherto unknown historical information rolling around please, tell us. Otherwise, whatever dude

b) yep my bad
The British were there before the Argentinians and have had an uninterrupted presence there. The people of the islands want to be British and even rejected bribes of hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the Argentinians for their consent to let Argentina rule the islands.

The people of the islands, who have been living there for generations, quite clearly don't want Argentinian rule, why should it be forced upon them?

Going to war to protect the rights and interests of your citizens doesn't seem remotely bonkers to me.
Cybargs
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Bertster7 wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Pubic wrote:


A) You'll have to do better than a glorified "no, you're wrong"
B) They're in the south atlantic, not the south pacific.
A) Glorified what? You mean a reply with stuff like facts and dates and stuff yeah? Or if you have some hitherto unknown historical information rolling around please, tell us. Otherwise, whatever dude

b) yep my bad
The British were there before the Argentinians and have had an uninterrupted presence there. The people of the islands want to be British and even rejected bribes of hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the Argentinians for their consent to let Argentina rule the islands.

The people of the islands, who have been living there for generations, quite clearly don't want Argentinian rule, why should it be forced upon them?

Going to war to protect the rights and interests of your citizens doesn't seem remotely bonkers to me.
I heard they didn't like military dictatorships as well.
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ghettoperson
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FEOS wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Unless some massive amount of oil is found I doubt anything will happen.

If it does the UK will get support from the US and every other NATO country while South America gets raped trying to support Argentina.
Obama has already said the US is "remaining neutral" about this. Fucking facepalm junior varsity foreign policy.
I have no idea how he can say that. It's not like there's any question as to who should be allowed control of the Falklands, and as a US ally you'd think the least they could do is say they're supporting us, even if they're not physically doing anything.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
damn brits.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6855|Tyne & Wear, England

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Unless some massive amount of oil is found I doubt anything will happen.

If it does the UK will get support from the US and every other NATO country while South America gets raped trying to support Argentina.
Obama has already said the US is "remaining neutral" about this. Fucking facepalm junior varsity foreign policy.
I have no idea how he can say that. It's not like there's any question as to who should be allowed control of the Falklands, and as a US ally you'd think the least they could do is say they're supporting us, even if they're not physically doing anything.
It looks like Obama couldn't give a toss about the US-UK relationship.

I can't say I'm bothered.
Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
religion of peace
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6973|SE London

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Unless some massive amount of oil is found I doubt anything will happen.

If it does the UK will get support from the US and every other NATO country while South America gets raped trying to support Argentina.
Obama has already said the US is "remaining neutral" about this. Fucking facepalm junior varsity foreign policy.
I have no idea how he can say that. It's not like there's any question as to who should be allowed control of the Falklands, and as a US ally you'd think the least they could do is say they're supporting us, even if they're not physically doing anything.
Yeah - at least Reagan gave us missiles....
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
why dont you guys just stay back on your own island?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6973|SE London

11 Bravo wrote:

why dont you guys just stay back on your own island?
We do (these days).

But we ask people on the islands we used to have if they want to be British, independent or belong to someone else - then we support the decision of the people there. They are British citizens and will remain as such until they choose not to be.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
god save the queen
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6877|England

Switch wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

FEOS wrote:


Obama has already said the US is "remaining neutral" about this. Fucking facepalm junior varsity foreign policy.
I have no idea how he can say that. It's not like there's any question as to who should be allowed control of the Falklands, and as a US ally you'd think the least they could do is say they're supporting us, even if they're not physically doing anything.
It looks like Obama couldn't give a toss about the US-UK relationship.

I can't say I'm bothered.
I bet he'd be bothered if we pulled out of Afghanistan.

All the British soldiers who have died supporting the US in Irag and Afghanistan and when we need support they stab us in the back, Fuck obama
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
scuse me but i thought this is what people (euros mainly) wanted obama to do?

fuck you got me defending obama
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7013|London, England
You'd think he'd at least give diplomatic support and all that. It's kinda stupid really. At the end of the day you only have the people in charge over here to blame. They're the one's that follow the US/Israel into all sorts of stupid shit without getting anything in return, they're the one's being messed around by USA and shit. It's upto our people to tell the USA to fuck off if it's gonna act like it does, and not for us to actually bitch and say "I thought we were friends"
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6877|England

Mekstizzle wrote:

You'd think he'd at least give diplomatic support and all that. It's kinda stupid really. At the end of the day you only have the people in charge over here to blame. They're the one's that follow the US/Israel into all sorts of stupid shit without getting anything in return, they're the one's being messed around by USA and shit. It's upto our people to tell the USA to fuck off if it's gonna act like it does, and not for us to actually bitch and say "I thought we were friends"
100 % mate, I'm sick of turning on the news and seeing more British soldiers dead , people i knew and a couple of freinds and for what?

Fuckin Gordon brown, fuck Obama and fuck this coalition.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7108

LostFate wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

You'd think he'd at least give diplomatic support and all that. It's kinda stupid really. At the end of the day you only have the people in charge over here to blame. They're the one's that follow the US/Israel into all sorts of stupid shit without getting anything in return, they're the one's being messed around by USA and shit. It's upto our people to tell the USA to fuck off if it's gonna act like it does, and not for us to actually bitch and say "I thought we were friends"
100 % mate, I'm sick of turning on the news and seeing more British soldiers dead , people i knew and a couple of freinds and for what?

Fuckin Gordon brown, fuck Obama and fuck this coalition.
Not like they were conscripts...
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Mekstizzle
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+3,611|7013|London, England
Still doesn't mean you can't voice displeasure in the way the government uses the military, just because it's professional/non-conscript. Bit of a lame argument.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7108

Mekstizzle wrote:

Still doesn't mean you can't voice displeasure in the way the government uses the military, just because it's professional/non-conscript. Bit of a lame argument.
You can be against the war all you want, but just don't bitch if a person that you know signed up and got sent over. It's like bitching about how your company might move you to another city and you bitch about it. I mean you have to prepare for shit like this and we've been at war for almost 11 years. Not surprising if you sign up that you'll get sent.

Oh and Obama wasn't the one who started the whole shabang.
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LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6877|England

Cybargs wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Still doesn't mean you can't voice displeasure in the way the government uses the military, just because it's professional/non-conscript. Bit of a lame argument.
You can be against the war all you want, but just don't bitch if a person that you know signed up and got sent over. It's like bitching about how your company might move you to another city and you bitch about it. I mean you have to prepare for shit like this and we've been at war for almost 11 years. Not surprising if you sign up that you'll get sent.

Oh and Obama wasn't the one who started the whole shabang.
Obama is the one not supporting us in the falklands which is where this started, and don't you dare tell me i can't bitch about my mates getting killed you fucktard.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio
honestly fate what does afghan have to do with this?
LostFate
Same shit, Different Arsehole
+95|6877|England

11 Bravo wrote:

honestly fate what does afghan have to do with this?
I was just making a point about the support the UK gives to the US yet does not recieve any in return, ie the Falkands.

Last edited by LostFate (2010-03-02 09:55:04)

11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio

LostFate wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

honestly fate what does afghan have to do with this?
I was just making a point about the support the UK gives to the US yet does not recieve any in return, ie the Falkands.
and i am just saying thats what a shit ton of people around the world wanted obama to do with US policy.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7013|London, England

11 Bravo wrote:

honestly fate what does afghan have to do with this?
the fact that the UK will support/die for the US in things such as afghanistan/iraq etc.. yet the US doesn't seem to do anything when the tables turn so to speak..

thought that was pretty obvious

Like I'm saying, it's more of the fault of the UK government... that shit like that happens, though.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5629|Cleveland, Ohio

Mekstizzle wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

honestly fate what does afghan have to do with this?
the fact that the UK will support/die for the US in things such as afghanistan/iraq etc.. yet the US doesn't seem to do anything when the tables turn so to speak..

thought that was pretty obvious

Like I'm saying, it's more of the fault of the UK government... that shit like that happens, though.
well go invade argentina then you can speak if the US doesnt help.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5750|London, England

11 Bravo wrote:

scuse me but i thought this is what people (euros mainly) wanted obama to do?

fuck you got me defending obama
Nobel Prize etc.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7013|London, England
It's not about that, but it would be interesting to see what would happen if Argentina decided to invade the Falklands again, whether the US would help or not. Can't recall much help last time that happened

The fact that he/they're deciding to stay neutral on it all is the silliest thing, basically what FEOS said. I can understand if the US does that when it comes to other situations in the world, but not when it comes to arguably its biggest ally

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