the engineer weapons

2006-04-25 10:36:16

#1

stef: Member; +-6|7219

for a couple of days i have played as an engineer and one thing strikes me very hard and that is that the weapons suck so much that it is unbelievable. and how can an engineer survive at long combat when he only has close combat weapons and they suck too. i meet a guy in close combat hes 5 meters away and i have to strike 4 times before he dies and i saw that every shot flew into his torso right in the middle. why cant he not just get an ordinary assault rifle.

Last edited by stef (2006-04-25 10:37:52)

2006-04-25 10:37:36

#2

notorious: Nay vee, bay bee.; +1,396|7218|The United Center

are you high? the pump shotty is insane. its probably my favorite weapon in the game. also, the mp7 is actually a pretty good smg.

also, am i the only one who finds your signature to be hypocritical/ironic?

Last edited by ThomasMorgan (2006-04-25 10:38:07)

2006-04-25 10:39:27

#3

stef: Member; +-6|7219

i see it as an useless weapon and my friends think that too. i want an assault rifle EA. no others think that my signature is ironic too.

Last edited by stef (2006-04-25 10:41:23)

2006-04-25 10:41:58

#4

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|7133|USA

Single-pump is THE shit! Jackhammer IS shit! MP7 isn't bad at all. I'd take the MP7 for the AT's machine gun any day of the week.

As an engineer on the PLA/USA...single-pump is the only weapon you need to know about. Get good with the pistol as eng also.

edit:

The eng's weapons are close combat because that is when an eng engages the enemy. (supposed to)

Eng is NOT assault....though I can walk through the alleys of Karkand and own with the single-pump.....

Just don't expect to have 200 point games and such as if you were assault.

Remember thier primary role is defense and to be around vehicles....grab a LAV/T90/BTR-90 or whatever and go own....repair as needed. When you die...spawn at the vehicles.

Last edited by Mason4Assassin444 (2006-04-25 10:46:41)

2006-04-25 10:47:38

#5

stef: Member; +-6|7219

how would you like if you meet a guy with a G36E 20 meters away and the only thing you have got is a 92fs beretta and you can only hit with one shot per 2 seconds and you have to hit him 7 times. i see a dead engineer. mp7 is good enough sometimes but it can easily stink.

2006-04-25 10:52:45

#6

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|7133|USA

stef wrote:
how would you like if you meet a guy with a G36E 20 meters away and the only thing you have got is a 92fs beretta and you can only hit with one shot per 2 seconds and you have to hit him 7 times. i see a dead engineer. mp7 is good enough sometimes but it can easily stink.

My suggestion,

RUN AWAY!!! You are an engineer...not assault....not AT.....not spec-ops.....

Work around it. Run around to cover and lure him closer. He'll chase....I promise. Light him up with single-pump.

Just for the record.....I have had some 1-shot miracle single-pump kills on me many times. It has a bit of range to it....

But the G36E is one of the best guns in the game and your eng has no armor......so poor comparison anyway. Hard to win that one.

2006-04-25 10:52:52

#7

MrE`158: Member; +103|7094

Well, think about it this way: The engineer isn't meant to be running around getting into gunfights.

If your opponent has an assault rifle, you should reply with a .30cal. If he's got a rocket launcher, respond with a 120mm cannon. In other words, get in a vehicle. The whole point of the engineer kit is that you can keep your machinery running long after others have to abandon them.

For example, if you get in a tank duel, it's likely that if you win you've still taken a hit or two, and your tank is on the verge of falling apart. Now, if you're a Sniper, you probably need to abandon the tank and head off on foot. Not so if you're an engineer, you just jump out, apply the magic wrench and hop back in to continue the killing.

The only time an engineer needs to have his gun out is when some red-capped lunatic runs up behind you and starts duct-taping high explosives to your rear end. That's when you jump out and nail him with your designed-for-extremely-close-combat weaponry. You don't need range, you just need to be able to kill someone who's right beside you.

And if for some reason you want to play as engineer without using vehicles, well, the above comments are all accurate, the shotguns are lethal up close, you just need to be clever about things. And don't forget that you've got grenades too. Plus, there's always the pistol badges to earn. Oh, and you've got landmines too, dontcha'know. Very handy.

So, loads of useful options there, quit complaining and go fix some armour!

2006-04-25 10:58:02

#8

stef: Member; +-6|7219

ok know i see some sense in what you guys are saying but to me the weapons suck to much in close combat. i have to hit a guy up 4 times and thats unreal. if its under a range of 10 meters 2 shots should finish them off.

2006-04-25 11:01:05

#9

Mason4Assassin444: retired; +552|7133|USA

stef wrote:
ok know i see some sense in what you guys are saying but to me the weapons suck to much in close combat. i have to hit a guy up 4 times and thats unreal. if its under a range of 10 meters 2 shots should finish them off.

No offense brother....but if it takes 4 shots with the single-pump in CQC....there are much larger forcces working against you friend.

2006-04-25 11:07:38

#10

MrE`158: Member; +103|7094

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
stef wrote:
ok know i see some sense in what you guys are saying but to me the weapons suck to much in close combat. i have to hit a guy up 4 times and thats unreal. if its under a range of 10 meters 2 shots should finish them off.
No offense brother....but if it takes 4 shots with the single-pump in CQC....there are much larger forcces working against you friend.

Yeah, seriously, that's a problem. Are you sure you're actually hitting? 4 shotgun blasts should deal with anybody from that kind of range. (Pretty sure four SMG rounds won't, though, Damage 19 requires a shit-load of hits to kill someone, especially if they have armour).

2006-04-25 11:13:20

#11

deject: Got His War On; +37|7245|Golden, CO

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Run around to cover and lure him closer. He'll chase....I promise. Light him up with single-pump.

This is the best way to stay alive. If you're using your guns at anything beyond close range you're asking to get wasted. You have to either draw them in towards you or find a way to advance on them so that your weapons are in their effective range.

2006-04-25 11:16:13

#12

notorious: Nay vee, bay bee.; +1,396|7218|The United Center

stef wrote:
how would you like if you meet a guy with a G36E 20 meters away and the only thing you have got is a 92fs beretta and you can only hit with one shot per 2 seconds and you have to hit him 7 times. i see a dead engineer. mp7 is good enough sometimes but it can easily stink.

thats like saying that snipers should get shotguns because snipers suck in close quarters combat.

if you want a long range class, then dont choose engineer. its that simple. in close range though, engineers own. if its taking you four shots to kill someone with a pump shotty, youre doing something wrong.

2006-04-25 12:54:50

#13

Fschwang: Member; +10|7184|Isle of Man, next to England.

Are you talking about Pump action or Semi-Auto? If you're MEC and using the S12K it should take about 3 upper torso hits. Though you did say something about the 92FS which leads me to believe you're talking about the pump action shotguns being bad.Perhaps you were having a bad day with latency? Sounds ridiculous but it can happen. When it does it can royally screw up a CQB weapon too.

Perhaps you've really, really upset DICE?

2006-04-25 12:56:43

#14

Yeticus Rex: Destroyer of Penguins; +29|7131|SoCal

An engineer should never run from building to building or alleyways or down the main drag......they should be DRIVING any damn vehicle they can get their hands on! They should only get out of the vehicle to drop mines, fix their own vehicle or resupply their mines, health, shells, whatever. Your vehicle IS the weapon!

Stef.......don't put an engineer in that situation in the first place!

Last edited by Yeticus Rex (2006-04-25 12:57:51)

2006-04-25 17:45:55

#15

arnica: Member; +18|7151|Sydney

Single pump pwns!!!!

Ebngies are not heir to kill, they're there to provide support.

2006-04-25 17:55:56

#16

polarbearz: Raiders of the Lost Bear; +-1,474|7260|Singapore

What's wrong with the Mp7 anyway. it owns the P90 upside down ANY day.

Kickass rate of fire, decent damage, decent deviation.

2006-04-25 22:31:04

#17

deject: Got His War On; +37|7245|Golden, CO

polarbearz wrote:
What's wrong with the Mp7 anyway. it owns the P90 upside down ANY day.

Kickass rate of fire, decent damage, decent deviation.

well now the only difference between the MP7 and P90 are the 10 bullets, the scope, and the reload time.

2006-04-25 23:59:36

#18

ThePriest1750: Tank commander; +83|7206|DUTCH snap ik!

i also agreed the engi needs beter weapons for long range but i also say that the shotty Pwnzz monkey asses but i really think they also need a long range weapon and not all shotty's exept mp7 that a cool gun x

2006-04-26 00:08:50

#19

RGB|Apocalypse: Member; +1|7232

The Shotty ROX UR SOX!

If the enemy is far away, get close. If not, grenade. I don't understand why people would want their weapon to be nuclear-grade devices...

2006-04-26 00:17:43

#20

ComradeWho: Member; +50|7166|Southern California

this is one of the few weapons complaints that i think has any validity.
if the engineer had a competitive weapon we'd see a lot more of them on the battlefield. there's no reason for the engineer to have a crappy gun.. it's not like the wrench/mines are such great features that to compensate for it you have to give the engineer the worst guns. Give them an m16 or an AK and let them compete just like all the other classes and add their wrench to front-line combat the same way medics add their medipacks.

Last edited by ComradeWho (2006-04-26 00:18:21)

2006-04-26 00:48:09

#21

YoBabysDaddy: Member; +31|7295|St. Louis, MO

While the pump shotgun is the better of the two,the MP7 is the only real choice for me.Having a weapon that can kill at somewhat of a distance comes in handy.
Considering the engineer has mines that can take out any armor with just one,it's kinda an even tradeoff.Not to mention the longest sprint distance of any class.

2006-04-26 00:55:58

#22

ComradeWho: Member; +50|7166|Southern California

YoBabysDaddy wrote:
While the pump shotgun is the better of the two,the MP7 is the only real choice for me.Having a weapon that can kill at somewhat of a distance comes in handy.
Considering the engineer has mines that can take out any armor with just one,it's kinda an even tradeoff.Not to mention the longest sprint distance of any class.

yes the engineer kit is very competitive.. which is why we see so many of them in-game..

2006-04-26 01:08:32

#23

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7281|Nårvei

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Single-pump is THE shit! Jackhammer IS shit! MP7 isn't bad at all. I'd take the MP7 for the AT's machine gun any day of the week.

As an engineer on the PLA/USA...single-pump is the only weapon you need to know about. Get good with the pistol as eng also.

edit:

The eng's weapons are close combat because that is when an eng engages the enemy. (supposed to)

Eng is NOT assault....though I can walk through the alleys of Karkand and own with the single-pump.....

Just don't expect to have 200 point games and such as if you were assault.

Remember thier primary role is defense and to be around vehicles....grab a LAV/T90/BTR-90 or whatever and go own....repair as needed. When you die...spawn at the vehicles.

Righty, if u want an assult rifle - play assult, the engy is a genius kit to play if u use it right, i find the Jackhammer to be one of the better close combat weapons so in crowded citymaps it ownes.

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2006-04-26 01:28:11

#24

CoconutBlitz: I've had the diarrheas since Easters; +145|7061|California U.S.A

stef wrote:
ok know i see some sense in what you guys are saying but to me the weapons suck to much in close combat. i have to hit a guy up 4 times and thats unreal. if its under a range of 10 meters 2 shots should finish them off.

Those Pump Shotguns have 8 pellets per Shell that shoot out each time you sqeeze the trigger each pellet in that shell does 25 damage a full health is 100 it's just a matter of putting those shots on target. If your skilled enough to always place a shot near the neck/head area you will always win in a close gun fight.

Just go onto any map and aim at a wall upclose and see the spread of the shot and notice how when you get farther away it widens.

There is no other weapon i would want if I knew someone was running around that corner.

And that MP7 is a really good submachine gun too

Keep practicing.

I know I'm not that skilled either but as far as a one hit kill gun that pump shotgun is fantastic really good for shooting Heli's too if your close enough.

Last edited by Seal 3 (2006-04-26 01:42:03)

2006-04-26 02:47:29

#25

Kontrolfreq: Member; +50|7076|Cambridge UK

I see both points, I once tried (stupidly) getting into firefights with the single pump... i learnt that lesson pretty fast! It's like the sniper class, which i play most, i wouldn't try take on a group of guys running at me with my rifle, i'll go hide round a corner and 9-10 they'll follow you (people are stupid).

Think of the shotty as you would a claymore, only with a manual trigger.... BoooMM!

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