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The "answer" is a kit that includes shoulder-fired AA missles, ala BF:V, so the jet whores and attack choppers can't memorize the location(s) and bomb / rocket the fixed defenses on their first pass . . .

There are a minority of talented and teamplay-oriented individuals that fly close support when requested, and will press an attack against a team objective regardless of "personal risk". I appreciate these guys as a Commander or team member, and grudgingly respect them as a potential victim - but they are the exception.

Note that most pilots (except those already mentioned) run like scared rabbits as soon as they've taken about 50% damage (since they're afraid to lose their "ride"), and typically play as Lone Wolves prowling for easy targets (only joining a Squad so they won't get auto-switched for Team Balance). For these people, the battle environment should be full of nearly constant "Tone Locks" and potential threats so that they can't just casually dump some flares or pull a loop now and then, and still con themselves into thinking they're 1337 pilots . . .

I do pretty well at Air Defense, to the point that it usually takes an Arty strike or a combined bombing / helo assault to get both me and the emplacement neutralized. It's amusing to note how quickly the airspace around my chosen defense position gets real "vacant" after 3 or 4 of these "Aces" get slapped out of the sky; but it doesn't take long for the opposing team to wise up and start crapping bombs / arty on every fixed AA emplacement in retaliation.

Make it so you really have to want to be a pilot, and need to learn some tactics and teamplay to stay aloft for awhile, instead of relying on a good joystick with the sensitivity settings cranked up. Pilots shouldn't automatically know where every potential threat is located before they even take off.

Last edited by T1mbrW0lf (2005-10-19 14:21:19)

T1mbrW0lf wrote:

I do pretty well at Air Defense, to the point that it usually takes an Arty strike or a combined bombing / helo assault to get both me and the emplacement neutralized. It's amusing to note how quickly the airspace around my chosen defense position gets real "vacant" after 3 or 4 of these "Aces" get slapped out of the sky; but it doesn't take long for the opposing team to wise up and start crapping bombs / arty on every fixed AA emplacement in retaliation.

Make it so you really have to want to be a pilot, and need to learn some tactics and teamplay to stay aloft for awhile, instead of relying on a good joystick with the sensitivity settings cranked up. Pilots shouldn't automatically know where every potential threat is located before they even take off.

Get in my games man! I usually have to scream at people for 20 minutes of us getting obliterated by aircraft, before any kind of anti air network will get set up. People just dont like doing air defense. But I agree with the post below you, that with the current visibility its usually impossible for me to get a lock fast enough, and given airplane flares to get a decent shot off. Depends on the map, but many AA turrents have obscured view, many times I've put missiles into the trees next to me. Man I showed those palm trees what's up!

Dizazter wrote:

Get in my games man! I usually have to scream at people for 20 minutes of us getting obliterated by aircraft, before any kind of anti air network will get set up. People just dont like doing air defense.

I'll be looking for you - and I feel the same frustration at times.

As a Squad Leader, I'm constantly reminding my people: "I don't care if all you have left is your pistol - SHOOT THE AIRCRAFT AND CHOPPERS!" A half-dozen people can do an amazing amount of damage to aircraft / heli's with only small arms fire if they're all shooting at once; and even if we don't get a "kill" the plane / 'copter usually breaks off any attack (and doesn't come back anymore, either).

Last edited by T1mbrW0lf (2005-10-20 12:49:57)

i agree with timberwolf.  since they sped up the missiles from AA (both mobile and stationary) it's much easier to take down these so called aces.  Mobile AA is deadly if you use it right.  First it's not for ground pounding, and should only be 'forced' into ground action when being attacked.  Second it's not a taxi to get you to that APC or Tank at another base.  Leave them where they spawn for people who know how to use them, or try to put them to use correctly.  Third if you really want to learn how to use one, here's a couple tips : don't sit in a large open area where you are easy to spot (hide among some buildings or trees...trees are your friends), get your lock early and fire a missile (or two if in mobile AA) into the pilots face, save the second (or remaining two) until he blows overhead dropping his measures.  you should be able to get another lock fast enough to rip the rest of your missiles off at him. 

Happy hunting...here's a friend of mine who is absolutely nasty in AA http://bf2s.com/player/46961517/

In the past few days, I've noticed my 'skill' in a jet almost double.  I've been going 41-0, 55-2, and almost all of those kills are from ground targets.  I think I've been shot down by a stinger once or twice in the past few days.  Doesn't happen often.

I find jets almost indestructible. I saw jets die 2 ways in my entire BF2 carreer.

A) The got shot down by another Jet

B) They flew into a mountain.

Get rid of the jets!

Yeah I try to use AA in Wake Island, it is reasonable effective against Choppers, but still useless against Planes, they move twice as fast as the AA trying to get them..  It just doesn't seem right.

I read the effective AA thread and that helped me a lot in my competency with AA.  But those Bloody planes.....

@Donnyboy:
Yep. Helis were a bitch back then also but at least you had something you could shoot them with.
Planes you will still probably never hit as they are way to fast for anything unless they are flying in your direction.

I will hit them trust me. Managen to shoot a jet with an apc missile (ok only twice)..
but still me luvd dem  stinngers....

T1mbrW0lf wrote:

WormGuts wrote:

Mobile AA is deadly if you use it right.  First it's not for ground pounding, and should only be 'forced' into ground action when being attacked.  Second it's not a taxi to get you to that APC or Tank at another base.  Leave them where they spawn for people who know how to use them, or try to put them to use correctly.  Third if you really want to learn how to use one, here's a couple tips : don't sit in a large open area where you are easy to spot (hide among some buildings or trees...trees are your friends), get your lock early and fire a missile (or two if in mobile AA) into the pilots face, save the second (or remaining two) until he blows overhead dropping his measures.  you should be able to get another lock fast enough to rip the rest of your missiles off at him.

All good tips - and here's a few more:

The operative term in "mobile AA" is MOBILE!

After you've engaged a target, successfully or otherwise, MOVE TO A NEW DEFENSIVE POSITION. Don't remain in the same location thinking "This is a good spot" (now that your intended victim knows about it?); and don't return to the same location for awhile. "Shoot and Scoot" applies to Snipers, APC's, and Mobile AA - If you want to remain alive long enough to make a difference. Above all, don't remain in place and duel  1 vs 1 with attack choppers - learn to drive evasively and maintain a "missle lock" at the same time by planning in advance where you'll engage your targets, and drive a "racetrack pattern" using existing obstacles for cover.

Note that many of the maps have garages / warehouses that you can drive into (and shoot from); and that many of them are located where you can cover CP's or track sircraft returning to their base for reload / repairs.

Won't matter for some with 'skill'.
Last time on the oilrefinery map (with the 4 oil silos) I was hiding with the AA in the trees and the guy still found me. On his first pass. He knew were I was even before I saw him.

HG_TheTank wrote:

T1mbrW0lf wrote:

WormGuts wrote:

Mobile AA is deadly if you use it right.  First it's not for ground pounding, and should only be 'forced' into ground action when being attacked.  Second it's not a taxi to get you to that APC or Tank at another base.  Leave them where they spawn for people who know how to use them, or try to put them to use correctly.  Third if you really want to learn how to use one, here's a couple tips : don't sit in a large open area where you are easy to spot (hide among some buildings or trees...trees are your friends), get your lock early and fire a missile (or two if in mobile AA) into the pilots face, save the second (or remaining two) until he blows overhead dropping his measures.  you should be able to get another lock fast enough to rip the rest of your missiles off at him.

All good tips - and here's a few more:

The operative term in "mobile AA" is MOBILE!

After you've engaged a target, successfully or otherwise, MOVE TO A NEW DEFENSIVE POSITION. Don't remain in the same location thinking "This is a good spot" (now that your intended victim knows about it?); and don't return to the same location for awhile. "Shoot and Scoot" applies to Snipers, APC's, and Mobile AA - If you want to remain alive long enough to make a difference. Above all, don't remain in place and duel  1 vs 1 with attack choppers - learn to drive evasively and maintain a "missle lock" at the same time by planning in advance where you'll engage your targets, and drive a "racetrack pattern" using existing obstacles for cover.

Note that many of the maps have garages / warehouses that you can drive into (and shoot from); and that many of them are located where you can cover CP's or track sircraft returning to their base for reload / repairs.

Won't matter for some with 'skill'.
Last time on the oilrefinery map (with the 4 oil silos) I was hiding with the AA in the trees and the guy still found me. On his first pass. He knew were I was even before I saw him.

i bet he 'knew' where you were because the enemy commander spotted you for the pilot (i do this often as a CO for my pilots), or because he had an UAV over your head.   

which brings up another question...why can't i shoot down an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle?