http://torrentfreak.com/is-piracy-reall … no-100418/Winston_Churchill wrote:
http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government- … cy-100413/Winston_Churchill wrote:
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
http://p2ptalk.org/2010/04/mpaa-and-ria … ice-state/- The public would be encouraged to install anti-piracy software on their computers which would monitor their network for copyright-infringing materials. They are most likely referring to the Digital File Check application that they’ve been plugging for a while.
- Internet service providers would have to allow third parties to spy on the files that are transferred by their customers and check them against a reference database of “fingerprints” to check whether the files are infringing copyright or not.
- Torrent sites and file-hosters would have to preemptively filter content that is uploaded to or indexed by their sites. The reasoning behind this suggestion is that the regular notice and takedown procedures are time consuming and ineffective because content quickly reappears.
- Search engines, hosting companies, payment processors, advertising agencies, social networking sites and domain registrars would be encouraged to team up with copyright holders in order to prevent online piracy. The purpose of this collaboration would be to cut off sites that ‘facilitate’ copyright infringement.
- Consumers and websites that repeatedly infringe on the rights of copyright holders would lose their Internet access.
Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2010-04-19 06:41:43)
no, i don't feel sorry for them. stealing is still stealing - no need to make yourself feel better if you*re swiping content from the internets.Winston_Churchill wrote:
Anyone feel sorry for the big record companies that are swimming in money, cry about losing profit yet consistently make more money year after year?
For one, its not stealing. Pirating != Stealing. I'm not saying its morally perfect, but its not stealing.burnzz wrote:
no, i don't feel sorry for them. stealing is still stealing - no need to make yourself feel better if you*re swiping content from the internets.Winston_Churchill wrote:
Anyone feel sorry for the big record companies that are swimming in money, cry about losing profit yet consistently make more money year after year?
Given the general quality of the music that is being churned out?Winston_Churchill wrote:
Anyone feel sorry for the big record companies that are swimming in money, cry about losing profit yet consistently make more money year after year?
I have many TBs of content, I have no problem with admitting that. However, I see nearly every good (or even semi-good) movie in theatres, thats supporting them more than enough in my opinion. I still watch TV shows on TV, buy movies I love and get CDs I like. It also shouldnt cost me $40-50 for a DVD/BluRay.burnzz wrote:
how many terabytes of content doyouhave/havepaidfor ?
look, i got into Napster back in the day, and i snatched a few items before it was shut down. i like watching movies on my PC. i may have some productivity apps and even on OS that did not originally come pre-installed with my PC. what i'm saying, is please don't assume the role of martyr when you have bragged about the terabytes of content that you haven't paid for. make full disclosure - don't act like you*re guiltless of the behaviour the MPAA and RIAA are trying to end.
Last edited by Winston_Churchill (2010-04-19 07:20:41)
Thats missing the easiest ways for them to make money, concerts and merchandise. Nothing of that goes to the recording studio.
?Winston_Churchill wrote:
For one, its not stealing. Pirating != Stealing. I'm not saying its morally perfect, but its not stealing.
stealing
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
both involve taking what is not rightfully yours.... so...Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-rə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural pi·ra·cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratēs pirate
Date: 1537
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signal
Stealing is removing the object from the person(s) possession.Morpheus wrote:
?Winston_Churchill wrote:
For one, its not stealing. Pirating != Stealing. I'm not saying its morally perfect, but its not stealing.
How so?stealing
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practiceboth involve taking what is not rightfully yours.... so...Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-rə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural pi·ra·cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratēs pirate
Date: 1537
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signal
Ok, so, stealing is only a reference to physical objects? Tangible things?Finray wrote:
Stealing is removing the object from the person(s) possession.Morpheus wrote:
?Winston_Churchill wrote:
For one, its not stealing. Pirating != Stealing. I'm not saying its morally perfect, but its not stealing.
How so?stealing
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practiceboth involve taking what is not rightfully yours.... so...Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-rə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural pi·ra·cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratēs pirate
Date: 1537
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signal
File sharing Piracy is copying the object and distributing that copy.
so then stealing only applies to the physical, tangible objects? You can't steal ideas? You can't steal the work someone put into something?Finray wrote:
No, that's fraud.
You copied their idea. You didn't remove it from their brain. The term "he stole my idea" is just a turn of phrase. Technically, you're copying it.Morpheus wrote:
so then stealing only applies to the physical, tangible objects? You can't steal ideas? You can't steal the work someone put into something?Finray wrote:
No, that's fraud.
ah, i see. it's the linguistic difference.Finray wrote:
You copied their idea. You didn't remove it from their brain. The term "he stole my idea" is just a turn of phrase. Technically, you're copying it.Morpheus wrote:
so then stealing only applies to the physical, tangible objects? You can't steal ideas? You can't steal the work someone put into something?Finray wrote:
No, that's fraud.
Indeed.Morpheus wrote:
ah, i see. it's the linguistic difference.Finray wrote:
You copied their idea. You didn't remove it from their brain. The term "he stole my idea" is just a turn of phrase. Technically, you're copying it.Morpheus wrote:
so then stealing only applies to the physical, tangible objects? You can't steal ideas? You can't steal the work someone put into something?
It can be, but is not restricted to that. Definitions of what is stealing are broad and to claim that internet piracy is not stealing is just silly.Finray wrote:
Stealing is removing the object from the person(s) possession.Morpheus wrote:
?Winston_Churchill wrote:
For one, its not stealing. Pirating != Stealing. I'm not saying its morally perfect, but its not stealing.
How so?stealing
Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \ˈstēl\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \ˈstōl\; sto·len \ˈstō-lən\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century
intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practiceboth involve taking what is not rightfully yours.... so...Main Entry: pi·ra·cy
Pronunciation: \ˈpī-rə-sē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural pi·ra·cies
Etymology: Medieval Latin piratia, from Late Greek peirateia, from Greek peiratēs pirate
Date: 1537
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 a : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright b : the illicit accessing of broadcast signal
File sharing Piracy is copying the object and distributing that copy.
Unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another persons property (a mens rea of dishonesty just means they haven't done it because they don't have the mental faculty to realise they shouldn't - children, mental people etc.). Intellectual Property is still property.The actus reus of theft is usually defined as an unauthorised taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use.
No - it isn't. He's just using a very limited definition, when in fact definitions, even purely legal definitions, of stealing are very broad.Morpheus wrote:
ah, i see. it's the linguistic difference.Finray wrote:
You copied their idea. You didn't remove it from their brain. The term "he stole my idea" is just a turn of phrase. Technically, you're copying it.Morpheus wrote:
so then stealing only applies to the physical, tangible objects? You can't steal ideas? You can't steal the work someone put into something?
Last edited by Bertster7 (2010-04-19 11:28:17)
It doesn't matter about legal definitions, what matters is the meaning in the English language - which is what we are using. I drew on legal definitions, since they are usually more specific.CapnNismo wrote:
Actually Bertster, it really does depend on what country and legal system you are arguing the point under. For instance, under Austrian and German law, data is not considered a tangible object that can be "stolen" (under the German definition of theft). So you really need to adjust the argument to the legal system. I'm not disagreeing with you, however, that downloading music/movies/programs/whatever is illegal. You did not pay for it and it goes beyond lending/giving the work or even a copy of said work to a friend.
