E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7159|UK
It probably won't make any difference but you never know. No harm in trying.

Ok, this is my first post and probably going to be my last. As I'm only trying to get one point across.

First off, do EA even listen to this community? (this being the forums on bf2) I suggest they get people to look through forums such as BF2s.com and any other good bf2 website and look at what people are saying.

The nerfing of the blackhawk - Out of all the posts and threads I've read, I don't remember ONE POST where they said the nerfing of the blackhawk was a good thing. Wake Island has become incredibly unbalanced now because of the improved AA, the reduction of the armour the BH and the crappy firepower. If anything, they should have given the MEC/PLA chopper more power.

Sure, the BH was a powerhouse, but I found less people complaining about how powerful the BH than there are now people complaining about how crap the BH is - What the majority wants is to bring back the BH power and increase the MEC/PLA choppers power

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=22263&p=1
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=19937&p=1

Two different threads about the BH guns.

Squad Hopping no longer going to happen - A lot of experianced BF2 players know this is an important tactic. It makes the game quicker and saves you having to take a hike from the nearest spawn point. Did enought people actually complain about this to make it an issuse? I really don't think so.

I often use squad hopping to quickly get back in the battle and help my team out. Now I'm going to be running a few hundered yards, when my team could need an anti tank or engineer ect but the closest one is few hundered yards behind and by the time he gets there it's too late.

Looking on the first page of this forum, I see two polls asking if squad hopping should be stopped or not - both with the "no" option winning - http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=22179 - another one


Vehicle drops - WTF? Why was this even considered? Why not concentrate on fixing the known issues, fix the unbalance of the J-10 versus the other jets, Fix the Eurofighters handling and fix the damn bugs before adding a feature that will probably add more bugs.

EA should start listening to US and not the 12 year olds that cry because they get killed more than they kill.

It looks to me that EA are catering for the noobs. They spend more time reading emails from privates that read "omgzz EA please fix the game i keep getting killed!!!!" instead of reading the forums where mature players who know and understand the game and know exactly what it takes to make a good bf2 experience.

I love bf2, 387 hours since december 21st, I built a new computer just to play this game - but now EA/Dice seem like they are destroying what was once a great creation
$kelet0r
Member
+16|7153
Heh i read it there before here
I prefer to wait and see
Chou
Member
+737|7262
True I was a gunner on the BH the other day and some MEC was just staring at me as I tried to shoot his head off at a distance of 5 feet away, it's just ludacris, it has NO power at all anymore!
.ACB|_Cutthroat1
No place like 127.0.0.1
+76|7166|Gold Coast,QLD,Australia
Check (ARK)DJJeffro 's stats he has 55000 kills in helis (all from bh whorin on wake) i dont know if anyone else did this in diff countries but what he did was fill up the back of the bh with engies, 1 gunner as medic (2nd seat) and he would rotate from pos 1 (driver) and pos 3 (gunner) becasue the bh rotates in a clockwise motion so it would fly itseklf and no aa could lock onto him because there wasnt a driver, he would won it up getting 300 a round constantly, since then he actaully uses choppers in the normal way
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|7103|Derby, England

Ea Dos look at forums who ever told you they don't? how do u think tyhey know about sum of the bugs from testers ? Testers couldent didect simple Bugs not alone the ones that are ingame. Peace Boris
E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7159|UK
When was the last time you saw a black hawk hovering over a flag on Wake?

I don't remember because it's impossible to get passed the AA/Tanks/Jeeps waiting for you at each end of the island.

All people do now in the black hawks is fly really high and jump out, or fly right on the edge of the map and try and get to a flag that way.
Longbow
Member
+163|7117|Odessa, Ukraine
Leave it , it is just a transport helo , It doesnt need to be Mashtuur's flying fortress !

p/s If no helos on Mashtuur , I may agree to increase power of both MEC , PLA and USMC transport chopers , but BH in patch 1.12 ruins game on Mashruur .

Last edited by Longbow (2006-04-28 04:26:18)

E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7159|UK

badhq wrote:

Ea Dos look at forums who ever told you they don't? how do u think tyhey know about sum of the bugs from testers ? Testers couldent didect simple Bugs not alone the ones that are ingame. Peace Boris
they may look but they don't listen. That is the point I'm trying to make here.
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|7103|Derby, England

E7IX3R wrote:

badhq wrote:

Ea Dos look at forums who ever told you they don't? how do u think tyhey know about sum of the bugs from testers ? Testers couldent didect simple Bugs not alone the ones that are ingame. Peace Boris
they may look but they don't listen. That is the point I'm trying to make here.
Why should they listen ? if they listen to every jack and herra writes in forums this game would be wack? so you tell me exacly how they should determine who to listen ? Peace Boris
nikki_lighthouse
Member
+5|7068
I agree with you on the squad hopping issue - it's a valid and useful tactic which encourages good teamplay. OK, it's less "realistic" because it means you don't start out from you "base" when you respawn but then the whole idea of respawning after death is fairly "unrealistic" hey?

The alternative is not only annoying (running across the map while your team urgently needs your medic/engy/support/whatever skills) but it can alo be wasteful. When I play lonewolf I often find myself spawning  alone at some far flung base. There may be transport / armour around but I tend not to use it "just" for transport because it's a waste. Even if I was in a squad, what would be the point in me taking an APC or whatever just to teararse across the map to catch up with my buddies. That's not what those vehicles are for - much better to respawn on my team and get back to doing what we do.
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7144|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
They should listen because we are even better than beta testers. We tell them the faults and praises in a huge number one way or the other.


Say we all took the stance "elmo" did and put the game away because we are not happy with it. EA/Dice would spit blood due to the money and effort they are currently putting into exp packs, patches and future BF2 titles.
Would it be fair for them to turn to us and ask "why didnt you say you wern't happy?". Think of it as a business loosing a customer.

I bought SF and havent purchased Euro Boys or whatever the gay title is, neither will I buy Armoured Furry.  They should sort the faults of the original out first IMO.

I put JO away when I heard bout BF2 and a lot of the Nova community wasnt happy with Nova's aftersales support either n they lost out.

Does JO still exist?
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7133|USA
I agree with the BH part. The Wake AA is fine. The MEC/PLA choppers do NOT need to be powered up.

And then your bitching about changes in a patch that EA hasn't even announced.

Why should they listen again?
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|7103|Derby, England

1927 wrote:

They should listen because we are even better than beta testers. We tell them the faults and praises in a huge number one way or the other.


Say we all took the stance "elmo" did and put the game away because we are not happy with it. EA/Dice would spit blood due to the money and effort they are currently putting into exp packs, patches and future BF2 titles.
Would it be fair for them to turn to us and ask "why didnt you say you wern't happy?". Think of it as a business loosing a customer.

I bought SF and havent purchased Euro Boys or whatever the gay title is, neither will I buy Armoured Furry.  They should sort the faults of the original out first IMO.

I put JO away when I heard bout BF2 and a lot of the Nova community wasnt happy with Nova's aftersales support either n they lost out.

Does JO still exist?
To sum ecstend I agree with you but.... can you Honestly tell me you listen to everything your parents tell you ?

Peace Boris
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7144|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
Sorry you've confused me.
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|7103|Derby, England

1927 wrote:

Sorry you've confused me.
You and Ex were sayng EA should listen to What people have 2 say cas we know the best, I replyed and sead do you loisten to your parents when they tell you sumthing ?

Peace Boris
malarkeycoon
Member
+16|7111|Cardiff
Yeah they needed to put more thought into the blackhawk problem before they reduced it to a flying death trap.  They couldn't leave it the way it was because on Mashtuur and Wake it was just a flying points machine. I think a better option would have been to:
1 - Increase the power of the mec/pla choppers
2 - Reduce splash damage of the minigun (by lets say 50% as it was you didn't have to shoot anywhere near the target to get the kill)
3 - Decrease the armor of the blackhawk (slightly) and
4 - Take away the ability to repair the chopper in flight.

As it is currenlty its almost pointless having the chopper on Mashtuur. All its useful for is dropping snipers on roofs.
Chou
Member
+737|7262
The magic should be Increase not Decrease things in this game.
1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7144|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

badhq wrote:

1927 wrote:

Sorry you've confused me.
You and Ex were sayng EA should listen to What people have 2 say cas we know the best, I replyed and sead do you loisten to your parents when they tell you sumthing ?

Peace Boris
Sorry mate I get you now.

Well, no i suppose I dont want to listen to my Dad I remember him saying no, dont buy that like this, do it this way etc etc the intrest is less. I didnt listen and wish I had. Same goes for smoking I suppose. Wish I'd listened to him on that one too.


That argument can be counterd by ones which would point towards the cases they hadnt listened to me about something and then you become unhappy. I'll put that in this example. Your at your favourite restaurant and the food is different to last time. The sauce with the steak seems different, why did they have to change it from the original? Well the chef is new and has changed it to his way of doing it.  When you complain to the manager he repiles with "well dont let it bother you because he's bringing new stuff on the menu soon anyway, but you will have to pay for it".  At that point I'd consider dining elsewhere next time and thus they loose out.

Thats why I belive EA/Dice should listen to us now.  It's funny I dont think I have a single thread starting with "I'd like to change this" or "why oh why" etc. Perhaps I don't feel as strongly as others.

ie, I wouldn't of bought another nova title due to the lack of aftersales support and fixes etc that came.  I am however happy with how BF2 is but I would prefer them to fix something rather than bring new. 

At the end of the day I must respect there wishes as I am only 1 customer. I suppose it may be diffrent if we had to pay a monthly online subsricption. If they saw that lots of accounts were closed game developers may act in a diffrent way.

I still think this game is the best Ive ever played on anything. Other than using fireworks and old grannies, but hey thats a diffrent kind of gaming altogether.
Rygar
Canucklehead
+69|7117|Nova Scotia
EA can't change the game based on forum opinion because (like a lot of posts in the debate section, haha) the opinions are circular.  One person's fix is another person's curse.  So yes, they probably consider a lot of what's said but at the end of the day you can't screw one person over to please another.

Personally I don't care what they did or will do to the choppers because I don't use them.  I can't pilot very well and my aim is less than spectacular from them.  I haven't had too much trouble taking them down since I started playing (January) except the real obvious whores on Gulf of Oman.  You know, the base-raping cocks who are in the chopper the entire round, and every time they get shot down they go get it again.  I've had trouble taking them down
Aruba-Prime
[Expert Smoke Grenade]
+44|7245|Hamburg, Germany
The REAL reason we're getting vehicle drops is we're lab rats....
there testing it for bf2142.....

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