BF2S Forums Where did all these "Hacks" come from !!!

The important thing to remember is that as you can see in the MSX videos, the aimbot is horrible shit, so you are really only dealing with wallhackers. That is something that any good player can overcome. The supply crate and insta-arty is so obviously detected that most of those hackers won't last long with admins around. 

Yes you will get killed by some bullshit sometimes, but most of the time those kills are legit and you just got dropped due to BF2s lovely netcode etc. Don't accuse everyone of hacking, you are really only giving compliments to those who aren't hacking and are just good, and you are showing your weakness that you can't compete.

Occasionally you will encounter someone who is obviously wallhacking, but that doesn't mean they have any skill with their gun. Bust a 180 on them and drop prone and often you will get a kill just because they aren't expecting it. Practice makes perfect, wall hacking is something in BF2 that can be overcome because of the open spaces. In CS it was a lot harder to beat, because when you get the drop on someone in CS you 95% of the time will kill them without taking any damage (hence if someone was cheating they could kill a lot of people before dying). Whereas getting the drop on someone in BF2 doesn't grant you a no damage taken kill all the time - eventually you're going to die even if you got the drop on someone. So with this in mind, if they are watching people through walls, there is so many angles of attack to counter-rape them that you won't get totally owned by hackers in BF2 all the time.

Hence if some douche is tracking you through wall hacks, the open spaces and large amount of damage you can sustain especially as the armored classes will allow you to send a few bullets through their head before they get a kill on you. Travelling in groups with a medic buddy is also the way to go. Often these cheaters really suck at aiming and actually playing the game so even if they suprise you, you can still win the firefight through practice, then get some meds.

Bigphillyed wrote:

Iknow thay have been around for awhile. I was under the impression with BF2, it was harder then most to use a hack, that the system or PB picked it up very quick. But now with this new and improved hack, they just simply can't be caught. And to think these retards are making money from it.

But how do we know what servers have active admins? And as I said, can they actually see the battlefield? So if someone is hacking they can actually see it?

No - the cheat is able like most cheats these days, to bypass punkbuster and provide a clean image to the admins via punkbuster. If punkbuster actually updated, it would catch the hack, and furthermore, admins could take screens and see people cheating with their wallhacks on. Until PB updates which is probably never, then these cheaters are free to wallhack.

Admins can only monitor suspicious behaviour and ban tards, but this creates more problems then it is worth because admins use it as an excuse to ban anyone for suspicious behaviour. OMG you stole my cobra, Banning for wall hacks etc. Or OMG you just killed me thats so bullshit, ban...etc. Not a good solution to a problem. The best solution is if you suspect a major cheater, leave the server and move on with your life, it really was the only way to get a good game in CS. If a server had a cheat, move on and find another there is more then enough out there.

Todd_Angelo wrote:

I shot a guy behind a wall last night.

...course his legs were sticking out on my side so I thought, why not give it a shot (no pun intended)?

I wouldn't have thought to try if I hadn't read on here that you can even knife someone if they project through a wall.

shoulda stabed him

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

The important thing to remember is that as you can see in the MSX videos, the aimbot is horrible shit, so you are really only dealing with wallhackers. That is something that any good player can overcome.

Hmm,from my experience with TacticalOps(The "better" Counterstrike for UT-engine) I think it's the opposite,some of the best players I know can easily deal with an aimbotuser,the cheater still has to have you in your view to make his aimbot work(aimbot-settings which allow 360-degree-aiming are easily detected),that's where the better player gets him.

But all these really great players I know say that a radar is far worse than an aimbot.
I'm not sure about the MSX-BF2-wallhack though,don't know if there's a radar included,but I'd prefer to be up against a player who hits me 100% IF he's able to see me rather than a player who always knows where I am and which route I'll take to get to him.

Mj.Blindfisch wrote:

[CANADA]_Zenmaster wrote:

The important thing to remember is that as you can see in the MSX videos, the aimbot is horrible shit, so you are really only dealing with wallhackers. That is something that any good player can overcome.

Hmm,from my experience with TacticalOps(The "better" Counterstrike for UT-engine) I think it's the opposite,some of the best players I know can easily deal with an aimbotuser,the cheater still has to have you in your view to make his aimbot work(aimbot-settings which allow 360-degree-aiming are easily detected),that's where the better player gets him.

But all these really great players I know say that a radar is far worse than an aimbot.
I'm not sure about the MSX-BF2-wallhack though,don't know if there's a radar included,but I'd prefer to be up against a player who hits me 100% IF he's able to see me rather than a player who always knows where I am and which route I'll take to get to him.

You kind of missed what I was saying - the aimbot included with MSX as demonstrated in the video is so horrible that a good player can out aim-bot the aim bot. Hence, even if they know where you are going, you still have ample time to destroy them even if they get the drop on you. As for your point, any aim-bot is easily detected not just 360 degree ones. Rapid snap movement and constant accuracy scream aimbot to anyone playing for a lengthy period of time. Nobody is flawless, but a good aimbot is. The MSX aimbot is junk, it is only the wallhack that is a threat to legit play, and my point once again is the people who are using it really stink. In other games, cheats are so easily found on google, and downloaded for no cost, that thousands of immature teens are out there cheating away with no consequence other then having to occasionally find a new server.

As for a cheater with wall hacks, who has actual skill, then yes they can be horrible to play against, which is when you leave the server or squad rape them, as its much harder to kill two people or more especially when a medic can revive the fallen. I have yet to see a player use wall hacks that are any good with them though EDIT for clarity: IN BF2.

Rate up for thinking about it though.

Last edited by [CANADA]_Zenmaster (2006-04-22 00:29:23)

kontrolcrimson wrote:

Todd_Angelo wrote:

I shot a guy behind a wall last night.

...course his legs were sticking out on my side so I thought, why not give it a shot (no pun intended)?

I wouldn't have thought to try if I hadn't read on here that you can even knife someone if they project through a wall.

shoulda stabed him

I woulda if I coulda



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MindTreat wrote:

The most annying part was actually the emails i recieved from admin@bf2s.com

No link where i could "Unsubscribe" or anything. Just a mail with alot of uselesss info....

I've written a mail to someone here in the staff, but im also making this post to be sure
they catch up.
And where the **** did they get my email address?????? I signed up JUST NOW, so don't say
something stupid as "Uhm... you registered with that mail?"


To the topic again, alot of ppl are using the shadow bugs. In my case, i can sometimes see shadows
off ppl inside a building, while they are laying on the roof.
Bug bug bug... someone sqash it...

I'm not sure why you posted this in this particular thread.. but if you tried a search you might have found out that that email didn't actually come from bf2s.com...
See the following thread:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=21646

Search for "CodeSeven" and watch the video...people like that Redux guy are why hacks are used so much.

Some people are so insanely good at videogames that it drives other people (who base their whole existence on their video game ego, which is bolstered exponentially by each possible stat you give them to look at and use to compare themselves to other people) crazy...and their answer to someone with natural skills so good they can never possibly hope to compete is to cheat the system.  These are typically the angst-ridden pubescents who scream "fag" at their monitor whenever they die...and for the most part, these are the ones who will use hacks all day long, getting insane scores and making sure to let everyone know how cool they are with their high scores that they didn't earn.  These are the grunts of the hacking community, the ones you are most likely to see out in a game being a fucktard.

Then there's the other type of hacker, which is much less common and on the surface seems more innocent, but ultimately is much worse for the game: these are the ones who are just interested in testing their coding skills or whatever against the makers of any program or videogame they get their hands on.  These people aren't in it for their SPM, KD ratio or salivating about the possibilities of getting the WCR if they keep up their super-l337 scores for a few months...they just get pleasure out of the feeling of modifying product content to make it do stuff it's not supposed to.  And then they make stupid statements that it's the game developer's fault for coding poorly, etc., etc...I guess they don't understand that without their small minority trying to subvert everything produced by deverlopers, that the other 99% of the gaming populace would either lack the skill or lack the desire to cheat the system.  These people aren't usually the ones who terrorize online all day with their hacks, because they are too busy trying to hack some other game or program that they've moved on to for the time being.  But they are the generals of the hacking community, and they don't have to get their hands dirty killing some n00bs online...their work is done the second they release their hack(s).

Also keep in mind that weird shit happens in BF2 all the time.  I had a round last night on Karkand where I was 59/6 using primarily the Abrams, and at one point I was shooting the main machinegun at an infantry who was in a dead sprint to hide behind a building.  I hit him twice while he was running, and after he rounded the corner I kept shooting for about another half second.  On my final bullet, after he was already past the corner, it registered another hit through a wall or something...I'm sure he looked at my good score, looked at how he died, and assumed I hack.  But it was simply a game glitch or lag.

Ultimately, the best scores you ever see in BF2 (aside from stat padders) are most likely going to someone who simply is incredibly skilled...that, and the fact that the game can be laggy and glitchy, made me stop worrying about hacks some time ago.  The best thing to do if you see stuff that is COMPLETELY blatant, like being in the buildings on Kark, is find someplace else to play for the time being.  Hacking probably won't go away anytime sooner than world poverty or hunger, but rest assured that if you are truly good at this game you can kill just as well as any hacker.

Whatever the tech solution that will be found against hackers, it's just pushing the required knowledge a little higher, it's inherent to software development, every problem has a solution. Cheat makers are a minority in games, because they are often pro or soon they have a job and spending much more time on things they can earn money with. Writing hacks is not an interesting thing for a software developer, it's often just about 1000 lines of code which is not really what is looking for an experienced developer. Only novices can be proud of that, if you add to this the dimension around on how people see hackers, this probably give them motivation.
I'm not supporting hacks/cheating in the game, but on the other hand i know that many developers have found a job in a company or a motivation to learn how to code by reverse engineering internals structures of a program, often adding positive features. Software companies who are concerned by security problems are hiring so called "hackers" who are in fact developers specialized in security problems to test their software.
Concretely the problem with BF2 is that PB didn't show a strong motivation to use all the methods they can use to catch hacks, it can be also due to the fact Dice want to preserve its code, not ready to provide to PB all the info they really needs to scan in deep the process, not to mention that an intensive scanning can really slow down the game. This motivation is also marked by the fact that M...X site is still selling a complete hack since a year now, an awful situation for all the honest players that this game has.
The game is enough interesting like it is, there's no need to mod it, you die, you kill, sometimes you have good scores, sometimes you don't, and the rank means nothing.

Last edited by MovZ (2006-04-29 07:32:04)

I have seen more and more of these aimbot hacks all the time seems like at least once a day after since mid April.  They will get there cheat shots on you , but there is nothing more satisfying then coordinating your squad, shutting them down and pwning those limp dick salad tossers..

Todd_Angelo wrote:

I woulda if I coulda

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