Having to keep restarting update services for XP

2010-04-30 05:15:51

#1

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

I'm at work and apparently the image I just burned that my friend made isn't any good but we have to use it any cuz the other discs are too scratched to complete installation.

The problem is that with one: MS update always tells me that the three background update services aren't enabled, I have to keep restarting them every time the computer gets turned on which obviously shouldn't happen. Is there any way to fix this permanently on the computers we install it to?

I remember hearing it before, it had something to do with deleting or renaming a file somewhere

Last edited by _j5689_ (2010-04-30 05:17:27)

2010-04-30 05:42:52

#2

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

can you set them to 'automatic' from the services control panel app? sounds like they are set to manual or disabled at the moment...

https://bf3s.com/sigs/36e1d9e36ae924048a933db90fb05bb247fe315e.png

2010-04-30 11:25:46

#3

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6826|NYC / Hamburg

you could just do "net start <service>" and execute that on each start. Maybe make a batch file or something

_{once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.}

2010-05-01 10:11:59

#4

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

Nevermind, it appears it's only for the first one or two tries, and then it works fine. Also odd is that the school(I work for my school) system is getting rid of it's proxy and although it still works with and without, on these particular computers the proxy has to be set until the problem I put in this thread solves itself.

2010-05-05 08:50:20

#5

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

it sounds like the windows update service is trying to communicate through the proxy server set up through internet explorer, and failing because they can't reach the update servers. you aren't by chance running a local WSUS server at your school are you?

2010-05-05 09:02:07

#6

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6826|NYC / Hamburg

I've been meaning to ask about this:

I run 5 W7 machines and a Server 2008 R2 box here. Does it make sense to set up WSUS or just continue to just update the machines individually from the web?

_{once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.}

2010-05-05 11:57:41

#7

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

steelie34 wrote:
it sounds like the windows update service is trying to communicate through the proxy server set up through internet explorer, and failing because they can't reach the update servers. you aren't by chance running a local WSUS server at your school are you?

Not sure what a WSUS server is tbh

2010-05-05 12:27:37

#8

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

max wrote:
I've been meaning to ask about this:

I run 5 W7 machines and a Server 2008 R2 box here. Does it make sense to set up WSUS or just continue to just update the machines individually from the web?

do them individually if bandwidth isnt a concern. wsus is mainly for businesses with a lot of systems needing the windows update service. it's less taxing on the internet bandwidth if the machine can get their updates locally. for example, if you ran a marketing type business, where internet access isnt terribly important (say you only have a T1 connection,) but you have 1000 salesmen with computers, it would be much faster to deploy a wsus server internally for updates instead of letting all 1000 systems download their updates individually over the T1.

it's cool to play around with though, and a snap to setup up. it should be an easy role to add to your 2k8 box. it saves time since you only have to get the updates once with the server, and then the clients all update from the local server. you have to make sure you set the machines to use your server though, but that's easy enough if you use group policy, or just set them individually since you only have 5 systems. the nice part is you can reject updates you don't want to deploy, and the systems won't keep bothering you for them. it also let's you track whether a computer has all the necessary updates that apply to it.

@j5689, wsus stands for windows server update service. it lets you download updates to one system, and then direct all the other systems on your local network to get those updates there instead of going out to the internet themselves. it helps you keep a lot of distributed computers updated without having to make sure users do them, and saves a lot of bandwidth since only one system has to download the updates. if you have this deployed in your school, and the machines are using it, the update service will fail if you take the wsus server offline.

Last edited by steelie34 (2010-05-05 12:32:37)

2010-05-05 12:42:36

#9

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

steelie34 wrote:
max wrote:
I've been meaning to ask about this:

I run 5 W7 machines and a Server 2008 R2 box here. Does it make sense to set up WSUS or just continue to just update the machines individually from the web?
do them individually if bandwidth isnt a concern. wsus is mainly for businesses with a lot of systems needing the windows update service. it's less taxing on the internet bandwidth if the machine can get their updates locally. for example, if you ran a marketing type business, where internet access isnt terribly important (say you only have a T1 connection,) but you have 1000 salesmen with computers, it would be much faster to deploy a wsus server internally for updates instead of letting all 1000 systems download their updates individually over the T1.

it's cool to play around with though, and a snap to setup up. it should be an easy role to add to your 2k8 box. it saves time since you only have to get the updates once with the server, and then the clients all update from the local server. you have to make sure you set the machines to use your server though, but that's easy enough if you use group policy, or just set them individually since you only have 5 systems. the nice part is you can reject updates you don't want to deploy, and the systems won't keep bothering you for them. it also let's you track whether a computer has all the necessary updates that apply to it.

@j5689, wsus stands for windows server update service. it lets you download updates to one system, and then direct all the other systems on your local network to get those updates there instead of going out to the internet themselves. it helps you keep a lot of distributed computers updated without having to make sure users do them, and saves a lot of bandwidth since only one system has to download the updates. if you have this deployed in your school, and the machines are using it, the update service will fail if you take the wsus server offline.

I'm not sure if we do have that or not then. The county has a way to apply updates automatically upon start-up but the computers have to be registered to the domain and the updates aren't Windows specific and you can't opt out of them so it's probably something different. In one of the ethernet closets there's a few blade servers, and I think one of them is hooked up to a monitor which always has a Server 2003 login screen, that might be it but I really wouldn't know

2010-05-05 12:55:01

#10

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

actually it sounds like you are using some sort of automatic update client... and if it's not a windows update service, the machines might have their built-in windows update service disabled (causing your problem.) unfortunately, if your machines are on a domain, you probably can't override this behavior without someone at the county's IT dept noticing. but you might want to try the steps listed here to see what happens.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

i wouldn't hold out hope though, it seems like these systems are being controlled from somewhere else, at least policy-wise. is there someone you can contact at the county to tell them about the problem you're having? of course, you could always take the machine off the domain, but i don't know what your IT rules are regarding these systems.

Last edited by steelie34 (2010-05-05 12:55:55)

2010-05-05 14:02:54

#11

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

Well, everything is working now at the moment, it must've just been a temporary thing

2010-05-05 14:23:53

#12

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

does it still auto-update itself? just curious...

2010-05-05 14:38:27

#13

_j5689_: Dreads & Bergers; +364|6975|Riva, MD

steelie34 wrote:
does it still auto-update itself? just curious...

It never did, lol. Not with Windows updates anyway unless the county makes it that way, they choose the ones that go through to the computers when they start. It's only a few anyway like the MS Office compatibility packs for 03 and 07. Most of them only ever get updated when they come through our office if they were having troubles.

2010-05-05 14:53:36

#14

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6826|NYC / Hamburg

steelie34 wrote:
...

Cool. I'll give it a whirl. Saving bandwidth is always good. Gotta keep the line empty for fast porn downloading Not having the PCs nag me all the time sounds great.

_{once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.}

BF2S Forums Having to keep restarting update services for XP

steelie34 wrote:

max wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

max wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

Board footer