oh, in those cases where it wasn't passed down genetically it was 'caught' like a common cold?Jaekus wrote:
Fixed.burnzz wrote:
you do know it's can be hereditary, right?lrishpride wrote:
My dads bipolar. My mams gone on holiday for 2 weeks and he's not taking his medication. He's gone completely nuts.
terrible disorder.
I tried to get him to take his pills but he attacked me and my sister. So we'll just leave it to him...
my aunt had it, and im more than positive my dad has it, he refuses to go to a psychologist, and also pretty sure a few other family members have it.burnzz wrote:
you do know it's hereditary, right?
severe depression for a couple of years
dealt with it by not going to a doctor and not talking to friends or anyone about it and just pretty much breaking down every time i was alone instead
in hindsight, not the greatest way to do it
dealt with it by not going to a doctor and not talking to friends or anyone about it and just pretty much breaking down every time i was alone instead
in hindsight, not the greatest way to do it
even though some family members may not show symptoms, the disorder itself is carried genetically.Cash 'N Prizes wrote:
my aunt had it, and im more than positive my dad has it, he refuses to go to a psychologist, and also pretty sure a few other family members have it.burnzz wrote:
you do know it's hereditary, right?
i'd advise anyone who has symptoms in their family history to seek a medical opinion if the disorder is present.
knowledge and early detection are the best defense against the symptoms becoming unmanageable.
ive already been diagnosed, and the meds they give me and the psychologists they made me talk to help very little. what helps for me like ive said is exercise and reading, and sometimes even games. but recently the symptoms are becoming nearly impossible to deal with.burnzz wrote:
even though some family members may not show symptoms, the disorder itself is carried genetically.
i'd advise anyone who has symptoms in their family history to seek a medical opinion if the disorder is present.
knowledge and early detection are the best defense against the symptoms becoming unmanageable.
My entire dads side of the family are nuts. 2 of my aunts attempted committing suicide and all but 1 son is on anti-depressants. My mam blames how they were brought up, she said they were never showed any love.burnzz wrote:
even though some family members may not show symptoms, the disorder itself is carried genetically.Cash 'N Prizes wrote:
my aunt had it, and im more than positive my dad has it, he refuses to go to a psychologist, and also pretty sure a few other family members have it.burnzz wrote:
you do know it's hereditary, right?
i'd advise anyone who has symptoms in their family history to seek a medical opinion if the disorder is present.
knowledge and early detection are the best defense against the symptoms becoming unmanageable.
I don't believe in any of that nonsense. I think they'd sell you any sort of pill to make money. Yeah, sometimes your down, but you deal with it, carry on. Taking medication only seems to get things worse and gives people an excuse for being lazy really...
"I can't go to work today, I don't feel up to it".
I'm sick of my dads sickness. He used to be the best dad ever. And I mean ever. I feel sorry for my lil sis and lil bro who never really seen the best side of him...
Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
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douche.
i used to think it was possibly all bullshit. The you experience it, it is all consuming and crushes you beyond what you ever thought possible. You don't dare let yourself be alone with your thoughts because you don't know if this is finally going to be the day you've been simultaneously dreading and waiting for.lrishpride wrote:
I don't believe in any of that nonsense. I think they'd sell you any sort of pill to make money. Yeah, sometimes your down, but you deal with it, carry on. Taking medication only seems to get things worse and gives people an excuse for being lazy really...
Believe me. It's not nonsense.
I can't see myself thinking like that. I've always been very positive. Not being vain, but I'm very strong willed and I'm mentally strong.
You'd be surprised how much mental strength and strong will it takes to hide depression from everyone for years, having depression isn't really about having a strong will, its just more to do with how analytical your mind is. My problem is that I overthink everything in my life, even the smallest things that are trivial, and I analyse all the bad things that happen to me. I had a really bad 2 years where as soon as i was just getting over something that happened something else came along, something that most other people possibly would have dealt with, but due to my personality and how i think, i wasn't able to.lrishpride wrote:
I can't see myself thinking like that. I've always been very positive. Not being vain, but I'm very strong willed and I'm mentally strong.
Oh. Well I managed to see the bright side just about a week after my girlfriend of 18 got pregnant. And I lolled when i crashed the car.
I think I'm just, as Uzique would say...
s i m p l e
And as the man himself Bob Marley said 'Don't worry, be happy!'.
Fuck stress, nobody needs it.
Once I've food in my belly and a licence for my telly, nothings gonna bring me down ))
I think I'm just, as Uzique would say...
s i m p l e
And as the man himself Bob Marley said 'Don't worry, be happy!'.
Fuck stress, nobody needs it.
Once I've food in my belly and a licence for my telly, nothings gonna bring me down ))
this. you cant control something like this with willpower it just happens, no matter how many happy thoughts or good things happen the depressive stages will always soon follow, especially after a lot of laughter.mkxiii wrote:
You'd be surprised how much mental strength and strong will it takes to hide depression from everyone for years, having depression isn't really about having a strong will, its just more to do with how analytical your mind is. My problem is that I overthink everything in my life, even the smallest things that are trivial, and I analyse all the bad things that happen to me. I had a really bad 2 years where as soon as i was just getting over something that happened something else came along, something that most other people possibly would have dealt with, but due to my personality and how i think, i wasn't able to.
I have clinical depression but lead a completely normal life thanks to cipramil. Nearly ten years on, I can't hardly remember the darkest depths of my despair. It's like it wasn't even me. But the danger of it returning always feels dangerously near at hand.
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I know what you mean about it feeling so close, i remember when i was starting to become a bit better about it i almost had an actual phobia of getting angry or upset about anything, purely because it would send me back to a place i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy.
I don't know how different the last 2-3 years would have been had i gone to a doctor, but its not something i can change now
I don't know how different the last 2-3 years would have been had i gone to a doctor, but its not something i can change now
The recovery period is a series of ups and down, dips and rises. I remember deciding to come off medication way too early and way too quickly and had a complete and utter relapse. I am now gradually reducing dose over a stretched out period of a number of years, but if I relapse I'll just stay on them for good.mkxiii wrote:
I know what you mean about it feeling so close, i remember when i was starting to become a bit better about it i almost had an actual phobia of getting angry or upset about anything, purely because it would send me back to a place i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy.
I don't know how different the last 2-3 years would have been had i gone to a doctor, but its not something i can change now
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I hate my fucking life. How's that go as far as mental disorders.
I'm told hat I have depression but I've never had it properly diagnosed. I don't want it to be. Your problems always seem less if you just don't pay attention to them. I mean if it was severely impacting me then yeah, I'd see what I could do but most of the time when I feel down I just head out for a run. After 15Ks I promise you won't be thinking about depression.
I have a friend who's like the opposite to me. He has diagnosed depression, I can see it's an inherited condition. However he's also diagnosed himself with OCD, Anxiety disorder, Aspergers and now he's decided he's a hypochondriac. Thing with these is that if he's convinced he has it he can find a shrink who'll back up his claim and then blammo, self-diagnosed mental disorer. The more of these mental disorders he can lump on himself the happier he seems because he always has something to blame his various life problems on. He was picked on at primary school too and his Dad died when he was 15, these can be traumatic events but so many people can push on through this and it's been seven years since his Dad's death. Seven years and he's been to at least ten diferent shrinks and has had a support network of friends, family and parents of friends that would be able to support a busload of trauma patients. I knew his Dad well, a fantastic guy, and I know he'd hit him over the bloody head if he knew that his son was just moping around and blaming everything on this one particular, incident. My mate's twin sister is currently in Europe, she's been travelling for coming on three years now and has been loving it. She's got the same inherited conditions, her dad also died when she was 15 and she was also picked on a lot at primary school - but she's not letting it stop her.
I can understand mental disorders but a lot of the time it's down to the person who has them. My mate loves being a victim and he's gathering a collection of mental illneses to proove this. Thing is, (and the guy's incredibly self-absorbed so doesn't notice,) slowly his network of friends are just disappearing because everyone's wised up to him and people are getting sick of dealing with the same shit over and over again. My sister, who set him up in a flat, taught him how to take care of himself and cleaned up his messes so the other flatmates didn't want to kick him out, now refuses to talk with him because he refuses to acknowledge what others have done for him and repay it in kind, ( shown, in my sister's opinion, by him not meeting me at Buenos Aires airport when I went over to South America so, tired and jetlagged, I got taken for a ride by a crooked taxi driver and stripped of all my money only to arrive and find that he hadn't even reserved a bed for me. I mean after spending a couple of months on your own overseas an one of yor best mates was flying over to meet you wouldn't you, you know, make an effort?)
About four days ago I was incredibly blunt with him, had an angry conversation where he was feeling all hard done by so I delivered some unpleasant truths, I haven't seen him or spoken with him since so Hell, maybe after 18 years the diorders have won out over our friendship. I mean I'll always leap in if the guy's in serious trouble and I have done in the past but when it's just day in day out all you're dealing with is this self-absorbed person who doesn't care about you and can't for the life of him see any bigger picture, is constantly whining about how he doesn't have a girlfriend and how he thinks he's got peredontitis and his teeth will fall out and how he has no money, (an annoying factor since he owes me about $100,) and how he's going to die sad and alone... fuck, I mean you can understand why I don't want anything to do with this guy.
Anyway that was a long rant but I neded to get that out.
I have a friend who's like the opposite to me. He has diagnosed depression, I can see it's an inherited condition. However he's also diagnosed himself with OCD, Anxiety disorder, Aspergers and now he's decided he's a hypochondriac. Thing with these is that if he's convinced he has it he can find a shrink who'll back up his claim and then blammo, self-diagnosed mental disorer. The more of these mental disorders he can lump on himself the happier he seems because he always has something to blame his various life problems on. He was picked on at primary school too and his Dad died when he was 15, these can be traumatic events but so many people can push on through this and it's been seven years since his Dad's death. Seven years and he's been to at least ten diferent shrinks and has had a support network of friends, family and parents of friends that would be able to support a busload of trauma patients. I knew his Dad well, a fantastic guy, and I know he'd hit him over the bloody head if he knew that his son was just moping around and blaming everything on this one particular, incident. My mate's twin sister is currently in Europe, she's been travelling for coming on three years now and has been loving it. She's got the same inherited conditions, her dad also died when she was 15 and she was also picked on a lot at primary school - but she's not letting it stop her.
I can understand mental disorders but a lot of the time it's down to the person who has them. My mate loves being a victim and he's gathering a collection of mental illneses to proove this. Thing is, (and the guy's incredibly self-absorbed so doesn't notice,) slowly his network of friends are just disappearing because everyone's wised up to him and people are getting sick of dealing with the same shit over and over again. My sister, who set him up in a flat, taught him how to take care of himself and cleaned up his messes so the other flatmates didn't want to kick him out, now refuses to talk with him because he refuses to acknowledge what others have done for him and repay it in kind, ( shown, in my sister's opinion, by him not meeting me at Buenos Aires airport when I went over to South America so, tired and jetlagged, I got taken for a ride by a crooked taxi driver and stripped of all my money only to arrive and find that he hadn't even reserved a bed for me. I mean after spending a couple of months on your own overseas an one of yor best mates was flying over to meet you wouldn't you, you know, make an effort?)
About four days ago I was incredibly blunt with him, had an angry conversation where he was feeling all hard done by so I delivered some unpleasant truths, I haven't seen him or spoken with him since so Hell, maybe after 18 years the diorders have won out over our friendship. I mean I'll always leap in if the guy's in serious trouble and I have done in the past but when it's just day in day out all you're dealing with is this self-absorbed person who doesn't care about you and can't for the life of him see any bigger picture, is constantly whining about how he doesn't have a girlfriend and how he thinks he's got peredontitis and his teeth will fall out and how he has no money, (an annoying factor since he owes me about $100,) and how he's going to die sad and alone... fuck, I mean you can understand why I don't want anything to do with this guy.
Anyway that was a long rant but I neded to get that out.
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That's not what I meant, sorry, 3.5 hours sleep and I'm not talking straight.burnzz wrote:
oh, in those cases where it wasn't passed down genetically it was 'caught' like a common cold?Jaekus wrote:
Fixed.burnzz wrote:
you do know it's can be hereditary, right?
What I meant to say it is hereditary, but it's not like it's a given that you'll develop bipolar, just increased chances.
My mother had clinical depression, and I got it. My two brothers didn't.Jaekus wrote:
That's not what I meant, sorry, 3.5 hours sleep and I'm not talking straight.burnzz wrote:
oh, in those cases where it wasn't passed down genetically it was 'caught' like a common cold?Jaekus wrote:
Fixed.
What I meant to say it is hereditary, but it's not like it's a given that you'll develop bipolar, just increased chances.
Bobby McFerrinlrishpride wrote:
And as the man himself Bob Marley said 'Don't worry, be happy!'[/url]
Everyone's saying exercise is good for depression. Like 3 weeks after the depression properly kicked in I busted the ligaments in my ankle, could only start running without intense pain a couple of months ago.
Bum deal eh?
Bum deal eh?
lol. About your depression mk, I have had the pretty much same deal.mkxiii wrote:
Everyone's saying exercise is good for depression. Like 3 weeks after the depression properly kicked in I busted the ligaments in my ankle, could only start running without intense pain a couple of months ago.
Bum deal eh?
And about Ty's post. Seriously, he has so much stuff done for him...
There are people like your mate who play the victim, but in all honestly, and in my experience, they're fairly few and far between. Most of the people I work with are genuinely wanting to get better and do make a lot of effort. It's just sometimes their illness becomes acute and then they need to seek hospitalisation. My job is non-clinical so I'm usually working with people when they're in a better place than what they've been in before, though I have had a couple critical incidents.Ty wrote:
I'm told hat I have depression but I've never had it properly diagnosed. I don't want it to be. Your problems always seem less if you just don't pay attention to them. I mean if it was severely impacting me then yeah, I'd see what I could do but most of the time when I feel down I just head out for a run. After 15Ks I promise you won't be thinking about depression.
I have a friend who's like the opposite to me. He has diagnosed depression, I can see it's an inherited condition. However he's also diagnosed himself with OCD, Anxiety disorder, Aspergers and now he's decided he's a hypochondriac. Thing with these is that if he's convinced he has it he can find a shrink who'll back up his claim and then blammo, self-diagnosed mental disorer. The more of these mental disorders he can lump on himself the happier he seems because he always has something to blame his various life problems on. He was picked on at primary school too and his Dad died when he was 15, these can be traumatic events but so many people can push on through this and it's been seven years since his Dad's death. Seven years and he's been to at least ten diferent shrinks and has had a support network of friends, family and parents of friends that would be able to support a busload of trauma patients. I knew his Dad well, a fantastic guy, and I know he'd hit him over the bloody head if he knew that his son was just moping around and blaming everything on this one particular, incident. My mate's twin sister is currently in Europe, she's been travelling for coming on three years now and has been loving it. She's got the same inherited conditions, her dad also died when she was 15 and she was also picked on a lot at primary school - but she's not letting it stop her.
I can understand mental disorders but a lot of the time it's down to the person who has them. My mate loves being a victim and he's gathering a collection of mental illneses to proove this. Thing is, (and the guy's incredibly self-absorbed so doesn't notice,) slowly his network of friends are just disappearing because everyone's wised up to him and people are getting sick of dealing with the same shit over and over again. My sister, who set him up in a flat, taught him how to take care of himself and cleaned up his messes so the other flatmates didn't want to kick him out, now refuses to talk with him because he refuses to acknowledge what others have done for him and repay it in kind, ( shown, in my sister's opinion, by him not meeting me at Buenos Aires airport when I went over to South America so, tired and jetlagged, I got taken for a ride by a crooked taxi driver and stripped of all my money only to arrive and find that he hadn't even reserved a bed for me. I mean after spending a couple of months on your own overseas an one of yor best mates was flying over to meet you wouldn't you, you know, make an effort?)
About four days ago I was incredibly blunt with him, had an angry conversation where he was feeling all hard done by so I delivered some unpleasant truths, I haven't seen him or spoken with him since so Hell, maybe after 18 years the diorders have won out over our friendship. I mean I'll always leap in if the guy's in serious trouble and I have done in the past but when it's just day in day out all you're dealing with is this self-absorbed person who doesn't care about you and can't for the life of him see any bigger picture, is constantly whining about how he doesn't have a girlfriend and how he thinks he's got peredontitis and his teeth will fall out and how he has no money, (an annoying factor since he owes me about $100,) and how he's going to die sad and alone... fuck, I mean you can understand why I don't want anything to do with this guy.
Anyway that was a long rant but I neded to get that out.