i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
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Should Arizona rename itself to "Nazi-zona"?
| Yes | 28% | 28% - 13 | ||||
| No | 71% | 71% - 33 | ||||
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Wouldn't be too hard to wear a patch on your jacket indicating your religion now would it?11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
Colour coding would help too.
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Not at all, it's just not necessary. Probably because we don't have even close to a tenth of the problems the US seems to have, or the impression we get at least.
Having said that, I've always got my wallet, always have the stuff everyone has (credit card, bank card, licence, etc. etc. etc.) but the point is I could walk around, live my life and do what I want within the law and never have to worry about being "done" for having no ID on me.
Having said that, I've always got my wallet, always have the stuff everyone has (credit card, bank card, licence, etc. etc. etc.) but the point is I could walk around, live my life and do what I want within the law and never have to worry about being "done" for having no ID on me.
fuck sakes dogbertDilbert_X wrote:
Wouldn't be too hard to wear a patch on your jacket indicating your religion now would it?11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
Colour coding would help too.
The point is it was the Nazis who first instigated ID cards throughout Europe and we don't want to see it repeated, never mind the practicalities.11 Bravo wrote:
fuck sakes dogbertDilbert_X wrote:
Wouldn't be too hard to wear a patch on your jacket indicating your religion now would it?11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
Colour coding would help too.
Try asking the average european for ID and you'll get told to fuck off.
You guys don't seem so bothered.
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correct.Dilbert_X wrote:
You guys don't seem so bothered.
Strange, you're not bothered by adopting one of the key oppressive acts of the Nazis.11 Bravo wrote:
correct.Dilbert_X wrote:
You guys don't seem so bothered.
But you are bothered if I suggest having to have your religion sewn into your jacket.
Whats the difference? It'll be on your ID card already.
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i have to carry and ID cuz of my religion? thats new to me.Dilbert_X wrote:
Strange, you're not bothered by adopting one of the key oppressive acts of the Nazis.11 Bravo wrote:
correct.Dilbert_X wrote:
You guys don't seem so bothered.
But you are bothered if I suggest having to have your religion sewn into your jacket.
Whats the difference? It'll be on your ID card already.
do you not see that difference?
No, you'll be carrying ID because apparently you want to.
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i carry an id because you have to. everyone has to. they are not choosing any specific group.Dilbert_X wrote:
No, you'll be carrying ID because apparently you want to.
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Houndoom for sure.mtb0minime wrote:
Which Pokemon do you think was probably a Nazi at heart?
I dont see whats so draconian about this legislation. Its well within Arizona's rights to create legislation to control illegal immigration, especially if the feds wont/cant enforce existing federal immigration standards. Everyone is up in arms about racial profiling, but shit man, statistically the majority of illegals in Arizona are from Mexico. Thats just a fact, its not like they have a Canadian problem or something.
uhhhh since illegal immigrantion is ILLEGAL, a suspecion of it makes it a crime scene.Dilbert_X wrote:
But we're not talking about crime scenes, we're talking about the Police questioning people they think might be immigrants for that reason alone.lowing wrote:
Carrying papers or not is not hte real issue, a means to prove youtr identity is.Dilbert_X wrote:
The question was whether people are required to carry ID, I never said the Police can't check us out.
If we believe the police have no lawful reason to be stopping us and asking for our details we are free to tell them to go fuck themselves - stopping a member of the public without lawful excuse is harassment - but you have to be sure of your ground and its easy for the police to make something up.
So:
We don't have to carry ID.
We don't have to identify ourselves or answer any questions if we choose not to. Its up to the police to prove we've committed a crime and not for us to prove we haven't - unlike america.
bullshit, a cop called to a scene is going to interview those at the scene, to dermain if a crime has been committed. Stop acting as if the Aussie police have no authority over the citizens, and that they are not allowed to investigate or check the ID of people they suspect might be relevent to his investigation.
It is the same here, a cop with a reason to talk to you has the right to ask you for ID, there is no difference. By the way, yet again, you all seem to be avoiding the FACT that AZ law is nothing more than enforcing the federal law that is already on the books. You must provide ID.
You're worse than my mum, and she watches the 'Crime Channel' all day.You're wrong, shut up now.lowing wrote:
Really? you are not rewuired to carry ID at all times? Why do I doubt that?
Yeah yeah yeah, then you tell me that you are not required to ID yourself to the cops. and cops are not allowed to check you out..THat was the point I was making. YOu can tell cops to "fuck off' whenever YOU feel like oyu do not need to answer their questions...this is what I doubt.
Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're saying you know more about the two countries I've recently lived in than I do - having never even visited them.lowing wrote:
yer drifting...It has been argued that in Australia, or anywhere really, except AZ or the US, not only do you not need ID, cops are not allowed to ask you to produce ID if they suspect you are doing something illegal. like I dunno, illegally immigrating to Australia. You wanna back that up or not?Vilham wrote:
If you provide a name they can't verify with an address they will arrest you.
You gotta remember the car your driving has to be insured and registered to an address.
The argument has been, "you have no clue", and "bullocks", compelling arguments no doubt, but the intent is there I guess.
I know that except for a few situations I don't need to carry ID and the Police can't arrest me for not having ID.
YOU prove ME wrong.
You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspeciaon of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit
If yes, then there is no difference between that ande what happens here.
In Arizona, someone walking down the street minding their own businuss will not get questioned. The law states only when there is an investigation into a criminal activity are they allowed to ask for papers. Not walking down the road being brown. The way I see it, this is just Arizona telling the feds' you can't handle your responsabilities, so we will"Jaekus wrote:
He's talking about walking down the street, not being in specific places where you need authorisation, or operating a motor vehicle.
I think that should leave it as is but maybe add a little something .... Arizona - stop bitching about it
I'm not sure on this (it could be the difference between a village cop and a city cop) but i was stopped on the way back from a party (walking), copper asks me where i'm headed etc etc, asks for id (i dont have any) asks me a few more questions then lets me get on with stumbling home.lowing wrote:
Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're saying you know more about the two countries I've recently lived in than I do - having never even visited them.lowing wrote:
yer drifting...It has been argued that in Australia, or anywhere really, except AZ or the US, not only do you not need ID, cops are not allowed to ask you to produce ID if they suspect you are doing something illegal. like I dunno, illegally immigrating to Australia. You wanna back that up or not?
The argument has been, "you have no clue", and "bullocks", compelling arguments no doubt, but the intent is there I guess.
I know that except for a few situations I don't need to carry ID and the Police can't arrest me for not having ID.
YOU prove ME wrong.
You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspeciaon of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit
If yes, then there is no difference between that ande what happens here.
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so we can't do anything the nazis may have done at one time?
everyone has to carry ID =/= special armbands forced on only certain groups
everyone has to carry ID =/= special armbands forced on only certain groups
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Valid ID please. Damn foreigners.11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
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ok, and if he suspected you might have been involved in illegal activity, I am sure you would not have been let go.FatherTed wrote:
I'm not sure on this (it could be the difference between a village cop and a city cop) but i was stopped on the way back from a party (walking), copper asks me where i'm headed etc etc, asks for id (i dont have any) asks me a few more questions then lets me get on with stumbling home.lowing wrote:
Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.Dilbert_X wrote:
You're saying you know more about the two countries I've recently lived in than I do - having never even visited them.
I know that except for a few situations I don't need to carry ID and the Police can't arrest me for not having ID.
YOU prove ME wrong.
You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspicion of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit
If yes, then there is no difference between that and what happens here.
So again, when there is suspicion you are not going to be let go.....Same thing in AZ
Wow, somebody is trying to blur the line. The topic starts off with a suggestive title, then he claims he is not really comparing Arizona to Hitler and his policies in the OP, then he does compare Arizona to Nazism in his replies. Way to mock and spit on every real victim of Nazism.
Don't like her Arizona? Vote her out.
Ay dios mio!Fresh on the heels of a new immigration law that has led to calls to boycott her state, Arizona's governor has signed a bill banning ethnic studies classes that "promote resentment" of other racial groups.
Gov. Jan Brewer approved the measure without public statement Tuesday, according to state legislative records. The new law forbids elementary or secondary schools to teach classes that are "designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group" and advocate "the overthrow of the United States government" or "resentment toward a race or class of people.
Don't like her Arizona? Vote her out.
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I seriously doubt these would be the people targeted.Ilocano wrote:
Valid ID please. Damn foreigners.11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
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Pretty sure they would be able to verify the legality of their VISIT here.Ilocano wrote:
Valid ID please. Damn foreigners.11 Bravo wrote:
i know cuz it is so hard to carry a litlle card around.
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A: It was your papers kicklowing wrote:
Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.
You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspeciaon of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit
If yes, then there is no difference between that ande what happens here.
B: You don't have to ID yourself if you don't want to, but you're taking a risk.
C: If a Police officer stops you for no reason and demands ID he's taking a risk.
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police officers do not stop people for no reason.....so prety much your argument is bullshitDilbert_X wrote:
A: It was your papers kicklowing wrote:
Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.
You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspeciaon of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit
If yes, then there is no difference between that ande what happens here.
B: You don't have to ID yourself if you don't want to, but you're taking a risk.
C: If a Police officer stops you for no reason and demands ID he's taking a risk.