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nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

Covered this before. My siganture is on a LOT more in the aeronautics industry then yours bub.

I remember, what is you work, parts department?

My work is not related directly to aircraft. I have had enough experience in the matter to know that a mechanic is NOT the one that does R&D. My point is, that even though you say a soldier could not do your job, he could. All it takes is training and the decision. More bang for MY buck. But you don't see me making threads about how pointless it is for the government to take money from me, just to give to you. It is NOT a necessity for a private contracter to get 2 times the amount of money a soldier gets, just because thats the way it is.

I see, so your claim that you are in aeronautics deeper than me but you do not work on aircraft... Like I said you were in supply if I recall.

I was in fact involved in the installations of the systems for testing, and for refining the final product.

My point is soldier is not trained to do what we were doing. and are not part of the equation. the end result is to get a final working system up and running for the soldiers to use in the field, not hand it to them and hope it works....

Stop being so vague as to what you did in the aeronautical field, come out and tell us.....and lets see if you are in deeper than me "bub" or have more experience than I.

you also know dick about R and D, who do you think works on these systems while testing? Who do you think maintains test aircraft, the guys in lab coats? guess again "bub".

Last edited by lowing (2010-05-13 19:43:42)

Ilocano wrote:

lowing, not all soldiers serve the military carrying guns.  The majority are in support roles.  Military aircraft mechanics are as sharp as commercial aircraft mechanics, if not more so, since they deal with far more advanced aircrafts.  The husband of my wife's friend is such one at Edward's Air Force base.  They are not buttcrack variety.

I have been a mechanic in th military, and I have been in civilian aviation for over 20 years. Plus i have been assigned, as a civilian installingh modifications on existing aircraft, for testing as well as for refining. I know how good aircraft mechanics are or can be. I did not speak to that point.

I said front line soldiers are not involved in the modifications developed by civilian contractors. They are not exposed to the new systems until they are installed on their units aircraft.

After that, feed back over a period of months and years is gathered, and the contractor will go back refine their product and modify the system..this is how it works.

Again front line troops do not develop test mod or install new systems, thsi is a fact.

nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

Get back to us when you have a clue what you are talking about. It is EXACTLY what internal affairs does. I know, I was a deputy for 8 yrs.

so which is it, are you an aeronautical engineer or are you a cop? 

Internal affairs do not fuck with all cops in hopes they fuck up to get it on film for a big fat law suit..

I was a cop, now I'm a lawyer. My signatures are on contracts. Around $760 mil worth. Now I know what you do. You install components that others make, per their instructions, and provide some feedback. Tell me again why this could not be done cheaper by a TRAINED military aircraft mechanic?

I thought you were in aeronautics. By that dumb ass comment, all you have proven is you do not know near as much as you think you do about aviation

so what are you a lawyer drawing up contracts for aviation parts suppliers? Yeah, you are in deep "bub"?

and please do not talk about monetary worth to me, as if you owned the fuckin money. You draw up contracts worth 760 million. Big fuckin deal that ain't shit in aviation. Hell the fuckin gas we use probably costs that much. It is the cost of one airplane that those of us actually in aviation, trouble shoot and maintain daily.

Where you as a dumb fuck fail to see is an airplane is a machine, it breaks down, and more and more the problems are in the computers and wiring and avionics. We work in measurements of 1000ths of an inch. Our work is precise and we must sign for it and sign that an aircraft is airworthy, but again all you are is a fuckin lawyer that draws up contracts. only thing below you is a fuckin car salesmen.

It could be done by anyone that has been trained, dumb fuck...Hell anyone can be a lawyer as well if they were trained. Fact is, the first F-18's were not flown by military personnel, they were flown and maintained by civilian workers, The first Boeing 777 was not flown by an airline pilot, it was flown by a Boeing pilot. this is nothing new dip shit, it has always been that way. but what would you know about it, all you are is a blood sucking lawyer that signs contracts and like to pretend that they are in aviation.

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nlsme1 wrote:

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

I was a cop, now I'm a lawyer. My signatures are on contracts. Around $760 mil worth. Now I know what you do. You install components that others make, per their instructions, and provide some feedback. Tell me again why this could not be done cheaper by a TRAINED military aircraft mechanic?

I thought you were in aeronautics. By that dumb ass comment, all you have proven is you do not know near as much as you think you do about aviation

so what are you a lawyer drawing up contracts for aviation parts suppliers? Yeah, you are in deep "bub"?

and please do not talk about monetary worth to me, as if you owned the fuckin money. You draw up contracts worth 760 million. Big fuckin deal. That is the cost of one airplane that those of us actually in aviation, trouble shoot and maintain daily.

Can't answer my one question. You turn a wrench, and fill out some paperwork. You don't design anything. You, don't manufacture anything. You put on parts per others instructions, and provide feedback via their questionnaire. Does this some up your job description? As far as MY experience, maybe I should give you another piece of my resume. Those signatures are also on thousands of aircraft, you multiply the Worth of the entire aircraft(what you are trying to do), and that number grows.. I have dealt with EVERY major manufacturer. Seen their R@D departments on their little tours they give. I would say I know more about the costs companies endure more then a "mechanic", considering that's what contracts deal with, costs.

I did answer your question, I called you a dumb fuck for asking it....For if you were in aviation, you would never have asked such a thing.

I am not an engineer dip shit, engineers design, machinists and  mechanics work with those designs and build the systems and installs them on the aircraft. Then they are tested, any failures are redesigned and modifications are made to the systems and the aircraft. All done by mechanics. Then when it passes it is installed on the delivery aircraft, and the older ones are retro-fitted, all done by mechanics. Then the front line mechanics are trained in maintaining the new system. This includes the military. Aircraft mechanics are harldy grease monkeys as you imply, but again, if you were in avation you would know that.

Get back behind your desk poser, where you belong and sign something.

Last edited by lowing (2010-05-13 20:32:39)

So ALL you do is install parts and report back. Okay, now I see why only a private contracer can do your job.

nlsme1 wrote:

So ALL you do is install parts and report back. Okay, now I see why only a private contracer can do your job.

Is reading required to be a lawyer? Again, if this is what you think then you are not in aviation as much as you appear to wish you were.

lowing wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

So ALL you do is install parts and report back. Okay, now I see why only a private contracer can do your job.

Is reading required to be a lawyer? Again, if this is what you think then you are not in aviation as much as you appear to wish you were.

I was just trying to figure out why you insisted millitary could not do your job. For that I need to make sure you weren't more then a "mechanic".

DOD is a little vague when it comes to the point you are trying to make.


For whoever gave the karma. Some keep their options open. The only thing I have yet to do is family. At least for anybody else. My clients know "I'm" their lawyer.

Last edited by nlsme1 (2010-05-13 20:54:47)

lowing wrote:

We work in measurements of 1000ths of an inch.

Inches
Let me know when you're working in fractions of a micron.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-05-13 22:37:30)

put it this way, if contractors werent so heavily relied on today, there would be absolutely no question as to whether this nation adopts conscription again.

im all for the draft.  im outside the realm of eligibility.

ruisleipa wrote:

so fucking what? so CTV cameras shouldn't be used unless they are only directed at specific individuals? bullshit.

what difference does it make so long as it deters people from breaking the law.

and again, you are merely assuming that they are doing it in the hope of getting some money - a totally unfounded and paranoid assertion (as usual).

How would they get any money anyway unless the cops did something to THEM? Surely the person who would get the money should be the one who is wronged, not the one filming.

If you're bothered about money being invovled you should be railing against the legal system r.e. lawsuits not people who catch cops BREAKING THE FUCKING LAW.