BF2S Forums Israelis raid "Aid" Convoy

ruisleipa wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

It certainly sounded like there were a lot of Westerners on it, at least according to posts made by anti-Israeli members earlier in the thread.

Which posts?

what difference does it make anyway?

A couple by Cameron Poe and others.

The implications are kind of obvious. Doesn't it make a stronger statement for these activists if Israel perpetrates the "heinous act" on the property of a country that is ostensibly their ally?

I meant 'a lot', but 'a few', in the sense that they are a substantive minority, works sufficiently. The point was that the activists were mostly (if not uniformly) anti-Israel but, not a majority Turk in nationality, and thus it seems interesting they would choose to flag their vessel with a nation which perfectly makes a political statement supporting their anti-Israeli efforts, as well as undermines Israel's standing with its supporters in the region.

I'd like the Israelis to explain why they are blockading cement and 75% of the food the Gazans need.

ghettoperson wrote:

Because they're douchebags. I don't have a problem with them searching convoys for weapons, because obviously if they don't have weapons they can't fight each other. But there's no reason to starve the people.

they aren't searching the convoy dude, they're enforcing the blockade.

And to be fair to the Israelis, no people who totally surround an area let that area have all that it needs.

oug wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

oug wrote:

What exactly does happen? Correct me if I'm wrong but in all these years I don't think Israel's plans for the region and the conflict have ever been compromised in any way. Israel always did what it wanted despite what might be voiced by other nations. In fact, lol, forget its enemies! Not even the US - it's closest ally - has ever been able to impose its will in the rare occasions when the two disagreed on anything.
And as for the AP guy, please. Don't even get me started on how the israeli side controls practically the entire flow of information from the western media.

Anything and everything linked with Israel is always termed as them being the aggressor, even in the instances when they are attacked first, and rightfully utilise self-defence. Then these events are used to incite violence by the usual Jews r evil crowd. It may have shit on its sheets, but its not the only party doing bad things out there - something you might not know from a lot of media reports.

Wow obviously I've missed 10 pages of discussion... sorry about the backtrack... but honestly how ridiculous must you feel right now... What exactly are you trying to justify here? The Israelis are running an illegal blockade on the Gaza strip and when activists from Turkey, Greece and other neutral countries try to bring in supplies for the 2 million people who are made to suffer, they get boarded while still in international waters by IDF commandos, they get shot at because they were supposedly armed with cuttlery and then they are illegally held in Israel.
I mean what the fuck must happen for you to agree that Israel is wrong here?

M.O.A.B wrote:

By the way, got any evidence of Israel manipulating all of western media? Considering some of their own news outlets voice condemnation at times without issue.

Yes actually you're in luck. Recently Vanunu was imprisoned yet again for 3 months and it made the news. What didn't make the news AGAIN was the double standards with which the international community is handling the issue of nuclear weapons of Iran and Israel.

I suggest you go and read a little closer, because I haven't said anywhere that Israel is in the right, just like the flotilla. What I have pointed out are the bits you can't seem to comprehend. First off, many of those involved in the flotilla were armed with knives, hammers, clubs and prepared to attack and brutally, hardly a peaceful selection; second, the food and medical aid was going to be passed on anyway but that was turned down; third, the commandos were carrying paintball guns with real weapons as a backup. The second they hit the deck they were being clubbed, and I sincerely doubt those doing the clubbing would have stopped before they killed them. If someone was beating me with a metal pole with an apparent intent to kill and I had a gun, I'd use it.

Israel isn't in the right for engaging the flotilla and the flotilla isn't in the right for being provocative. Its pretty obvious that when Israel say's its going to intercept you, they're going to intercept you. So the way I look at it is like this: The flotilla was offered to have its cargo transferred without issue, minus the cement (which isn't a bare necessity to begin with when compared to food or medical supplies), rejected the offer and decided to steam on knowing pretty much full well what was going to happen.

Macbeth wrote:

I have been reading on other forums slight chatter about how the U.N. Charter allows them to board the ship in international waters if they think its carrying weapons or supplies into a blockaded area. I have to look it up later.

Yep. We blockaded Haiti about twenty years ago and no one said 'Boo'.

Hahaha... US blocks call for international investigation, and then says that Israel should lead any investigation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju … um=twitter

That would've been worse, at least they say they tried to go on board and sort things out rather than kill everyone straight away on first sight

eleven bravo wrote:

but it could have been blamed on syria or something

and their certainly wouldn't have been an international investigation into the incident like how they did with the north korean attack (US/UK/Sweden and some other country) so they probably would have got away with it

Mekstizzle wrote:

Hahaha... US blocks call for international investigation, and then says that Israel should lead any investigation.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/ju … um=twitter

Heh, I wonder if "Jewish Lobby" had anything to do with that decision.

I'm sure the Israeli investigation will be completely open and transparent...

Macbeth wrote:

I have been reading on other forums slight chatter about how the U.N. Charter allows them to board the ship in international waters if they think its carrying weapons or supplies into a blockaded area. I have to look it up later.

Yeah, as RDX said 'Hostis humani generis'