BF2S Forums Fire Helen Thomas??

she looks like she shoulda been a corpse back when reagan was in power

Shahter wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

I see the anti-semite card got played pretty quickly, which in the context of her comments is a bit inaccurate although her comments are fairly controversial and irrational. It's sixty years too late for her suggestion. Plus free speech comes with a 'pay for what you say' when you are employed by those whose revenues could be dented by your comments, that's life.

wow very understanding of you.  now if lowing had said that but about arabs, i bet your response and the response of others would be different.

you just had to step into it, hadn't you? our good friend lowing there never bashes arabs - not when he actually reads what he typed in before hitting "post" anyway - he bashes islam. you undestand the difference, don't you?
but if you look at what thomas said you'll see that there's nothing religious, cultural or racial about it - that's the point cam was trying to make. palestine is occupied by israel - that's a fact she was talking about. the "anti-semite" bullshit has absolutely been manufactured.

Actually, what you say would've been true had she not said, "They need to go back home." And when asked "Where is home?", answered "Poland, Germany, America". She was clearly talking about Jews at that point. That's where she crossed the line from talking about the nation-state of Israel to talking about the religious group of Jews. There was nothing manufactured about that--those were her words (more or less).

Had she stuck with the "occupation" theme, her comments probably wouldn't have been labeled anti-Semitic.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Had she stuck with the "occupation" theme, her comments probably wouldn't have been labeled anti-Semitic.

But the fact is it IS predominantly jews, lets say 99.9%, who have settled in Israel and displaced the Palestinians - basically because Israeli law gives ONLY jews the right to do that.

If no-one is allowed to discuss this then the people who manipulate the perception of anti-semitism for their own benefit have won, same as the American blacks who yell "racis'" at every opportunity do and which you gripe about.

The Jews in Israel today were mostly born in Israel. Not Germany, Poland, and America.

She essentially said Israel shouldn't exist and that the Jews should "go home". That is a non-starter argument.

People are fully allowed to discuss/criticize/hail Israeli policies WRT the Palestinians to their heart's content. That is not what she did.

To use your "blacks in America" analogy, it would be the same as if someone were to say "all the blacks need to go back home to Africa" or "all the hispanics need to go back home to Mexico" or "all the Muslims need to go back home to the Middle East" or "all the white folk need to go back home to Europe". All those groups have been here for generations, and even if they haven't, and even if they are dealing with problems, the solution isn't to just implement a "final solution" and get rid of the side you don't agree with.

FEOS wrote:

That is a non-starter argument.

Was she asked to give an arguement or an opinion?

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Dilbert_X wrote:

Don't see how what she said was anti-semitic particularly, any more than saying the US doesn't want illegal Mexican immigration is racist, or something should be done about black unemployment is racist.

I already made the analogies that apply. Yours don't.

FEOS wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

FEOS wrote:

That is a non-starter argument.

Was she asked to give an arguement or an opinion?

An opinion is an argument--at least one side of one.

no, not really.

FEOS wrote:

Shahter wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

wow very understanding of you.  now if lowing had said that but about arabs, i bet your response and the response of others would be different.

you just had to step into it, hadn't you? our good friend lowing there never bashes arabs - not when he actually reads what he typed in before hitting "post" anyway - he bashes islam. you undestand the difference, don't you?
but if you look at what thomas said you'll see that there's nothing religious, cultural or racial about it - that's the point cam was trying to make. palestine is occupied by israel - that's a fact she was talking about. the "anti-semite" bullshit has absolutely been manufactured.

Actually, what you say would've been true had she not said, "They need to go back home." And when asked "Where is home?", answered "Poland, Germany, America". She was clearly talking about Jews at that point. That's where she crossed the line from talking about the nation-state of Israel to talking about the religious group of Jews. There was nothing manufactured about that--those were her words (more or less).

Had she stuck with the "occupation" theme, her comments probably wouldn't have been labeled anti-Semitic.

AussieReaper wrote:

Freedom of speech anyone?

Although, I don't disagree with her comments, she has every right to say them.

And even if she is part of the media, her comments aren't that dissimilar to O'Reilly or any of the shock jocks from either end of the political spectrum when they talk about Muslims.

white house reporter is a little different than a talk show host.

its funny you agree yet you would jump on people if we said all muslims should go back to the ME.

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-06-10 02:45:53)

AussieReaper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

white house reporter is a little different than a talk show host.

Doesn't mean she loses her rights to free speech, especially considering it was her personal opinion that was asked for. Her views are clearly in no way shape or form that of the White House. She reports, she doesn't express White House opinion as a politician.

she didnt lose her right to free speech.  she works for a company.  she aint her own boss.  thats life.  you can say what you want, but have to suffer the consequences.

11 Bravo wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

white house reporter is a little different than a talk show host.

Doesn't mean she loses her rights to free speech, especially considering it was her personal opinion that was asked for. Her views are clearly in no way shape or form that of the White House. She reports, she doesn't express White House opinion as a politician.

she didnt lose her right to free speech.  she works for a company.  she aint her own boss.  thats life.  you can say what you want, but have to suffer the consequences.

And how about your comments about muslims and people dying in fires getting reported to your boss?
I'm sure there's something an airline wouldn't want its employees saying.

11 Bravo wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

she didnt lose her right to free speech.  she works for a company.  she aint her own boss.  thats life.  you can say what you want, but have to suffer the consequences.

And how about your comments about muslims and people dying in fires getting reported to your boss?
I'm sure there's something an airline wouldn't want its employees saying.

ya thats the same as a white house reporter.

and i am sure most people on here who say most the stuff they say wouldnt want most people to know what they say.  stupid example.  reach some more.

Especially with her position and being asked by a journalist...

Shahter wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Shahter wrote:

you just had to step into it, hadn't you? our good friend lowing there never bashes arabs - not when he actually reads what he typed in before hitting "post" anyway - he bashes islam. you undestand the difference, don't you?
but if you look at what thomas said you'll see that there's nothing religious, cultural or racial about it - that's the point cam was trying to make. palestine is occupied by israel - that's a fact she was talking about. the "anti-semite" bullshit has absolutely been manufactured.

Actually, what you say would've been true had she not said, "They need to go back home." And when asked "Where is home?", answered "Poland, Germany, America". She was clearly talking about Jews at that point. That's where she crossed the line from talking about the nation-state of Israel to talking about the religious group of Jews. There was nothing manufactured about that--those were her words (more or less).

Had she stuck with the "occupation" theme, her comments probably wouldn't have been labeled anti-Semitic.

she never used the word "jew", not once. she was talking about israel and its occupation of palestine. there are people in israel that aren't jews and there are jews in this world that aren't israelis.

FEOS wrote:

Actually, what you say would've been true had she not said, "They need to go back home." And when asked "Where is home?", answered "Poland, Germany, America". She was clearly talking about Jews at that point. That's where she crossed the line from talking about the nation-state of Israel to talking about the religious group of Jews. There was nothing manufactured about that--those were her words (more or less).

Had she stuck with the "occupation" theme, her comments probably wouldn't have been labeled anti-Semitic.

Dilbert_X wrote:

The Israelis have made their bed, a bloody, racist, monotheistic, apartheid bed, now they have to lie in it.

why dont the germans have to lay in that bed also then?  eh?  pffffttt........this is a joke.  you guys are such anti-sem's it is sad.