Win 7 =/= Win XP

2010-06-14 14:15:58

#1

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

[Please read the OP first - i'm looking for serious replies, thanks.]

After five years of running XP on our work machines, our company has decided to go to Win 7, after we determined the upcoming service pack is nothing more than minor fixes. We run two different CADD platforms, and a few dozen different apps besides the basic install (Office 2007, etc.)

i felt we had not beta tested enough, and although so far so good the latest client machines really aren't the workstations we have in production.

besides home use, anyone else deploying Win 7? What apps are you running?

Last edited by burnzz (2010-06-14 14:21:08)

2010-06-14 14:25:22

#2

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6907

You're the first I've heard of actually, most companies are fucking dinosaurs when it comes to IT.

2010-06-14 14:30:11

#3

presidentsheep: Back to the Fuhrer; +208|6219|Places 'n such

Surely the licence for that cost a few gajillion dollars? I don't see why 7 would be better than XP for use in a company? Or am I just stoopit.

I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.

2010-06-14 14:33:01

#4

King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6855|Seattle

We're still running XP. The county won't upgrade until MS stops supporting and selling XP, forcing us to upgrade.

I'm curious to see how this goes. Good luck Burnzzy. I've heard nothing but good things about 7.

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it

2010-06-14 14:35:50

#5

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

Most of our fleet are Dell. We started buying laptops from them six years ago, and they won our desktop business too. These machines come with an OS - while we could get XP pre-installed, our company decided now was the time. presidentsheep, we have a volume license for Office 2007, not for Windows. It would make my job alot easier if we had a volume license for the OS, then i would just image the machines instead of scripting them.

2010-06-14 14:43:05

#6

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,979|6890|949

we use 7 at my work, upgraded about 2 months ago, although it's a pretty bare-bones install save for our in-house disty software/db and a few other programs. It runs well, be prepared for a bunch of people complaining that their menus and toolbars have changed (if that's the tech support side you are on).

There were a few programs/versions that weren't compatible with win7 that we had to just find ways around because the company is too cheap to buy the newer (win7 compatible) versions. Hopefully your company isn't as cheap. Fucking hate using MS Access

2010-06-14 14:49:13

#7

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Fucking hate using MS Access

We have half a dozen users that use Access for data input into the state road way system.
i'm technically level 2 support and phone/PC/server hardware admin. not a big staff . . . one thing i have heard from our CADD techs - the core i7's rock, and when we upgrade them i hope the drivers are solid.

2010-06-14 14:52:37

#8

King_County_Downy: shitfaced; +2,791|6855|Seattle

That's another thing here, we currently use roughly 2000 applications.

That's right. 2fucking thousand.

What are the chances that those old dinasaur programs will run on 7? HAH! We're fucked when that change does come. We can't even push out Windows updates without at least a month of testing.

Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it

2010-06-14 14:53:42

#9

liquidat0r: wtf.; +2,223|6885|UK

Doesn't Windows 7 have a mode/feature/thingy where you can run XP era software?

2010-06-14 14:57:27

#10

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

yes - i haven't tried it out wholesale yet. apparently it doesn't like MSI installers, and you have to enable it everytime you want to run in compatability mode, from what i can see. . .

2010-06-14 15:09:49

#11

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6647

What CAD?

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2010-06-14 15:12:13

#12

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

Autodesk AutoCad 2008, 09, 10, and MicroStation

2010-06-14 15:16:49

#13

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6647

You're running AutoCad '08 and '09 in Win7 or Win7 XP mode?

2010-06-14 15:19:30

#14

rdx-fx: ...; +955|6849

Pro/Engineer on win7 here.

I've been using Win7 since early beta, and it seems much more stable than WinXP.

2010-06-14 15:19:58

#15

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

i haven't released either to production yet. the core i-7's the CADD dept. has are AutoDesk certified for Civil 3D 2009 on windows XP.
i've installed 08 and 09 on Win 7 only on C2D machines.

2010-06-14 15:52:38

#16

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6647

burnzz wrote:
i've installed 08 and 09 on Win 7 only on C2D machines.

Do they have to run in XP mode?

2010-06-14 15:53:21

#17

TheEternalPessimist: Wibble; +412|6878|Mhz

Were in the midst of testing Win7 before we deploy it network wide, so far the only problems we have had are some fucking dumb things regarding DFS and it's patchy as fuck with the printers we have running off our print server, only works with about 25 of the 60 we have on the site.

2010-06-14 16:18:53

#18

Ilocano: buuuurrrrrrppppp.......; +341|6925

As long as you are using 32 bit Windows 7 (64 bit W7 can't run 16bit apps), you should be OK with all but DOS apps. You might have to go VMware for those apps.

2010-06-14 16:28:15

#19

CammRobb: Banned; +1,510|6388|Carnoustie MASSIF

burnzz wrote:
i haven't released either to production yet. the core i-7's the CADD dept. has are AutoDesk certified for Civil 3D 2009 on windows XP.
i've installed 08 and 09 on Win 7 only on C2D machines.

Hmm, I thought they'd be running W Xeons..

2010-06-14 17:07:02

#20

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6781|...

We are allowed to run it, but most of us just use server 2003 or 2008 for our dev boxes.

For the business people, all of the apps they use (5000-10000 size company) are web based anyway and are not really affected by the os. Just the same I don't hear about any kind of a rollout.

2010-06-16 09:48:14

#21

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

we have win7 on some of our faculty and staff machines. since it's a university environment, there isn't a whole ton of control we need to exert on the machines. people can basically install whatever they want (malware included). so far, the only real difference i've noticed with 7 is the huge amount of network chatter these machines put out. for some reason, there is like 10 times the amount of network cross-talk from the 7 machines compared to the xp systems. it hasn't caused any real problems yet, and it could be something on the network end of things... i just find it a bit curious.

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2010-06-16 10:33:18

#22

13urnzz: Banned; +5,830|6755

steelie34 wrote:
so far, the only real difference i've noticed with 7 is the huge amount of network chatter these machines put out. .

i do a reg tweak that quiets them down, but - we are a Novell shop for now. until the last client i had to kill the IPX . . .

2010-06-16 11:36:57

#23

steelie34: pub hero!; +603|6639|the land of bourbon

burnzz wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
so far, the only real difference i've noticed with 7 is the huge amount of network chatter these machines put out. .
i do a reg tweak that quiets them down, but - we are a Novell shop for now. until the last client i had to kill the IPX . . .

even using straight up ipv4, with all the ipv6 stuff removed, and just the client for MS networking, they send a ton of dhcp ack messages. way more than they should. they seem to be polling the network an awful lot like they are trying to discover other devices. it reminds me of what happens when that stupid apple bonjour protocol is enabled on a network.

the networking does annoy me a bit in the win7 world, as well as the extra layer of file sharing you have to go through to create a simple file share. it works all the same, you just have to click more to achieve the same result. guess that's just a 'value added' feature

2010-06-16 12:38:32

#24

mikkel: Member; +383|6859

steelie34 wrote:
burnzz wrote:
steelie34 wrote:
so far, the only real difference i've noticed with 7 is the huge amount of network chatter these machines put out. .
i do a reg tweak that quiets them down, but - we are a Novell shop for now. until the last client i had to kill the IPX . . .
even using straight up ipv4, with all the ipv6 stuff removed, and just the client for MS networking, they send a ton of dhcp ack messages. way more than they should. they seem to be polling the network an awful lot like they are trying to discover other devices. it reminds me of what happens when that stupid apple bonjour protocol is enabled on a network.

Windows 7 is a mess of unsolicited UPnP and NetBIOS, and the associated LLMNR noise, as well as the odd encrypted file sharing connection. I've never seen an OS put out so much junk while sitting idle.

2010-06-16 17:13:02

#25

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6364|eXtreme to the maX

ghettoperson wrote:
You're the first I've heard of actually, most companies are fucking dinosaurs when it comes to IT.

Well, most companies like stable systems which work, they don't upgrade unless there is a pressing need.
In my experience it takes a good year for many CAD suppliers to get each annual release fixed.

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