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2006-04-29 14:59:21
~Solar~Fire~
Member
+45|7128|Austin, TX

PheloniusRM wrote:

Yes that is also altering the mechanics of the game. Why do you think they added IAR requirements to badges? Because the numbers they chose correspond to a level of difficulty based on time. If you can have increased time to achieve the IAR requirement then you are also having an advantage in gaining awards, the same as a pistol/knife server.
I can understand that it could possibly be considered stat-padding to get some awards on a high-points server like expert first aid or resupply. This is what you are probably trying to talk about and I can understand that.

But for others such as "play for 33 minutes IAR," there is no possible way one single player can control that. This is more of what I was thinking about.
2006-04-29 15:00:52
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|7061
I just recently got my veteran knife badge, and it really wasnt that difficult to get in a real server - the expert will pose a bit of a challenge im sure, but its just a case of 'right place right time' i reckon - and a pistol/knife server is making your OWN 'right place right time' and so shouldnt be allowed....
2006-04-29 15:09:43
Gaming_101
Member
+1|7116
I went in a pistol/knife server (which i left straight away) and the admin said to use a rifle every now and then.
2006-04-29 15:15:37
0ktane
Negative Ping
+55|7247|Arizona
I really don't care who believes me, I got my expert knife on a regular server.  Don't really matter to me who believes me, just matters that I know the truth, and I'm proud of it.

But I still don't see a difference between ppl playing in a round restricted to only knives and pistols, and ppl playing in a 16 player game on a 64 player map for higher points for higher ranks.  I just say If you bitch at the knife thing and not the other, you are a hypocrite.  They are the same, principle wise.

Last edited by 0ktane (2006-04-29 15:17:23)

2006-04-29 15:20:14
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|7061
I think the point might be this:

-Is a 16 player map a built-in option for the game...... YES.

-Is a knife/pistol only server a built-in option for the game...... NO.

See what I mean?
2006-04-29 15:39:38
137[CSi]
Headshot Specialist
+104|7318|Woodland Hills, Ca
if you work together as a team with some friends not one badge is hard to obtain besides the ones that require actual skill like armor, aviator, and helicopter.

AA and the like are somewhat a gray area for me.

I've played in high point servers, pistol and knife servers, probably 2 and had fun mowing people down in a tank listening to everyone cry about me cheating while they;re trying to earn their stupid badges lol.

IMO nothing is fun like crashing a party.
2006-04-29 16:03:23
FFLink
There is.
+1,380|7172|Devon, England

MaddOps wrote:

It was a lot of fun to do pistols only and watching a large pack of guys go at it
ROFL!

omg this made me laugh so much, u big gay...





btw im only jkn about they gay thing so dont take it to heart...
2006-04-29 16:15:20
petethecheese
Member
+9|7244|England

PheloniusRM wrote:

Anyone who claims to have gotten an expert pistol or expert knife on a regular server is totally, absolutely, utterly full of shit. So get off the high horse. I await all the replies of people who "really did get it on a real server"........
I got my expert knife & pistols in regular games (32 players on 64 map size).  Both on Karkand, both involved a lot of trying, effort and frustration and a K: D ratio that would make you weep.  I have scrren shots to prove it, too, but don't assume they're impossible legitimately because you're not skilled enough to get them

Last edited by petethecheese (2006-04-29 16:16:17)

2006-04-29 19:56:58
[J5]Dirrty.Magic
Member
+35|7164

PheloniusRM wrote:

Anyone who claims to have gotten an expert pistol or expert knife on a regular server is totally, absolutely, utterly full of shit. So get off the high horse. I await all the replies of people who "really did get it on a real server"........
I'm one of those people. And you sir, are fucking wrong.

I earned both my expert pistol and expert knife on regular servers. I got expert pistol on a 3/4 full 64 size server and my expert knife on a half full 64 man (Team Wonderful's server, I believe). I put forth alot of effort to get these badges, and rightly so. If it seems the IAR requirements are too high, you might just not yet be experienced enough to get them. Expert badges are not to be earned by n00bs, thus the name "expert." Tactics are a large part of getting these awards, and you learn them as you play.
2006-04-29 21:29:56
meowmix4jo
Member
+5|7065
This would include but not limited to:

    * § Knife-Pistol-Revive
    * § Knife-Pistol only Servers
    * § Knife only Servers
    * § High Points Servers

keep reading after knifes...high points isnt allowed either
2006-05-02 00:18:00
Polux
H@x ?? No, just skill baby !
+73|7128|I smell corners
0ktane wrote:
Iam not for or against the postol/knife only servers.  I just have one question.  If they are not allowed, and everyone is against them...then why don't ppl bitch and complain about 16 player servers with only 64 player maps being ran?  Obviously, that means high points, longermap.  Oh no...someone will get a rank quicker.  Why isn't anyone getting mad about that?  What's the difference beteween getting higher rank...and getting some expert badges?  It's just a game, why not let ppl play how they like?  I'm sure someone gonna reply tothis and say..."They can't play those knife servers cuz it's just against EA's rules."  Wow...now ppl are on EA's side.  If that's anyones only defense to this, go find more of a reason to bitch.    Thank you. 



WOW....just my words......karma +1
2006-05-02 00:38:14
scouseclarky
Member
+10|7062
i can understand y ppl say it is stat padding but so is playing 64 player maps with 16-20 ppl. i am not against pistol and knives servers as i belive that if the person has paid for there server they should have the right to play any kind of game they choose even if it was shock paddles or vehiclaes only. Its there money there server there choice. i have my expert knife but i erned it on 32 player warlord coz in the palace when the teams have a flag each it is actually quite easy to get but i dont care how other ppl get there badges it dosnt affect my score.
2006-05-02 00:57:22
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7162|Disaster Free Zone

PheloniusRM wrote:

Anyone who claims to have gotten an expert pistol or expert knife on a regular server is totally, absolutely, utterly full of shit. So get off the high horse. I await all the replies of people who "really did get it on a real server"........
Ahhh the words of an ignorant noob with no skill, Anyone who got there knife, pitol badges on a knife pistol server didnt earn anything except veteran combat "kit". These badges are possible and probably easiest in a full 64 player infantry map (kark, sharqi, mashtuur, warlord). And if you think its impossible its only because you suck.

scouseclarky wrote:

i am not against pistol and knives servers as i belive that if the person has paid for there server they should have the right to play any kind of game they choose even if it was shock paddles or vehiclaes only. Its there money there server there choice.
Yes they bought the game and can play/run on ANY UNRANKED server they wish and do whatever they want, but if they wont to play on a ranked servers they must follow the set of rules that is given to them by EA and the then by the server admins.
Its like owning a car. You buy a car you can do whatever you want with it on your own property (drink drive speed, etc. etc.) But as soon as you use it on public roads you must obey the rules.

meowmix4jo wrote:

This would include but not limited to:

    * § Knife-Pistol-Revive
    * § Knife-Pistol only Servers
    * § Knife only Servers
    * § High Points Servers

keep reading after knifes...high points isnt allowed either
My understanding of high points servers is they increase the ticket ratios. But having 16 on 64map may also be disallowed. But then theres always the 64 on 64map servers which have like 10-20 people in them anyway and you cant ban them just because others leave or dont join.


Also trying to get knife kills on 64 player maps with 16 people is harder then a full server. Thats BS you may say but think about it. Take into consideration karkand, in a 64 player map theres 6 armor vechiles and countless transports, meaning everyone could be in a vechile therefore imposible to knife, sharqi has 3 armor and 2 choppers, oman has 4 palnes, 2 choppers, 7 armors (may be wrong as dont play oman much). But do you get my point, the rounds may last along time but everyone has his own vechile means knifing/pistol opotunitys are rare. and as some one eles said you may get bigger scores but it also takes longer, so your SPM isnt improved so the only thing i can think you could possibly be stat padding is 100 best round score (which is isnt hard anyway).

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-05-02 01:16:52)

2006-05-02 08:34:29
pure_beef_69
Banned
+186|7127
Read My Post On How They Should Be Allowed!
2006-05-02 08:52:51
tahadar
Sniper!!
+183|7219|Pakistan/England
the servers are not aloud because if they were loud, everybody including EA would find out they exist and they would be shut down. that is why they arent aloud. why they arent *allowed*, however, an another story
2006-05-02 08:58:04
Breez
AKA: badhq
+937|7113|Derby, England

Hi poingt Servers are Allowed EA simply cant BAN anyone cas they changed 16 player map to 64 player MAP as long as they dont put any restrictions on weapons or vhiecles it's all good

Peace Boris
2006-05-02 10:02:50
Bigwrm
I want my money, or my bud!
+33|7140

[J5]Dirrty.Magic wrote:

PheloniusRM wrote:

Anyone who claims to have gotten an expert pistol or expert knife on a regular server is totally, absolutely, utterly full of shit. So get off the high horse. I await all the replies of people who "really did get it on a real server"........
I'm one of those people. And you sir, are fucking wrong.

I earned both my expert pistol and expert knife on regular servers. I got expert pistol on a 3/4 full 64 size server and my expert knife on a half full 64 man (Team Wonderful's server, I believe). I put forth alot of effort to get these badges, and rightly so. If it seems the IAR requirements are too high, you might just not yet be experienced enough to get them. Expert badges are not to be earned by n00bs, thus the name "expert." Tactics are a large part of getting these awards, and you learn them as you play.
LOL I love people like him that fail at the game so hard they can not accept the reality of their own sucking. 

   It took me 10 rounds of whoring,  But I finally got my expert knife months ago in a lucky round.  Sometimes you are just in the zone with the knife and can shank people like crazy.  Other times you cant stab a fucking guy laying prone afk in 6 tries. 

   The hardest one for me was Expert C4.  3 rounds in a row I missed it.  Once 35,  then 34 then 36.  I almost sent my comp to the after life.  But the very next round,  with some luck and a whole lotta of bunny hopping c4 chucking faggotry,  I got it. 

   So ya,  If you think that gold knife/pistol cant be dont on a regular server,  you are a moron.  A moron that cant aim with a knife or pistol.
2006-05-02 10:12:19
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|7061

pure_beef_69 wrote:

Read My Post On How They Should Be Allowed!
That's where all the capital letters went...
2006-05-02 11:05:44
nodehopper
Member
+56|7113
I posted on the "High Points Server" issue just a couple weeks ago. If you read through this thread

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=21604

you will find comments on what makes a "High Points Server" legal under the ROE and what would cause it to be against the ROE.
2006-05-02 11:23:52
=NAA=Slyfox
Member
+3|7127
So I joined a 16 player 64 map Knife and Pistol only server the other night, and let me tell you, it was some of the most fun I've had in BF2, and i've played a ton of games. The reason it was fun was because myself and two of my clanmates, and 10 other people, actually followed "suggested" rules, and those who didn't well, we initiated a successful vote kick each time. Soon, all of the people using anything but knife and pistol were votekicked off, and we had ourselves a 2 hours knife and pistol match on Leviathan. One of the best rounds I've ever played. There weren't n00bs tk'ing, everyone was working together and having fun.

Now, how is this different from any other game? It's not. Any way you look at it, it's not different. We decided only to use 2 weapons EA gave us and there was no admin on the site kicking/banning people for not going by the "suggested" rules. The votekick worked just fine, and as people came into the game, they eventually followed along and joined in the fun. So, the highest score in the game was one of my clanmates, with 286. He worked HARD to get that score, with 100 something kills and 30 deaths. How is that stat padding, or different from any other game where people do nothing but Chopper, Plane, or Commander whore? It's not.

All of you people who are so f'ing worried about getting points and getting badges really need to get a life. ITS A GAME. Before the game came out, you weren't worried about getting points, so why should you be now? I believe EA has all of you under thier spell, and I think it's rather funny. Yes, I may have 106,000+ points, but I play the game cause it's fun, and enjoy my time playing. I say, the knife and pistols only servers should remain, in fact, I want to see more servers like it, like:

1) Sniper kits only server
2) Vehicles only server
3) Organized Knife Fights in odd places (pools, ditches, on tops of cranes)
4) AT Kits only server

...and so on. Anyone agree?
2006-05-02 11:49:13
Torin
Member
+52|7173

=NAA=Slyfox wrote:

I say, the knife and pistols only servers should remain, in fact, I want to see more servers like it, like:

1) Sniper kits only server
2) Vehicles only server
3) Organized Knife Fights in odd places (pools, ditches, on tops of cranes)
4) AT Kits only server

...and so on. Anyone agree?
No, in fact, I think you should have your stats reset for stat padding.
2006-05-02 12:08:15
lynxlyran
Member
+15|7125
"3) Organized Knife Fights in odd places (pools, ditches, on tops of cranes)"

This would be awesome. +1 for you.

Imagine, no stabbing unless your in the pool. Or on the top of the crane. Or in the railcar.

Makes me think of West Side Story.

KP ranked servers are cool. There is no way in hell anybody gets an expert knife on a full 16 or 32 server. 64 with a lot of luck. 90% of you so called honorable solders did it on a high points or near empty 64 server which is statpadding just like anything else.

Show me video of you getting 18 knife kills on a 16 man server and I'll stfu and hail you as expert. IT CAN'T BE DONE!


Edit: Oh AT3am_Murd0ch, don't go getting 18 kills on a K/P server either. Whoever can do it, I will put their stats on my home page and start a golden blade club for anyone who can.

Last edited by lynxlyran (2006-05-02 13:57:21)

2006-05-02 12:10:38
AT3am_Murd0ch
Member
+15|7061

Torin wrote:

=NAA=Slyfox wrote:

I say, the knife and pistols only servers should remain, in fact, I want to see more servers like it, like:

1) Sniper kits only server
2) Vehicles only server
3) Organized Knife Fights in odd places (pools, ditches, on tops of cranes)
4) AT Kits only server

...and so on. Anyone agree?
No, in fact, I think you should have your stats reset for stat padding.
...and, if fun is what you are after, go and do that on an unranked server - anyone can run one - i can run a dedicated server and even play on it at the same time, and so can anyone else!

Edit: When I get round to getting the expert knife badge, i will fraps it and do it on a regular 16 player server, just for lynxlyran....

Last edited by AT3am_Murd0ch (2006-05-02 12:18:02)

2006-05-02 12:20:38
Torin
Member
+52|7173
Funny, as soon as I post saying that someone admitting to having stat padded last night, and detailing his experience, should have his stats reset.... someone drops me -1 karma. Nice. Good to know we have such a standup community here.

Well, I only had 1 karma anyways, but still!

Edit And just in case anyone is curious, this is the reason given: "Quit being such a bitch about people needing their stats reset and worry about yourself! "

And yes, what comes around, goes around, thankfully.

Last edited by Torin (2006-05-02 12:39:13)

2006-05-02 12:35:45
=NAA=Slyfox
Member
+3|7127

Torin wrote:

No, in fact, I think you should have your stats reset for stat padding.
...And the funny thing is, what I posted is totally legal under the ROE. If you were on a Ranked 64 player server with 64 people, and everyone but you pulled out thier knives, then according to your logic, all 63 would have to be reset for "stat padding". Yep, give this guy a college degree, I believe he's got this whole thing logically down. Lets have a stat reset for anyone even caught using thier Knife of Pistol during a game!

LOL.

 

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