so what's the end game here?
Deathadder.
Deathadder requires some ez customization if you want to play for more than 5 minutes at a time (putting something on the shiny sides that get really slippery). Also it is a bit too heavy in my opinion. Otherwise it's good.
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Hmm, my fingers don't slip at all. I agree about it being a bit heavy, though.
Get a wired mouse. They're so much bet--oh.Finray wrote:
-Wireless (shut up)
Obviously poor finray still hasn't gotten a straight answer without getting fuckwadded by the cries of the wired, even though they are right, since I still don't see a wireless MX518 on the market. It's inarguable, that mouse is perfect, you cannot get anything better even with these fancy 5600 dpi jesus beasts, but IF YOU INSIST on wireless..
So, uh, some things to consider.
1. Grip style: Palm or claw.
2. Judging by the last paragraph, you want on the fly DPI adjustment.
3. Assuming a large hand.
4. You seem to be on a budget.
and
5. Large, hard surface mouse mat.
So, a large, wireless, ergonomic mouse with at least 7 buttons for a reasonable price? Well good luck with that.
I'll give wireless mice the benefit of a doubt with connection stability, but the main gripe people still have with wireless mice is the response time, latency. That's because it takes a lot more resources to poll the mouse at the same rates a wired mouse does easily. The benchmark for polling with wired mice today is 1000hz, or a 1ms response time. Most wireless mice only operate at 125hz, or 8ms, and bringing this mark up always means emptying your pockets. The difference may not seem like much, and people often think it's mostly company propaganda, but I noticed the difference very quickly once I got my first 1000hz mouse. The two wireless mice i know off my head with 1000hz polling rates are the Razer Mamba and the Saitek RAT 9, both of them proud displayers of triple digit price tags; they just might be the only ones too. In other words, unless you want to be handicapped when you game, you're either going to shell out the big bucks for a top of the line wireless mouse, or kick the wireless elitism and get a cord.
I can almost assure you that the experience of 'freedom' with a wireless mouse is purely placebo, i've tried them all and I can't tell any difference when just sitting at the computer desk. That's why the Mamba's option to go from wired to wireless quickly and hopefully seamlessly would be useful here. Just plug the cord into the mouse, operate it as normal, and I can almost guarantee you won't notice you're playing wired.
Ergonomics: I held a deathadder in my hand, it is definitely comfortable, and having the same body shape and size of the Mamba it makes a decent analogue. However, moving it off the pad to reposition is became a pain, because there is no leverage in the design, and since I hold my mouse lightly in a palm grip, it would always shift in my hand when lifting. There is also no lip of material to rest your thumb on; more fatigue as you need to constantly hold onto the mouse. Of course, logitech fixed this problem a long time ago, as the body shape of their MX and G series mice offer both a thumb rest, and protruding edges on the thumb and pinkie rest that hold the mouse steady when it's not placed on a mat, without sacrificing any comfort. Razer finally clued in when they released the Imperator, which is what I currently use.
On the fly DPI: This would solve your sensitivity issues instantly. Pretty standard, almost every gaming mouse has software bundled that will do this for you, or hardware DPI changing built into the mouse itself, and all mice have 3-5 DPI levels. If it's not designed for gaming, it probably won't. The only problem is that the lower end mice only have 5 buttons, leaving the user with 1 of 2 choices.
A: No DPI switching.
B: No thumb commands.
For special mention, the Saitek RAT 7 and 9 have a nice big red thumb button on them, and pressing it automatically reduces the DPI until it's pressed again/released (can't remember).
If you insist on wireless, I can really only recommend these mice if you want to get the performance you're asking. If you want to try wired, there is so much choice it'd be better off going to the store and ogling. Remember, 1000hz or bust.
Razer Mamba
Saitek R.A.T. 9
Microsoft Sidewinder x8 (500hz but still better than 125)
As for hard mats, you can find them anywhere, but if you want them large it's basically Razer or [insert local company here].
So, uh, some things to consider.
1. Grip style: Palm or claw.
2. Judging by the last paragraph, you want on the fly DPI adjustment.
3. Assuming a large hand.
4. You seem to be on a budget.
and
5. Large, hard surface mouse mat.
So, a large, wireless, ergonomic mouse with at least 7 buttons for a reasonable price? Well good luck with that.
I'll give wireless mice the benefit of a doubt with connection stability, but the main gripe people still have with wireless mice is the response time, latency. That's because it takes a lot more resources to poll the mouse at the same rates a wired mouse does easily. The benchmark for polling with wired mice today is 1000hz, or a 1ms response time. Most wireless mice only operate at 125hz, or 8ms, and bringing this mark up always means emptying your pockets. The difference may not seem like much, and people often think it's mostly company propaganda, but I noticed the difference very quickly once I got my first 1000hz mouse. The two wireless mice i know off my head with 1000hz polling rates are the Razer Mamba and the Saitek RAT 9, both of them proud displayers of triple digit price tags; they just might be the only ones too. In other words, unless you want to be handicapped when you game, you're either going to shell out the big bucks for a top of the line wireless mouse, or kick the wireless elitism and get a cord.
I can almost assure you that the experience of 'freedom' with a wireless mouse is purely placebo, i've tried them all and I can't tell any difference when just sitting at the computer desk. That's why the Mamba's option to go from wired to wireless quickly and hopefully seamlessly would be useful here. Just plug the cord into the mouse, operate it as normal, and I can almost guarantee you won't notice you're playing wired.
Ergonomics: I held a deathadder in my hand, it is definitely comfortable, and having the same body shape and size of the Mamba it makes a decent analogue. However, moving it off the pad to reposition is became a pain, because there is no leverage in the design, and since I hold my mouse lightly in a palm grip, it would always shift in my hand when lifting. There is also no lip of material to rest your thumb on; more fatigue as you need to constantly hold onto the mouse. Of course, logitech fixed this problem a long time ago, as the body shape of their MX and G series mice offer both a thumb rest, and protruding edges on the thumb and pinkie rest that hold the mouse steady when it's not placed on a mat, without sacrificing any comfort. Razer finally clued in when they released the Imperator, which is what I currently use.
On the fly DPI: This would solve your sensitivity issues instantly. Pretty standard, almost every gaming mouse has software bundled that will do this for you, or hardware DPI changing built into the mouse itself, and all mice have 3-5 DPI levels. If it's not designed for gaming, it probably won't. The only problem is that the lower end mice only have 5 buttons, leaving the user with 1 of 2 choices.
A: No DPI switching.
B: No thumb commands.
For special mention, the Saitek RAT 7 and 9 have a nice big red thumb button on them, and pressing it automatically reduces the DPI until it's pressed again/released (can't remember).
If you insist on wireless, I can really only recommend these mice if you want to get the performance you're asking. If you want to try wired, there is so much choice it'd be better off going to the store and ogling. Remember, 1000hz or bust.
Razer Mamba
Saitek R.A.T. 9
Microsoft Sidewinder x8 (500hz but still better than 125)
As for hard mats, you can find them anywhere, but if you want them large it's basically Razer or [insert local company here].
... or S&S Steelseries, who make the best large-hard mouse surfaces. period.
got 2 for free .
got 2 for free .
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And now i know...
And getting a GI joe reference is half the battle.
And getting a GI joe reference is half the battle.
good post btw
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Uzique wrote:
good post btw
good post but there's two points I consider debatable.
First the thumb grip, I have never gotten why people like the "thumb holder" in logitech mice since I need to have my thumb really close or sliding against the mouse mat for optimal precision. I have never had thumb fatigue problems whatsoever either. I actually tested a G5 when i was getting a new mouse and dumped it because it just felt completely ridiculous and uncomfortable, thus I ended up with Deathadder. You should consider this when getting a new mouse and if possible, try a few around until you find a comfy one.
Secondly, not all mice work best on hard surface mats. You have to research the mouse you decide to get and find out what kind of mats it works best on. A general rule of thumb, from what I have gathered, is that optical mice work best on a soft cloth surface while laser mice work best on a hard surface. Again, this depends on the mouse model. This is why I got an Everglide Titan for my Deathadder.
First the thumb grip, I have never gotten why people like the "thumb holder" in logitech mice since I need to have my thumb really close or sliding against the mouse mat for optimal precision. I have never had thumb fatigue problems whatsoever either. I actually tested a G5 when i was getting a new mouse and dumped it because it just felt completely ridiculous and uncomfortable, thus I ended up with Deathadder. You should consider this when getting a new mouse and if possible, try a few around until you find a comfy one.
Secondly, not all mice work best on hard surface mats. You have to research the mouse you decide to get and find out what kind of mats it works best on. A general rule of thumb, from what I have gathered, is that optical mice work best on a soft cloth surface while laser mice work best on a hard surface. Again, this depends on the mouse model. This is why I got an Everglide Titan for my Deathadder.
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
DU the thumb-palm versus finger debate is an endless one and is user-specific: want a thumb/palm held mouse, go for logitech. want a mouse where you 'grip' and 'control' with your fingers (i.e. flat-hand), go for something like a deathadder. personally i find their mice to be tacky and low-quality and i can't get along with the design - im more of a solid logitech guy, all the way. it varies from person to person, really.
secondly, the best mouse surface should be a black-matte hard-surface: in terms of glide from the mouse and in terms of optical recognition and tracking quality. i find cloth mats to feel heavier and more of a drag, and often they get sweaty and just plain irritating. in my experience, testing out lots of surfaces, the S&S Steelpad is the all-round best. the only disadvantage of it is that it's fucking expensive: but the material, the size, the glide and the overall performance are like nothing else.
secondly, the best mouse surface should be a black-matte hard-surface: in terms of glide from the mouse and in terms of optical recognition and tracking quality. i find cloth mats to feel heavier and more of a drag, and often they get sweaty and just plain irritating. in my experience, testing out lots of surfaces, the S&S Steelpad is the all-round best. the only disadvantage of it is that it's fucking expensive: but the material, the size, the glide and the overall performance are like nothing else.
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rechargeable batteries tbh.Uzique wrote:
who wants a mouse slowing or batteries dying half-way through a gaming session? who even wants that hassle? or the expense?
OT: I love my sidewinder X8, it is rechargeable on-the-run, but sadly it's brick-shaped. You should try it though.
I agree with DU on the mousemat thing, too.
I have a Goliathus clothmat and I prefer it much better to any hard-surface mat I've tried. I bought it at i37 after trying out a few and it definitely felt the best. Gives a lot of accuracy and response.
I also agree in that it varies for every mouse.
I have a Goliathus clothmat and I prefer it much better to any hard-surface mat I've tried. I bought it at i37 after trying out a few and it definitely felt the best. Gives a lot of accuracy and response.
I also agree in that it varies for every mouse.
Logitech Performance Mouse MX
or
Logitech Mx Revolution : This one i loved it with all my heart. So comfy, precise and loved the hyper scrolling feature, till it dropped, hit the floor and broke.
For gaming i would say the G9, very comfortable eventhough it looks a bit squarish.
I liked the Microsoft Sidewinder to but my hand started to hurt after a bit, i guess that varies by the shape of the invidual hands.
or
Logitech Mx Revolution : This one i loved it with all my heart. So comfy, precise and loved the hyper scrolling feature, till it dropped, hit the floor and broke.
For gaming i would say the G9, very comfortable eventhough it looks a bit squarish.
I liked the Microsoft Sidewinder to but my hand started to hurt after a bit, i guess that varies by the shape of the invidual hands.
Last edited by aerodynamic (2010-07-10 15:17:06)
I'm guessing you have an optical mouse, because the day after I got the Imperator I went out and bought a hard mat because I was making Michael J. Fox impressions on the screen.FFLink wrote:
I agree with DU on the mousemat thing, too.
I have a Goliathus clothmat and I prefer it much better to any hard-surface mat I've tried. I bought it at i37 after trying out a few and it definitely felt the best. Gives a lot of accuracy and response.
I also agree in that it varies for every mouse.
i don't know, your grammer seems fine to me.N00bkilla55404 wrote:
because I was making Michael J. Fox impressions on the screen.
My hard mat is like sandpaper, where can I get new stick-on mouse feet?
Fuck Israel
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=138848Dilbert_X wrote:
My hard mat is like sandpaper, where can I get new stick-on mouse feet?
1. Buy a big square of teflon.
2. Cut to fit the pad spots.
3. Superglue.
2. Cut to fit the pad spots.
3. Superglue.
Teflon is pretty hard to stick.
Fuck Israel
What kind of mouse do you have?
Standard Dell Wireless.
Has teeny lozenge shaped feet which have all fallen off, and the supports are no wearing away.
Is that what we call a 'palm shape' mouse?
Has teeny lozenge shaped feet which have all fallen off, and the supports are no wearing away.
Is that what we call a 'palm shape' mouse?
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-07-10 21:22:52)
Fuck Israel
I call it crap.
lol